Youth arrested in assault, carjacking of woman

You all need to get a life in Y-town

Should have shot them like the animals they are, they didnt think twice about assulting the lady or trying to put her in her in her trunk to probably kill her. Now some public defender will get ahold of them and we will have to hear about how they have no father , they were abused, no education, they moms a crack head etc etc.. I am tired of excuses for these low lifes actions , we all pay for it in some way or another , besides he resisted and had his hand on a gun I am sure we all know what his intentions were if he was capable,

Thank you, YPD.
You put your lives on the line with regularity and when a case like this comes up, your training still kicks in and this punk gets another chance to change his life and hopefully pay some well deserved consequenses.

The result of his actions would be read about in the obit's in many other venues.

Armed robbery, felonious assult, attempted kidnapping of an elderly woman, fleeing and eluding, resisting arrest and failure to comply all seem to indicate that he should be treated and tried as an adult. Put him in county lock-up with the big boys.

This was not spraying grafitti or shoplifting a candybar. He likes to beat up old women, carry a gun and ignore police. If that makes him such a "BIG MAN", then treat him as such.

"“Have a nice day,” a robber yelled from the car, according to the victim and her neighbor."

A thief and a smart-a$$. I hope the judge tells him "Have a nice day, every day" when the judge sentences the idiot to a life sentence.

Of course, our "anti-judicial" system will probably sentence him as a teen (boo hoo baby) and he'll get out to hurt someone else.

Only "17" and already a gun toting, mother-beating felon. These idiots have no respect for women, the elderly, the law, or the police. They should be locked up for life. Society does not need them. They are the scum bags of the earth!

Only "17" and are illegally carrying guns. What do they intend to do with a gun? It is not for target shooting. They have commited a crime with a gun, which our laws require harsh penalties. Lets see how the judge handles this one!

I understand that the Pakistani's recently cut off the arms and feet of 4 thieves. What would they do to this kid?

What should we do?

This utter disregard for human life and lack of respect for authority needs to be handled harshly and swiftly.

Thank you YPD for another job half done.....I'm sure the little brat will expose his partner in crime in time....Go get em' boys!.......Thank you Vindy for the update as this issue has upset an entire community.....These young men are off to a very bad start and need to be stopped NOW!

"Her son is a cop"

Do you think that they care? This doesn't make her immune from anything that they desire to do to her. During Mayor Jay Williams term probations have been doled out en masse. The year 2010 will be upon us in a few months and we are living in the utopia of Youngstown.

These thugs need incarcerated and or forced to do community service. Summer at the waste water treatment plant would be a fine place to put them. Youngstown is a breeding ground for crime. Jay sez ,"ITS ALL GOOD".

JAY HAS A PLAN
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They should take these little gangster wannabes and beat the living s@#$ out of them, I'm sure the public will turn the other way...... nothing but low life punks! Such a shame.

AND Ladytaz0930 - You all need to get a life in Y-town

Once again, this HAPPENS everywhere, not just in Y-town...and I'm sure it must NOT happen in your little part of the world, where everyone has little white picket fence and everybody gets along with each other, Paradise must be nice, would you like to give us a clue where this greener on the other side place could be?
Just random picks about teenagers shooting and doing crime that I found around the States, this was done in a few minutes...can imagine if I really researched it......what I would find...

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/cri...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/article...

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index....

http://www.sacbee.com/ourregion/story...

Lifes2Short, FYI I grew up on the south side of Y-town it does happen in Calif where I now reside but nobody out here is as ghetto as some of the one's that make negative remarks about people that you don't even know. We have real laws not jokes for laws or paying off the police to slide by.

I really would like to see Y-town cleaned up but it will never happen while you have fake laws around. You see out here your third felony your ass gets 25 to life Y-town try to match that and the city would probably be a ghost town.

Our police responds unlike Y-town police they will come if they feel like it or they might even be out there committing crime themselves as I recall there was a lot of crocked cops when I was residing there.

Ladytaz0930,

WHEN is the last time YOU vacationed in
Y-Town?
Also, would be very interesting to know what part of CALI you reside in.

There are "Ghetto People" everywhere.

Our Motto: "Kill 'Em All and Let God Sort Them Out".

Once again, only a quick search on Corrupt California Police Officers, and only glanced at these in a few minutes........

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0...

http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/04...

LOS ANGELES (CN) - The Maywood Police Department hired cops with criminal records and its officers committed "gross misconduct and widespread abuse," the California Attorney General's Office said after a 16-month investigation. Attorney General Jerry Brown released a 30-page report that found the Maywood Police routinely used excessive force, lacked probable cause for arrests, and operated with almost no oversight.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/sh...

TIJUANA, Mexico, Dec. 1 A wave of violent carjackings and other assaults is impacting tourism in Baja California as a new administration there cracks down on corrupt police officers.

Officials said nearly seven major assaults occurred along highways, surf destinations and major recreational fishing resorts, some lasting more than an hour and netting nearly $10,000 worth of bounty, the Los Angeles Times reported Saturday.

And ghetto in California .... these answers are from California residents...last answer was the best...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...

And as far as the negative remarks, they weren't negative? They were MY opinion on people (not you, in general), who think that everywhere else is better then Y-town, well Y-town is not the greatest place in the world, far from it, I'm only saying that it happens everywhere, look at the news, look at the newspapers, etc.... it's everywhere, I lived in San Diego, Tampa, Clearwater, have friends all over the states, and I use to call back here and say how great it was where i was living, but in reality it wasn't. So don't think I said anything negative about YOU, just people in general. God Bless You.

These punks must not have a curfew. Or Y.P.D. doesn't enforce this law. What ever the case they the (punks) should'nt have been out that late. I'm glad Y.P.D. caught one of them. What a shame ! I hope the lady is recovering okay and has support from family and friends.

Yes Ladytaz, Cali. is a shining example of what we should strive to be in Ohio. Get real.
Timothy, they try to enforce it but the fact is that there are way too many of these thugs running around and too few police. If you want to see things get better we would need about 500 more police officers in Y-town and it's surround area, plus a nice shiny new jail so these guys don't get released the same day they are caught. If our dear Presidend and the government want to create jobs and shape things up, hire construction companies to build jails, hire staff to man them, and then start locking these fools away for life! Jobs right there! But nobody wants to face facts.

MILL CREEK IS THE ONLY NICE THING LEFT IN YOUNGSTOWN AND ITS STILL NOT SAFE TO BE IN AFTER DARK . WE NEED MARSHAL LAW HERE TO HELP THESE BRAVE POLICE FIGHT THESE SCUM BAG GANGSTERS WHO TOOK OVER OUR CITY..... WHY SHOULD WE CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THESE ANIMALS ,THEY DONT HAVE RESPECT FOR OTHERS, WHY SHOULD WE RESPECT THEM? WE NEED A SEPERATE PRISON FOR VIOLENT IDIOTS LIKE THESE WITH NO TV,CARD GAMES, JUST PRISON .ONCE YOU DISREGARD THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS YOU SHOULD LOSE YOUR RIGHTS!

The person that said this women was the mother of a ypd cop is right. A sargeant to be exact. My husband is one of the cops listed in the news article about this incident. The mother of this boy wants to sue my husband, the other officer, and the city for excessive force on a minor. Yet in the article she justifys why her seventeen year old son is carrying a fire arm. She claims he did not know the car was stolen. Please, he would not have got out and ran if he did not know what was going on. When some one is running from the police and getting ready to pull a gun on them i say great job for useing excessive force. The mother may not care what happens to her son ,but my kids and i would like to have my husband home safely after a hard nights work. I am very anxious to see what the judge does to this boy. What has this town come to. We have mothers shooting 10 year old girls and getting out on bonds. There should have been no bond on that. And some citizens wonder why newly hired police officers would not want to come work in this city for ten bucks an hour. And because of that my husband is in danger of getting laid off. Somthing has to change!

Copswife,
If that lawsuit by that sick excuse of a woman that spawned an evil hoolum even sees the light of day, I will have lost all faith in what system is left. She needs to be jailed too for contributing to this crime. I love these people who defend their little thugs and then try to sue when they run in to the police.

COPSWIFE,

God Bless You, your husband and your families.
Alot of people do NOT understand that it is NOT only the Officer; but his or her families that are affected.

You are in our thoughts.

What does Jay Williams have to do with probations being handed out? He's the mayor, not a judge. Just one more incompetent comment from our expert Stan...

Why Eric, you must be the PR man for Jay. The last I checked the Mayor was the leader of our city. He sets the agenda.

Crime is out of control in Youngstown and the criminals have control of the streets. Welcome to the Utopia of Younstown 2010 !

JAY HAS A PLAN !
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No respect for the elderly... I hope the lady is doing OK now..
Sad that young men want to ruin there lives...living that way...I hope they can turn there lives around...

As the article reads "one of the men hit her on the head" Coward is more like it. Police should have done more than give him a little cut over the eye. Sounds like a Career Criminal in the making right ?? This type of thing is going on everywhere

Take these worthless fleshpiles out in the street and gather their friends and family around and have them shot dead. If we had punishments like that then these types of crimes wouldn't happen. Period.

I am so glad that everyone that has posted is finally agreeing on somthing in this town... If only more people could come together like this maybe alittle bit of change could happen. For the person that was wondering how the victim is doing. She is better Thank God, scared but not scared enough to move. She has lived there a very long time and will not be shoved out by crime and thugs. And i say"Good for her".We all need to fight back and show these thugs they are the ones that will live in fear. The sad thing is these thugs are so young.

Stan, I am not a PR man for Jay. What I am is intelligent, reasonable, and clear thinking. And I know that the mayor does not have control over everything that goes on in a city. You said "During Mayor Jay Williams term probations have been doled out en masse." Of course, you didn't cite any sources to support this statement. But, let's assume it is true. What possible control does Jay Williams have over the judges who determine punishments that are given to arrested and convicted criminals?

copswife: Very nice comments, straight forward and down to facts. Wishing the best for you and your husband. And praying for the lady in this stupid crime.
Crime in Youngstown, yes Stan it's running rampart, but like I said it's everywhere, from Maine to California, read the papers and news, and as far as Mayor Jay, he has nothing to do with the legal system, and the judges are in a bind because of overcrowding in the system, and again, all over the country there is overcrowding, not just Y-town, thus the probation. Instead of always putting down Y-town, like copswife said, why not take back Y-town and DO SOMETHING instead of sitting back and typing all day on your computer. What have you done to make Y-town a better place? Type negative things all the time? Is'nt going to change nothing. Just wish we could have the pride back from being from Youngstown. And btw, I started up a crime watch in our neighborhood and attendance every week is super!

The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord. —Job

Plenty of excuses and a lot of Koom by ya. If the mayor has no grasp on curtailing crime let's get one that does. All I have seen from the mayor has been the condemning of a grocer over the killing in a lot next to his store which the grocer had no control over . The mayor has done nothing to control these hoods . Plenty of excuses but not much action .

What I do hear plenty of is that crime is no big deal because it is happening everywhere . Perhaps we can have open house nights where the thugs can come through your open door and help themselves ? It should be started at the mayors house so that he can show us the way .

The young and not so young criminals launch from a home base and have plenty of support with no curtailment . Theft is looked upon as added income to welfare by the family . They are always looking for opportunity . Most will go through life without ever filling out an application for employment . Many are collecting SSI because they are a substance abuser and this classifies them as disabled .

What can be done ? Well, we need far more than probation . We need jobs generated for an unskilled workforce . Let the courts give them a choice of working or going to jail .Cutting down on the crime cultures idle time should be priority number one . Lots of work needs to be done to the citys' deteriorated infrastructure . Let's start there .

JAY HAS A PLAN !

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"Most will go through life without ever filling out an application for employment ."

Stan, how do you know this? I find it very difficult to believe that a person can literally go through their entire life without ever having a job.

"Many are collecting SSI because they are a substance abuser and this classifies them as disabled."

Wrong again, Stan. In contrast, "...substance abuse and alcoholism is a major obstacle to receiving disability benefits." http://www.seniormag.com/legal/substa...

Stan, you need to educate yourself. Do some basic research and maybe you will sound more credible.

Eric:
I have had reason to be in contact with the Youngstown culture. I know these facts from personal experience with the culture. When they are forced to fill out applications for employment they are not employable due to past drug charges. Most are not drug free and couldn't pass a drug test.

http://www.ndsn.org/jan95/treatmen.html

SSI BENEFITS DUE TO DRUG ADDICTION

A Nov. 1994 report prepared by the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) finds that a system to aid drug addicts and alcoholics to receive substance abuse treatment is seriously flawed (Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General, "SSI Payments to Drug Addicts and Alcoholics: Continued Dependence, Nov. 1994, OEI-09-94-00071).

The study looked at the 20,101 drug addicts and alcoholics (DA&As) receiving Supplemental Security Income (SSI) in June 1990 and matched social security numbers with database entries in Feb. 1994. For those 1990 entries without a corresponding record in 1994, SSI records were investigated to find the status of the 1990 recipients.

70 percent of those receiving payments in June 1990 were still receiving payments in Feb. 1994 due to alcoholism or drug addiction. Only one percent left the system because of medical or financial improvement. The most common reason for people to leave the SSI system was death. Over one half of those who left the system between June 1990 and Feb. 1994 did so because they died. Of the DA&As still receiving SSI funds in Feb. 1994, those people had been receiving funds an average of 7.4 years.

Stan, your information is outdated. The DA&A program was eliminated 13 years ago.

"Legislation signed into law in March 1996 ended the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program for individuals with drug addiction or alcoholism as a primary disabling condition. Beneficiaries no longer received assistance after December 31, 1996 unless they applied to the SSA for reconsideration and were found to qualify on other grounds (such as mental illness)." http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbs...

If you are going to do research, please make sure it is current.

And what are you talking about being in contact "with the Youngstown culture?" Drug addictions are everywhere. It is not just a Youngstown problem. I have lived many different places, and the problems have been everywhere. I agree with you on the need for jobs for unskilled labor. However, in the case of the two criminals in this article, I don't think access to a job would have changed anything. Even the drugs addicts I know wouldn't assault an old lady. Some people don't want to be helped. These criminals need tossed in jail for a long time.

Eric, nice post.

Yes Stan, your information is way outdated, read Recent news and updates, it's real simple nowadays.

as you quoted:
What I do hear plenty of is that crime is no big deal because it is happening everywhere .

Noone ever said crime is no big deal? Crime is a huge deal, and a very major problem, and it's getting worse and worse with the economy the way it is, but like I said, what are YOU doing about it? There are some things that the normal person can do, but noone is doing it or wants to get involved, here and all over the United States. Report suspious activites (my co-worker just brought down a crack house by reporting it), report punks hanging around in groups, start a neighborhood watch, etc. Be a productive citizen, not a "I hate everything" person. The police/fire etc departments are hurting to on this economy and the more citizens get involved the better for the whole city.

"Legislation signed into law in March 1996 ended the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program for individuals with drug addiction or alcoholism as a primary disabling condition. Beneficiaries no longer received assistance after December 31, 1996 unless they applied to the SSA for reconsideration and were found to qualify on other grounds (such as mental illness)."

SSI recipients were simply reclassified by their social worker to continue with their benefits . Years of drug use solidified their claim on benefits from the system by deteriorating their health . Psychological imbalance was at the root of their addiction and years of drug use only reinforced the problem . Addicts continue to get SSI and they continue stealing to supplement that income .

MEETING THE CRITERIA

To be considered disabled a person must have an impairment, either medical, psychological, or psychiatric in nature.

They must have a severe impairment that has lasted, or will last, twelve months.

The condition must be severe enough to significantly affect the ability to work.
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Addiction means giving up conscious control. It is impulsive, unconscious behavior. As it is said in Alcoholics (or narcotics) anonymous, addicts are people who have lost all control of their lives, as well as their substance use and abuse. These people have tried many different times to stop using these substances, for their own personal, financial, or social reasons, and yet they couldn't. They were able to stop for short periods, or curb use for longer periods, but true abstinence over an extended period of time is somewhat rare among true addictive personalities. Also, addiction is a progressive disease

Stan,
I'm a recovering alcoholic and bi-polar, I'm 246 days being sober. I've been drinking since I was 14, and I'm 45 now. I have a college degree, excellent work history and 3 children. I was living decent. But the alcoholic beat me, I lost 2 marriages, my great jobs, etc. I just got out of prison (North Coast Correctional) in March. I got out early because I had chest pains and was sent to the hospital and had 2 stents put in my heart and my heart was 90% clogged, from my drinking and eating habits. I paid the price which I deserved and Thank God everyday that I'm alive and sober. I attend AA meetings now and when I was in prison, and from everyone that I meet, noone claims SS benefits or tries to. The research your giving is beyond comprehension, your looking in the old archives and looking at isolated cases. Noone I know has every claimed SS from having a addiction, and what has that have to do with the topic at hand? Show the % of people on disability that have a addiction? Recent %, not over 10 years ago.

Lifes2Short:

Being sheltered in prison has done you a lot of good as it helped you break the cycle of addiction . It has also not allowed you to see life on the outside . I have met addicts in person and had information on their sources of income . Legal and illegal .

It is good to hear that you are recovering . If you haven't already I suggest that you get a job and leave your past behind you . This includes friends who are still addicts . Since you now desire to be mainstream it bears responsibilities . Job retention is the main one .

Stan, you are really reaching here. Basically, what I understand you are saying is that a drug addict has an underlying mental issue. So, after the reformed legislation, they are now simply getting SSI due to mental illness instead of drug addiction. But sorry Stan, I have a response to that, too. "If drug or alcohol abuse is found to be a "material" factor in your disability claim you will not be found disabled." http://www.ultimatedisabilityguide.co...

Basically, the person has to be disabled even if there was no addiction. Thus, if a person does have an addiction they can still receive SSI, but they are not receiving SSI because of the addiction. The person would receive SSI even if the person DID NOT have an addiction. And being classified as disabled involves more than just the person being "simply reclassified by their social worker to continue with their benefits." It involves doctor's examinations and other procedures.

So Stan, is what you are saying is no person with a mental illness should be eligible to receive SSI? I'm not saying that I agree, but at least if you came out and said that it would be better than you twisting facts to somehow make a claim that the SSA is still giving benefits to addicts, despite Congressional legislation and abundant evidence to the contrary.

"Basically, what I understand you are saying is that a drug addict has an underlying mental issue."

Perhaps you could show me a drug addict that doesn't have a mental issue ? By any normal standards these people are not employable but will be wards of the state the rest of their days .

Evil behavior is increasing all over...

Stan, I know many people who are addicted to drugs and maintain full-time employment. And if unemployed, these people are NOT wards of the state. Many times they resort to living on the street, committing crimes, and prostitution. Unless, of course, you consider "wards of the state" as being in jail. But these people DO NOT qualify for SSI benefits based just on substance abuse issues.

The terms of employment in many positions requires drug testing. An addict maintaining full time employment for years is as rare as reptile fur. In short order the system processes them and they are either put on probation or incarcerated. If they follow the rules and apply for benefits at the welfare office their careers will not be infringed upon by employment.

When I got out of prison, I applied for benefits at Welfare and I'm still waiting (4 months). I recently been blessed with a job so I'm not pursuing it, but I had a really hard time applying for benefits. I can't see someone who''s a addict getting it so easily. The majority of addicts don't want to give out personal information on themselves so getting benefits would be useless. It's the majority of crack head mothers that have 5-8 children from 5-8 fathers, who have the addiction and benefits that are abusing the system. The others go out and rob and steal instead of going for benefits, thus the crime everywhere.