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Youngstown Pride sponsors first street fair downtown



Published: Sun, June 7, 2009 @ 12:06 a.m.

By Jeanne Starmack

It was a beautiful day for a street festival, and organizers were pleased with the turnout.

You probably won’t see anything like it on “Project Runway” — Maxine Factor’s bubble-wrap minidress, that is.

“I lost 40 pounds today,” Factor insisted, because of the tight-waisted duct-tape belt that held the dress together. It looked to be about eight inches wide.

Factor, who was at Pride Youngstown’s first street festival on Phelps Street downtown Saturday, never wobbled once on his four-inch black velvet heels.

Impressive. But not as impressive as his legs, which went up, up, up to the flouncy little bubble skirt. Black fishnet stockings adorned them, which aren’t really supposed to be worn during the afternoon, but you could forgive his faux pas.

He was at the festival for a good cause — to promote the Oakland Center for the Arts’ “Freakshow,” a fundraiser for the center Saturday night that featured “singing, dancing, comedy, and the spoken word,” according to its promotional leaflet.

Factor, who volunteers for the center and does a standup comedy act, would be performing in “Freakshow.” Because the center has supported Pride Youngstown, an organization that supports gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, the organization was reciprocating by giving the Oakland a venue to promote its fundraiser, said Brooke Slanina, president of the center’s board.

Factor, who had donned his dress and heels in the morning, arriving at the festival at 10 a.m., expected to be in them until sometime after midnight. He would be appearing in the show in them, and he would be attending a vigil at midnight at the courthouse to listen to speeches against hate crimes, he said.

So though he wasn’t the only drag queen at the festival, he could maybe get credit for being the one with the most stamina.

He was also the only one who was bald, with a sparkling patch of glitter on his head that matched the luminous makeup around and behind his long, spider-leg eyelashes.

He and Slanina waited while a few fans popped some of his bubbles, then they wandered off to find something to eat from the food vendors who lined the street.

At the other end of Phelps, a stage was set up. About 100 people milled around, visiting vendors or listening to the entertainment lineup.

At a booth that sold tie-dyed clothes, Brian Wilson of New Castle took time out to reminisce about his days on the road as a Dead Head, when he and his wife, Leann, followed the Grateful Dead until Jerry Garcia’s death in 1995. He had been one of the first vendors to sign on to be in Pride Youngstown’s festival, he said — friends of his wife had told her about it.

He has a day job as a computer-support technician at a bank, he said, but he likes to sell the tie-dye the couple creates on weekends — mostly at music festivals. They take their 15- and 9-year-old sons with them, he said — it’s a business that’s more for fun than profit and a good way to get back a little bit of the life on the road that he loved, he said.

On the stage, Youngstown resident and former Mr. Gay Ohio Sterling Anderson was singing “You Raise Me Up.” People walked up during his performance and handed him dollar bills, which, he said later, is a way the gay community compensates performers who don’t get paid otherwise.

“I like to perform,” Anderson said, adding that he does so at other community events such as First Night Youngstown and the tree-lighting ceremony.

Five contestants vied for the title of Miss Gay Pride Youngstown. The winner was Brittany Cheers of Warren; runner up was Rubie Tuesday of Youngstown.

It was a beautiful day for the event, and co-organizers Carlos Rivera, Anita Davis and Kim Akins said they were pleased with the turnout — police estimated it at 800 people throughout the day from noon to 7 p.m.

The event was meant to counter negative stereotypes about gays and to make people aware of the gay community, said Davis.

Between 10 and 15 picketers protested when the festival opened, Akins said, and they were told that it was their right to do so.

“And we told them that ‘we have a first amendment right to picket at your church,’” Akins said, and the group soon left.

The organizers said they intend to have an even bigger festival next June that will include a parade.


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1Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"The event was meant to counter negative stereotypes about gays and to make people aware of the gay community, said Davis."

What is there to stereotype? Gay is out of the parameters of normal human behavior.

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2CleverMoniker(26 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Stan,

"Normal" is not an accurate descriptive of human behavior, though you may be referring to "cultural norms"... and those change ALL the time.

Back to the point of the article:
I wish I could've gone to it! I was stuck home with the kids and no car over the weekend or else I would've definitely been downtown for at least some of the entertainment.

I love that last comment by Kim Akins that was given to the protesters, how true! I can just imagine how offended they would be if someone were to do to them what they do to others.

I really hope they continue with this yearly.

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3Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"you may be referring to "cultural norms"... and those change ALL the time."

You may be right on the change all the time. The abnormal ones are seeking new frontiers. I can remember when the biggest excitement downtown was some one caught urinating in public. Perhaps sometime in the future the gay parade of 2009 may be overshadowed by a marriage of a human to a non human. Will this or any other abnormal behavior then be within the parameters of normal human behavior? Not a chance. The human species exists because of procreation and the abnormal doesn't begin to be in the same league.

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4CleverMoniker(26 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Really Stan? Are you worried about gay marriage because we're going to go extinct? I can see it now...."Golly Gee, ONLY nearing 7 Billion humans?! Uh oh! Must be dem gays!"

And seriously, how are you gonna compare the union of people to animals with gay marriage?
That (incredibly weak, and illogical) argument is so OLD. Just keep spouting your bigoted nonsense, yeah, I'm sure someone is listening...*laughable.*

I also highly doubt that YOU are any kind of authority on human behavior, besides your own.
Anthropologically speaking, homosexual behavior is as old as civilization and more likely as old as the human species.

You know what I think it really is?
Fear.
It's okay Stan, you don't have to be afraid. Society changes, it moves on, it progresses. Sometimes it backslides too, and that CAN be scary, huh?
I think the fact that my generation is/will be taking over is rather frightening for some of the baby-boomer crowd(I'm 27, fyi.) We're VERY tolerant of things we see as really...non-important.
Two people who love each other, live together, raise a family together? Great.
They're of the same gender you say? And I say "why do you bring that up?", in earnest.
It just doesn't matter to us as much as it did to the previous generation.

Lemme just say, I'm not even sure why you brought up any marriage issue since the article and the point of the festival were about tolerance of the lifestyle "in general"...but that is what you fear, isn't it? Tolerance. That's a sad thing, Stan.

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5northsideperson(365 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

I was pleased to see three churches from the valley that were supportive of the celebration - First Federated in North Jackson, All Saints in Cortland, and the Unitarian Church on Elm St in Youngstown.

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6Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

CleverMoniker:

Fear? Naw! I am rock solid in my beliefs. In our discussion of normal human behavior you bring up gay marriage. Part of my post which I will refer to is below.

"Perhaps sometime in the future the gay parade of 2009 may be overshadowed by a marriage of a human to a non human."

Now I was saying that the natural progression of events for the abnormals would be to arrange a marriage to a non human to further their fullfillment of the extreme.

Since you brought up tolerance lets dwell on that supject. Gays don't tolerate the rules of mainstream Christianity.

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7Dontbejudgemental(3 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Pride was awesome! I was called a queer on the way in, funny enough I am not "queer". It just goes to show how judgmental people can be without even knowing someone. I think people need to just give it up, you can protest all you want that being gay is is gross or what have you but that will not change what is. LOVE IS LOVE!

I would not tell a straight person who to love nor do I have the right to.

Funny how you don't see gay people going around calling straight people "freaks" or "abnormal"... Geee wonder why that is?

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8DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"He was also the only one who was bald, with a sparkling patch of glitter on his head that matched the luminous makeup around and behind his long, spider-leg eyelashes."

"Factor, who had donned his dress and heels in the morning, arriving at the festival at 10 a.m., expected to be in them until sometime after midnight."

Obviously these instances would go far to counter the negative stereotypes about he gay community. Depicting gays as family oriented, hard-working, honest people would never work. It was better that they dress like freaks (by their own admission) and parade around in bubble wrap dresses.

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9Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"I would not tell a straight person who to love nor do I have the right to."

That is mighty personable of you.

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10epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Why are you guys arguing with a fundie? Why not save yourself the time and just smack yourself in the head with a hammer now? You really think a dude who claims "the gay" leads to "the bestiality" is going to give up? He's right because his invisible friend(s) said so.

Regardless, it's good to see we can have minority voices speak out. It's nice to know we have a proud and active LGBT community.

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11Dontbejudgemental(3 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

I look at it like this..

My sibling is very much a part of the gay community. To say that she is any less normal than someone else is just retarded. She's a very successful college graduate and has an awesome job in the medical field.

Just because someone is gay does not make them a freak, or "abnormal" and just because I think most of you forget, not everyone believes in Christianity and they do not have to either.

It is my personal opinion that these are the problems so many face anymore. Someone else thinking they have the right answers for how another man or woman should live. Walk a mile in another persons shoes instead of persecuting them for what you probably don't understand. Keeping a wall up and refusing to learn is only hindering your growth, not the other persons.

We are ALL different from each other in one way or another and none of us are God, whomever he/she/it is. We have no right to play that being and none of us truly know the "right" way to live, so it is probably best if we just all stfu!

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12gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

It's intresting to read all the comments from the people of the area on this issue. In keeping with that, I'll add mine too. First, the issue of God has been brought up. God calls us to love all of the people he created, not just the ones we agree with. On this , I'm hoping we can all agree. Now, while Jesus loved EVERYONE, he also pointed out thier sin whenever needed, but did that in a loving way. He also stated that he has not come to abolish the old law, but to fulfill it. Throughout the old testmanent, homosexuality has always been called a sin, an abomination, and basically a bad thing contrary to what God created us to be. Jesus, the only son of God, continued this when he stated that "Man shall leave his father and mother, and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one." Thus, the new testament also has many refrences to homosexuality being a sin. It is no more a sin than adultry, murder, lying, cheating, stealing,...and the list goes on. (Thank God that he sent someone to save us from all of our sins.) All I'm saying is that, in Jesus own words, "He without sin, let him cast the first stone". In other words, it's ok to spread the message, but not to be judgemental. It's not our job to condemn anyone. Leave that up to God.
As a Christian I am called by God to spread HIS word, not mine, and am only a messeger. Some may want to classify this as spreading hate,...but try think of it this way. You have a friend who is involved in a behavior that you know is going to do harm to him, and not good. This friend honestly believed that he's not doing anything wrong, and he thinks you hate him because you're trying to teach him that what he's doing is not good. He thinks you hate him, when in fact you have such a love for him that you must tell him the truth, no matter if it hurts him or not. All Christians, are called to have this kind of love for all people. So, if you're bothered, hurt, or angered by this message, aren't you really angry with God? And if you really truly want to know the truth, all you need to do is sincerely ask God, and he WILL let you know. Pray.

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13CleverMoniker(26 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Yeah, well the God issue only applies to people who believe in that particular God and religion.
In my religion, or rather spirituality, homosexuality is not a sin.

And if your Jesus fellow meant for the old laws to still stand and you want to bring up Leviticus, then are you going to go around just as energetically proclaiming the sin of eating shellfish?
What about the slavery approved of in those old books? How many sheckles is your wife or mother worth?

This is what I'm talking about sometimes when I rant about how some "religious" folks use the bible to support their personal agendas while ignoring the parts they don't care for.

Justify away, it's what you people always do.

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14Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"it's good to see we can have minority voices speak out."

More like the tail trying to wag the dog.

The goal of the gays over the years has been to legitimize their behavior. Nothing is off the board in that lifestyle of degrading human behavior.

"Factor, who volunteers for the center and does a standup comedy act, would be performing in “Freakshow.”

Factor who is a bonafide member of the homosexual society perpetuates the image.

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15epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

If you want to discuss a freak show of human behavior look no further than the Irish catholic church my good man. Christians, as with anyone, should mind the affairs of their own flock before trying to step righteously into the bedrooms of others.

(hits self in head with hammer)

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16JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

My compliments, epicfail.

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17Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

No need to view your bedroom epicfail, as your flock was gracious enough to show us the image at your festival on Phelps Street downtown Saturday.

A few members of the Christian flock go astray on occasion but to be a member of your flock one has to be astray.

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18leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

How nice it was to have so many supporters of the LGBT community over the weekend. It was really refreshing to see straight couples walking hand in hand beside gay couples who were doing the same, and not afraid to be themselves. 3 open and affirming churches as well were proof that God is love and that is his greatest commandment.

Stan will never change and who really cares. He is becoming more in the minority every day. Just love him for who he is, he will find out what God is about soon enough. This is the last lonely refuge for him, and I am glad he gets to feel a part of something than being the lonely person he probably is.

Drag queens in the gay community are performers no less than KISS or David Bowie in the str8 community. It's an act to entertain, and meant to get a reaction. I think one of the most exciting things about the Pride event Saturday was that there was so many straight allies that it really was a community event.

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19cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Stan....Don't listen to epicfail. Don't hit yourself in the head with a hammer. I don't think you need anymore head injuries but you do need to seek some help.

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20gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

From a few posts ago...about the "God" issue not applying. God is very relevant, more than you know right now, I'm afraid. The Bible is the most scrutinized, and yet most accurate historical document in all of human history. The truth will never change just because someone chooses not to believe it. Right and wrong never change with society, only opinions change. I suggest to you to not take a few verses of the Bible and use them for your argument, but rather take the entire book for it's meaning. You seem to know some of it already, I urge you to read the whole book.

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21Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

cambridge:

So did you find help at the Saturday Charade on Phelps Street? The day that they teach a monkey to do calculus will be the day that I will listen to the rantings of epicfail.

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22cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Stan the man unusual.....No I didn't make it to the festival. You know it's kind of ironic that the picture next to your username is of a guy that made his living running around in public in bright yellow panties

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23Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

I thought this piece would be about basketball for players 5'9" and under...

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24leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Gregoryfilms, you are trying to be nice, but no matter how eloquently you try to say it, you are being a homophobe. You claim you are being a friend and loving him by telling him the truth, well it amazes me that you along with most others choose the truth you wish to spread, and that's what brings the hate charge. In your own words you equate lying with homosexuality, but I dont' see signs that say God Hates Liars!

That you make films and have the ability to spread your "truth" with video is an even scarier thought. I wonder if you bring your views to your clients and only work with like minded people or if you find it necessary to point out to clients their errant ways (in a loving way of course.) Would definitely be an interesting conversation.

That you find the Bible the most historically accurate document in human history is further troubling. While the Bible is an interesting read, and I am sure is based on some fact, it is also the biggest game of telephone ever recorded, passed down from one to another and translated by another and yet another, so that it's truth is so murkily buried in the past, it is untenable. You need to read the origins of words to see what is being said in the bible. Todays meanings to the words assigned by translators mean things entirely different than in the proper context of so long ago.

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25Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

cambridge:

Well, I didn't see yellow panties but with your peception you may evision them everywhere. The Charade on Phelps showed us that bubble wrap can be used for all kinds of packaging.

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26gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

To left,
It's not my truth that I hope to spread. I have no message other than the one God has given to us all. See, I'm not coming up with anything on my own. I credit everything to God. As far as hate, the only person God hates is Satan. God does hate lying, but not the liar. as Jesus says in Matthew 5:37 "But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one." In other words, Lying comes from the devil, who is real and alive on this earth. He is the one who has lied to you on so many levels that you want to reject the truth of God.

Here's another truth, ...sin will always be sin, no matter what society says. I am a sinner, you are, we all are. Don't believe the lies that Satan has led you to believe.

I'm sorry if some Christians may have used the "in your face" style of talking to you, maybe even the bad "turn or burn" way of preaching. Christians have done some horrible things in the past, some continue to do them now. This just goes to prove that no one, no human being ever born, except Jesus, has ever led a sin-free life. We ALL need God, we all need salvation, or we face hell when our life ends.

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27gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Further.....a homophobe is one that has fear of homosexuals. This is not me, I don't fear, I have a sincere desire that they would find the truth of thier chosen lifestyle.

I do fear that the God given institute of marriage will be twisted to mean something that it was never intended to be.

I won't put words in your mouth, don't put any in mine. I do not hate you, I am not spreading hate. I am called to love all of God's created people, that means you too. God loves you. He loves you so much that he sent his son to die for you. I pray you will accept this and believe it before it's too late for you.
One final thought, then I'm done here.....I am supposed to tolerate you and your lifestyle, and yet you cannot tolerate my views, and instead insist that i am spreading hate? Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind. Rather than me pushing my views on you, aren't you pushing your views on me, and trying to change the country that was based on the bible?
I guess I feel it's time for Christian people to stand up to the lies of the devil here in the USA. After all, the only thing necessarry for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. (oh, I NEVER called you evil, just the lies that Satan has caused so many to believe.) You are in my prayers.

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28epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Gents,

Homophobia is the fear, *aversion* or *contempt* of homosexuals or those perceived to be. No one is calling you little girls afraid of drag queens in bubble wrap. We are calling you intolerant demagogues responsible for fostering the stereotype that most Christians bear no resemblance to their namesake. If the original apostles had your people skills we'd all be worshiping Zeus still.

For the record, going on a story about a gay pride rally/parade/whatever and telling the community they are deviants who will pave the way to bestiality is wrong. That's a little rougher than your typical "turn or burn" Kirk Cameron spiel. It's spiteful venom which does nothing but attack a person's spirit and sense of self-worth. All you accomplished was the usual furthering of negative stereotypes about people of faith and remind an already marginalized group they still have a long way to go.

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29Dontbejudgemental(3 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

I love when a christian says that they are not trying to push their beliefs on you, but basically insist that Christ is the right way to believe and they will pray for you, etc.

I am a big girl, and make my own choices. I do not believe in hell, but I do believe in a God whom does not punish or condemn people for being who they are. The only kind of God I am interested in is one who accepts the consequences of his/her own actions. IE: Creating Life = Man = crazy/good/bad/gay/straight/transsexual/eccentric/lazy etc.

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30Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Deviant subculture? You bet ! Homosexuality is a subculture where anything goes. So why try to make society think that it is the new mainstream?

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31cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Stan the Man Unusual....Tell me what should we do with the gays? They have obviously been around for ever. What is it that they have done to you that makes you hate them so much and what should be done with them?

What gives you the moral authority to second guess God's creation? Do the voices in your head ever stop screaming? I picture you sitting there in the dark with a 40 ounce in one hand, a bag of Doritos in the other and a nine millimeter in your lap. Get some help before it's to late.

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32Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Why can't we ALL just get ALONG!
On the bright side, it was a peaceful gathering, no arrests, no fights,no police involvement, etc.....

Bottom Line
To Each There Own.....

We All Should Just Live In Peace, and the World will be such a better place.

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33Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

cambridge:

"Tell me what should we do with the gays?"

Wrap them in bubble wrap ! There should be a rally every day on Phelps for them !

You really need to get some help Cambridge. I picture "YOU" sitting there in the dark with a 40 ounce in one hand, a bag of Doritos in the other and a nine millimeter in your lap. But at least it makes you feel secure. Right?

I like most Christians have love in my heart for the gays but not for the perversion that they practice. Their logic is in the same league as pounding a square peg in a round hole ! Adam and Eve got it right from the beginning.

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34gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

so, there's something wrong with eating a bag of Doritos????

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35omgmydaughtersgay(5 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

wow ... looks like Youngstown Pride was a huge success by looking at everyones' comments! My daughter was there and alot of her friends were also.She said it was great! About the comments about christianity,gay people also believe in God,and since He loves ALL of us,that puts them right up there with the "normal" people! We are taught to love one another...I have to say that my daughters' friends are the most caring,kind,loving,respectful people I have met in a long time! Guess what... they go to church,they have jobs,they attend college,they have families,they have tons of friends and not all of them are gay,they live as normal lives as the rest of us.And they don't tell "normal" people that they are living wrong so why should people tell THEM that?? I hope the celebration will be bigger and better next year,and hope I can attend! And if the bubble wrap helped lose weight...I'll be the big fat straight lady covered in bubble wrap at next years event!!

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36Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"they live as normal lives as the rest of us."

In your eyes I must be abnormal as I don't live the gay lifestyle. So, you then are promoting your daughters gay lifestyle?

Most gays don't view their lifestyle as normal. So why should the outside world view their lifestyle as normal?

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37gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

It seems that once again Christians are being acused of being biased, prejudiced, and hateful. Christians did not create morality, nor do we make the rules about what is moral and what is not. All Christians do is pass along the message, and my message comes from the Bible, the only word of God. If anything of what I or any christian says is not in the Bible, then please don't believe that person. If this message really offends you, then isn't your issue with God, and maybe your guilty conscience? When you CHOOSE this lifestyle, and CHOOSE to believe all the lies about it, then you also CHOOSE to go against the word of God. No one is "born" gay, God would never create someone to be something that he clearly states is an abomination.

I do, however, look forward to the festival next year, I'll see you there. Maybe i will also have a booth there. that is unless you discriminate....

About gay people believeing in God: The Devil also believes in God. (NO, I did not call gay people the devil) Saying you believe in God dosen't qualify you as a good or bad person.

Also: I do not own a gun, don't drink beer, but I do love doritos.

Stan: I'm with you on most of what you say, however remember, "Normal" is subjective to the society you live in. In some countries it's normal to kill for no reason. In some countries, it's normal for kids to be drug users and drink at any age.

I'm sure someday the morals of this nation will sink so low as to legalize gay marriage by federal mandate, just one more sign of the decline of the USA.

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38cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

You are not the messenger of God. I am. And he told me you are full of crap.

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39Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Cambridge:

So, what message do you bring us ? How do we authenticate your message ? You may be as bogus as a three dollar bill with Bill Clinton's picture.

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40cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

You're just going to have to take our word for it my son. Have faith. God is very busy and he can't keep contacting me about something that is a personal matter to the people being discussed.

He is constantly being bombarded with important prayers about other matters. "Please let Dale Jr. win" and he owes a miracle to each and everyone that sent a donation to all the televangelist out there.

So the message is, gregoryfilms is no moral authority and is full of crap.

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41Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

cambridge:

I took Bill at his word when he uttered"I did not have sex with that there woman!". Now everyone knows that he lied. To prove that you indeed do have divine insight give me the winning numbers for Fridays lottery drawing and I will believe you.

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42cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Note my second paragraph. The Big Guy is busy with much more important things.

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43omgmydaughtersgay(5 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

As a parent I support my daughter in any way I can.I love my daughter unconditionally and that would be whether she's gay or straight. She is not killing anyone,cheating on anyone,molesting anyone,etc... my daughter would never say someone was abnormal because of the choices they make.Each person is an individual capable of living their life the way they want to,and not everyone would agree/approve of certain lifestyles no matter what they would be.

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44epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

@omgmydaughtersgay

I'm shocked your username was still available :-)

(j/k of course. more power to you.)

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45Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"my daughter would never say someone was abnormal because of the choices they make."

How about the guy from Sandy Lake who had an affection for sheep. Would you support him?

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46gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Never said that I was a moral authority. I didn't come up with any moralaity on my own, I get it from the Bible. It's sad that you say the Bible is full of crap. Be careful with those kinds of statements.

To OMG....I think it's wonderful how you have unconditional love for your daughter. There are so many parents who don't show that to thier children.

To cambridge, just how did you know I was praying for a Dale Jr. win??????? (smile, already)

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47HundredReasons(31 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Stan... a suggestion... a little less time getting suckered in by charged comments regarding topics that really don't matter, and a little more time actually contributing to the productivity of society.

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48gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

@cambridge: I know "THE BIG GUY" is busy with more important things; but when YOU talk to HIM next, PLEASE ask...
Lakers or Magic? [NBA]
Detroit or Pittsburgh? [NHL]
Want to get my bets in before it's too late.
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JR. will never equal Dale Sr., BUT we can hope.
Guys, have a great day. Yes, I'm a girl, but I love guns, beer, doritos, men, Harleys & fast cars.
Plus, lots of bubble-wrap can be fun sometimes!

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49omgmydaughtersgay(5 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

The guy from Sandy Lake is not my son,or I would support him.I might not agree with his sexual preference but would still love him unconditionally.

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50gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

@omgmydaughtersgay,

Agree with you. Real LOVE is unconditional.
I didn't get "downtown" on Saturday, but some friends said they had a great time.
I know I'm not in SanFrancisco, NewYork, P-Town or KeyWest now; but there is alot more tolerance in those cities.
Have a good day.

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51gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for bringing some humor, Gypsy.

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52YtownDad(4 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

I just wanted to throw some science back into the mix. A recent study in the Netherlands looked at the area of the brain associated with sexual identity and compared the brains of transsexual males with the brains of "normal" people. Certain sections of the male brain are distinctly different from the female brain. The researchers found that the transsexual males in the study had the brain physiology of a "normal" female.

Since God is the creator of all creatures, and the transsexuals in the study clearly did not have a "normal" male sexuality, one must assume that God screwed up (which is impossible) or God created them.

Most of the gay people I've ever talked with or read about have admitted that their earliest feelings of sexual identity were those of gay men and women. Not many 8-year-olds CHOOSE to be different. Little Timmy certainly doesn't CHOOSE to like other little boys. That is simply who he is... how he was made by his Maker.

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53Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Hmmmm? How many gays would want to be disected and have the brains checked out ? So YtownDad how about those switch hitters or bisexuals as they are called? Your use of a study in the Netherlands may be flawed as the country promotes drug use and gay lifestyles. I don't believe that anyone is born gay or born with a criminal mind. The gay trait along with the criminal trait are gained by experience. Those that they come in contact with on their first sexual experience would have a direct bearing on their sexual orientation. Raise any child in a gay community and you will have a gay. Raise any child in a criminal home and you will have a criminal. In both cases you will find very few exceptions.

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54cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

The unabomber was turned in by his brother.

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552blave(24 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Christianity is neither mainstream nor based on historical fact. And as a 'moral authority' it's riddled with inconsistency and questionable edicts and violence. It has no place in a conversation about society.

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56Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"Christianity is neither mainstream nor based on historical fact."

So, now the gay movement is setting the new direction for all of mankind? If so then the animal world is surpassing us in intelligence.

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57cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

gregoryfilms.....You say you don't consider yourself a moral authority and you get you information from the Bible. You then go on to say that I said the Bible was full of crap. I never said that. I said you were full of crap. Since you take the Bible so literally, I believe the Bible states that earth was the first thing created in the universe and earth is just over six thousand years old. Scientist believe that earth is not the oldest planet in the universe and that the universe is around 14 billion years old. What do you believe?

Stan the Man Unusual.....You state the gay trait and the criminal trait are gained by experience. That people aren't wired from birth to be one way or the other. I pointed out an example. The Unabomber a murderer was turned in by his brother. Both were raised by the same parents. Dick Cheney's daughter is gay. Cher has banged half the guys in the western world, Sonny Bono died throwing himself head first into a bush and their daughter is going to have a sex change. Believe me I was born hard wired to like women (pun intended). Nothing is going to change that. Since you have more post related to homosexuality than everyone else combined and are now saying people can just change their mind and chose to be gay, I'm wondering if your not trying to talk yourself into something. You seem way to obsessed.

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58Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"Cher has banged half the guys in the western world, "

Wow! Where did you get the statistics on Cher?

You seem to be obsessed with supporting the gays. Have you already made the trip to the dark side?

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59cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Stan the Man Unusual....The point of my post was to disagree with you on if people are wired to be gay or not. I believe you are born one way or the other and it's not a choice, but your entitled to your opinion.

As to your inquiry. I wasn't even into the bicentennial. I'm as straight as could be. I can clearly remember the first time I had that lovin feeling. The first crush I ever had was when I was five years old. I was watching the "little rascals" and bam, there she was. Miss Crabtree. I was only five years old but I knew she was smokin. Been into the ladies ever since. So I hope that answers your curiosity.

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60epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

@ cambridge

"You seem to be obsessed with supporting the gays. Have you already made the trip to the dark side?"

His next words were about to be "What's it like?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXMrn4...
for those who don't follow.

@2blave

"Christianity is neither mainstream nor based on historical fact."

Bad argument. Christianity IS mainstream here in Ytown at least. And that second statement is neither true or false. There wasn't a magic zoo ark for millions of species or a deluge that carved the grand canyon but there was a king david and there was likely a historical jesus. It's fun to attack Stan because ...well he's insane... but his beliefs are not those of most christians. Most christians don't have the hate in their words that he does.

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61janeyblue(227 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

i gotta get out more !!!
NOT !!!
gays and sheep....
more nightmares on the way...

keep it to yourself...
i dont shag in front of you..
stay indoors with your doors locked as it should be !
i dont give a flying fig what ya do in your own bedroom...but i dont NEED to know !!!
dont want to know !!!

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62omgmydaughtersgay(5 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

@ epicfail...hahhahahahaa ya made my day!!

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63cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

epicfail.....Thanks for the clip. That was hilarious.

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64Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

epicfail:

Pointing out bad programming in the minds of the gays does not equate hate. Your brain has been in the dungeon far to long and is non functional.

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65epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"Pointing out bad programming in the minds of the gays does not equate hate."

I disagree. I believe that it does. You would use your arguments to justify that homosexuals should be denied certain freedoms that heterosexuals have by default. You do this with ad hominem attacks and imagined theories about the causes and results of homosexuality that have no basis in reality.

"Your brain has been in the dungeon far to long and is non functional."

Typical. As I said before, you resort to ad hominem attacks when left with nothing new to say. I only consider it snarky acquiescence on your part.

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66Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Piss poor agument Epicfail. Any real Christian Church doesn't blemish the sanctity of marriage to include homosexual relationships. Live in sin but don't expect to be blessed.

Same sex partners union is the proper terminology for two gays or lesbians setting up a domicile. There never has and never will be any offspring from such a union. Couples who are male and female are what has kept our species existing on this planet. They are the ones who can properly be involved in a "REAL" marriage and deserve the title of such as husband and wife. If you want to join the club you have to pay the dues !

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67epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

What's this about churches? Why do I care if they marry in a Unitarian church or at the courthouse? This isn't a theocracy, so it doesn't. Why should I care whether the people who want to marry are capable of having children? We don't stop infertile couples last time I checked. What same sex couple do deserve is the right to equal treatment by the state. Not government poking it's nose into their lives trying to make them moral by legislation. If you want state sponsored "morality" I'd suggest living in china.

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68Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Why not start your own religion? You could then marry anything and do anything with no limits.

THE OUTER LIMITS

http://www.trincoll.edu/~mlee2/images...

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69Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Gay Mafia.....ugh and barf
Dancing in his 4" heels......disgusting spectacles.....sounds like mini San Fransicko.....Ugh and barf....

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70epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

lol Stan, that's an awesome pic.

Have you ever seen this:

http://www.churchofstan.org/

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71Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Interesting yes but it has me thinking about selling an ebook on how to start your own gay church. If I only charged a buck for it I could reap a fortune just from Frisco alone.

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72Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

You can believe what you want to believe. You can deny that the Bible is God's word and you can make fun of it. It doesn't make the Bible any less true.You can try to forget that homosexuality is a sin, You can deny that it is wrong, but that doesnt make it right. How can you choose sexual sins over God and expect Him to be pleased with that? You can create whatever God you want to in your mnd so that you can justify your sins, but Jesus Christ is Lord. One day your eyes will be opened. One day every knee will bow and every tounge confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. That could be tomorrow. We all-homosexuals and non-homosexuals -need to realize that we will be accountable for our sins. God loves every one but He hates the sin.

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73Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Take a look at the statistics........homosexual males live many years less than straight men. Why would we promote this lifestyle to anyone? Why would we take pride in this and celebrate it in the streets? Why would we want that lifestyle for our sons and fathers and brothers? Do you think God wants that for His creation? It is scary to think that our society cares so little for one another that we promote lifestyles that shorten lives. It makes sense though, we promote a lifestyle that leads to alcoholism, we want to legalize drugs, we kill our unborn babies.....it should come as no suprise to me that homosexuality is promoted and even celebrated.

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74Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

We need to be very careful of flaunting our sins out in the streets-flaunting our sins in the face of the Creator of the Universe. We need to step carefully there. Some things are done in ignorance, but once you know the truth and blatantly continue........If we are going to have gay pride day, why don't we have an adultery day? Why not liar day? Why not celebrate stealing? These are all destructive choices that we make for ourselves that grieve a loving God. And for the mom who said that she supports her gay child, I commend you for loving your child, but you can love your child and not support their behaviors and choices that are wrong. And it is up to us as parents to guide our children in the right direction. What are you going to do when you stand before God one day and have to explain why you chose to support your daughter in something that you were told was wrong, couldve opened a Bible and seen it was wrong, and chose to go against that?

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75epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"What are you going to do when you stand before God one day and have to explain why you chose to support your daughter in something that you were told was wrong"

Problem is at the end of the day, after all that typing, all you're asking that woman to do is to reject her child's chosen life based on a single passage or two from a 3,000 year old violent religious text written by xenophobic polygamist shepherds who were divinely inspired by an invisible sky fairy.

All this rally was, was a chance for some gay folks and their straight allies to get together out in the open and let each other know they're not alone. That's it, kaputsky.

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76Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"All this rally was, was a chance for some gay folks and their straight allies to get together out in the open and let each other know they're not alone. That's it, kaputsky."

Ask any person at that parade and they will tell you it was more than just getting together and supporting one another. You can have a million people supporting a million other people in anything they want to and it doesnt mean that it is right..

I am not asking that woman, or any other parent to reject their child's chosen lifestyle SOLEY on what the Bible says, thought that is my main reason. As I said, gay men live much shorter lives than straight men. Who would want that for their kid? How can you support that destructive behavior? And that has nothing to do with Christianity.

BTW, you say, ."all you're asking that woman to do is to reject her child's chosen life based on a single passage or two "

Just how many times does God have to say something for you to believe it? Not once or twice in your case. And the Bible does talk about homosexuality in more than one or two passages in the Bible.

What it really comes down to is that people do what they want to do with little regard for others many times or the consequences of their behavior. And they will try to jusify their behavior by any means possible. That is a sad commentary on us as human beings.

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77Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

It completely blows my mind that thousands upon thousands of gay men are dying, and at a young age, because of the lifestyle that they are choosing, and you see nothing wrong with supporting a lifestyle that leads to that!? I bet you would be singing a different tune if that was your child dead NEEDLESSLY from aids from a lifestyle that you supported.

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78epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Straight people get aids too dear. Not all gay people get aids either. Aids is a bloodborn pathogen, anybody who has sex can get it from someone who already has it. Nice to know you're getting your facts straight from early 1980s pamphlets though.

Ask a gay person (unless you're afraid of catching aids) whether they chose that lifestyle or it chose them.

Also, not everyone cares what the bible says. Just as not everyone cares what the koran, quotations from chairman mao or the vedas say about how they live their own life.

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79JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

epicfail continues to raise the bar. My compliments.

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80Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

"Ask a gay person (unless you're afraid of catching aids) whether they chose that lifestyle or it chose them."

The weak minded shall wander aimlessly upon "This Earth" !

Rapists, murderers and thieves have given their souls to satan and have no control over their actions either.

PRIDE?
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f32...

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81Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Epic--are you even getting the gist of what I am saying? I know that people other than gay men get AIDS. My question is: Why would you support or promote a lifestyle that is so dangerous to gay men? Can you please answer my question? I am interested in what you have to say.

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82cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Lauriejc...It's not about supporting gay lifestyle. I don't give gay or any other lifestyle a second thought. It's about respecting everyone's right to be happy and left alone. It's not about supporting that right it's about defending it. I would defend your right to your life just as much.

As long as a person isn't hurting anyone and isn't breaking the law what they do is their business.

A previous poster, "gregoryfilms" preaches the same way you do. He takes the Bible literally the same as you seem to. I asked him a question and he failed to answer it. I'll ask you the same question. Th Bible states that earth was the first planet created in the universe and it was created about six thousand years ago. Scientist believe that earth is not the oldest plant and that the universe is about 13 billion years old. What do you believe. You can consider this a question of both your faith and your intelligence.

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83omgmydaughtersgay(5 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

This subject sure caused a stir!! There was a street fair and people had a good time,yes alot of them were gay. I didn't read or see anything about assaults,arrests,riots,people having sex...etc...it was a street fair! That's it! What people do in their own bedrooms is their own business whether they are straight or gay. If God wants to send me to hell for supporting my 1 and only daughter who I love more than life...well hand me my pitchfork now! I will support my daughter til I take my last breath!!

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84Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Cambridge:

My question still stands and it has not been answered either. Put Christianity aside. Forget I even mentioned it and look at my question again. You say, "It's about respecting everyone's right to be happy and left alone." Is that the answer you give about others who are living destructive lifestyles? What about drug addicts? Let them be happy and leave them alone, too? We need to care about one another. Live and let live just not cut it.

I've harped on this enough. I need to find a new topic.

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85Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

So until next years gay charade on Phelps when bubble wrap wear may be a nationwide sensation I'll glean the news for more gay follies.

HOMER SIMPSON CASHES IN !
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/s...

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86cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Laurieljc...."Put Christianity aside". I'd rather not. I live a Christian lifestyle by the way I treat others. I don't judge others. But the premise of your post as well as "gregoryfilms" and Stan the post before mine is to take selections of the Bible as your only justification for your point. You use it to forecast a mothers judgment day. That's not very Christian.

I've been asked to qualify statements on this board and have always tried to. I've been corrected on this board and when it's appropriate I have acknowledged the correction graciously.

I'll asked the three of you. Read my last post and answer the question. If your going to take the Bible literally you will also have to believe that Methuselah lived 969 years, Noah lived 950 years and Adam lived 930 years. Do you also believe that?

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87gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Cambridge, when you say your question is a reflection of my faith and my intelligence, I'm assuming that if I state a position that you don't agree with, you think I'm not intelligent? (smile) I didn't answer because to me, it's useless arguing about such trivial stuff. Nevertheless, you've asked again, so I'll try.
The Bible states that in seven days the universe, and all of creation, was created. I do believe God created everything, and to believe that we all evolved from some swamp gas, now THAT takes a real stretch of baseless faith. I base my faith on something much more solid. God also says in his word that to God, a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day to him. (BTW, the ancient hebrew used the word "thousand" to mean a really big ammount) So, wether I believe that it was a literal seven days, or millions of years, it dosen't matter. God created it. Period.

As far as myself, and others here, "using" the Bible for our own arguments, and taking the Bible literally, please show me where in the Bible it has any favorable opinion about homosexuality. Show me where it states that God says it's ok for a man to lie with annother man, as with a woman. If God has nothing favorable or even neutral, only unfavorable about any topic, what should we think is God's law about that topic? I'll say it again, why get mad at the messenger, when you're really mad at the one who wrote the message?

Oh, and since you brought up the drug user analagy..."What about drug addicts? Let them be happy and leave them alone, too? We need to care about one another". Please, oh please get this, if nothing else... Christians DO care about you and everyone else here. We DO care about those who are enslaved in the Gay lifestyle, who are believing the lies of the evil one. We care so much that we are compelled to give you God's message of love, of forgiveness, of salvation.
God does love you, he loves everyone. You say this to be true, and it is. God also calls sin for what it is, sin. You either believe the entire bible, or none of it. You can't just believe the parts you want to.

Yes, you do have the right to not believe. You have the right to believe any writings, or none at all. GOD gave you this right, this free will, when he created you. To do otherwise would have made us all mindless robots. You will always have the right to reject God, up until the day you die.
What you do not have the right to do is change the definition of marriage. God decided what that is to be. You do not have the right to take a lifestyle that is sin, and have society accept it as permissable. You do not have the right to bring this lie into the schools and teach our children that being homosexual is ok. No matter what the government may say.

The truth will always be ther truth, regardless of society.

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88cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

gregoryfilms....Your post made assumptions about me that are baseless. You make statements as though I made them.

You stated "You either believe the entire bible, or none of it. You can't just believe the parts you want to." Hilarious. That's exactly what you do. Your post does nothing less than reinforce my first comment in regards to your rants. You are full of crap.

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89gregoryfilms(13 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Matthew 7:6

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90cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

gregoryfilms....I just read it. I suggest you do the same.

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91Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Gays do not want rules unless they are relaxed so as not to crimp their style.

Matthew 7:6 (New International Version)

"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

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92cambridge(3013 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Stan the Man Unusual....The ( New International Version )? That's kind of the problem. Your talking about a document written centuries ago, translated, transcribed and rewritten who knows how many times. They changed their hair style so many times they don't know what they look like.

Below is a link about who might have written the Bible and the post above mine is when some idiot takes liberty with it for his own agenda.


http://www.allabouttruth.org/when-was...

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93Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

It does take an idiot not to realize that homosexuality has no value to mankind. Even the animal world isn't that idiotic.

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