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UPDATE: Austintown shooting leaves two dead, one wounded



Published: Fri, June 5, 2009 @ 2:12 p.m.

AUSTINTOWN — A shooting at a house in the 4000 block of Mahoning Avenue Thursday night has claimed another life.

Gerald Kidd, 52, died of injuries he sustained when the former boyfriend of his daughter entered the home at 4301 Mahoning Ave. and began shooting just before 10 p.m.

The shooter, Richard Forrester, 41, of Niles, also shot the man’s son, Ian Kidd, 32.

Police said Ian Kidd is in stable condition and is expected to recover.

Delee Kidd, 52, Gerald Kidd’s wife, ran to another room during the shooting and called police. She was not injured, police said.

Forrester eventually turned the gun on himself and died of a gunshot wound to the head.

Both wounded men were taken to St. Elizabeth Health Center in Youngstown.

For more on this story, see Saturday’s Vindicator or Vindy.com


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1CLEVELANDER(10 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

WHERE YOU AT STAN THE COMMENT MAN ITS AUSTINTOWN THIS TIME WHERE YOU AT STAN ????????

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2Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for pointing it out. This doesn't seem to be a robbery. The woman was in a house with two men. She escapes and the two men get shot. The shooter then kills himself. What do you make of it? I need more facts to be 100% sure of my conclusion.

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3westside(47 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Must be a crack house

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4DragonFly664(198 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Maybe I have not had enough coffee, but your commet Clevelander makes NO sense.

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5gmann415(268 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Stan, who cares what clevelander has to say. hes just a idiot. your post are gggggggrrrrrrrrrrr888888. too bad clevelander is not smart enough to read them all.

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6AustintownParent(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Not a whole lot of details yet, but according to the news the home belonged to family of the shooter's ex girlfriend. This actually happened right in my neck of the woods and it was DEFINITELY not a crack house. The family is kind as I used to babysit the son. Unfortunately from what I've just heard from my family the father has now passed away while the son is still in the hospital.

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7Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

AustintownParent:

Thanks for shedding the light.

The boyfriend was very unstable and chose to destroy himself along with those he had a hatred for. Now this girl must pickup the pieces. I wish her well and my prayers are with her. There are good people in this world and she should not lose faith.

gmann415:

Thanks for the support !

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8henryviii1509(274 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Did someone say that there is a crack house in A'town?

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9starofesther(168 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Sad to hear the news... there are many choices in this life but only two choices for your next eternal home.

My Condolences to the family.....

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10strangerinthewoods(1 comment)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

He started off in Mineral Ridge at his ex-wife and childrens home. He shot at the house and the neighbors house. He held a gun up to his daughters head but was unable to pull the trigger. He then went to his ex-girlfriends house and shot and killed the two men over there. He locked himself in the basement and when the cops came in he shot himself.

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11anonymous8593(8 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I am new to this. This story is very dear to me!! Don't believe everything you hear. I happen to be a family member of the shooter. This was a bad situation that was bound to happen sooner or later. He has had drug problems for a long time. Stealing, robberies, etc....the police could never catch up with him. For some reason they could never find him!!! My families lives were at risk here! It DID have to do with drugs. Yes, you're right! However, he snapped......he broke into my families house and went straight for his daughters room. another person came out of their room and diverted his attention. The daughter ran next door to call 911. As she ran, he shot. HE WAS GOING TO KILL HER!! He then turned the gun on another family member and didn't do it. He wanted the daughter first......He left, but not without shooting up houses and vehicles. This is a VERY good family. Law obiding citizens. Don't deserve this!! He went to the ex-girlfriends (who is in rehab) and was going after money her father-in-law owed him. If the police were doing their job, they would go after people when they are told EXACTLY where to find them. Why do they have to wait for someone to die?? Also, the house in Austintown? Watch it as well. Don't judge a book by it's cover! Someone used to babysit the shooter when he was little as well!!!! Drugs to terrible things to good people.

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12anonymous8593(8 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh yeah, I forgot to say: He had 2 children that do love him very much. This is a very sad situation for everyone on both sides of the family. Our family has never been through any violance. They just lost a father they loved and wouldn't understand why people are talking "bad" about him. Why don't you people have compassion? Quit gossipping and do something with your lives. Get your facts straight. BTW.....not her father in law, rather her father. sorry for the wrong information.......

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13Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Richard Forrester

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

RESTITUTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $139.95 W/IN 130 DAYS ORDERED BY THIS COURT I-80 ADULT VIDEO.

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
POSSSESSION OF DRUGS

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
DRUG ABUSE

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
LAW ENFORCEMENT EMBLEM DISPLAY

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
RECEIVING STOLEN PROPERTY

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
RECEIVING STOLEN PROP

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
POSSESSION OF DRUGS (FELONY)

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
ASSAULT

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
LAW ENFORCEMENT EMBLEM DISPLAY

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
DISORDERLY CONDUCT INTOXICATED/PERSISTED

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
OVI #1 (REFUSAL)

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...
DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

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14lovedone76(1 comment)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

To everyone,
It is true that Gerald's daughter had a lot of problems but all he did was try to do the best for his children. He lived for them and would do anything for his friends and family he was a wonderful man better than most of you that are posting this trash. His daughter will now have to live with the fact that this has happened.
Gerald leaves behind a tremendous amount of people that look up to respect and care for him more that some people can understand.
He leaves behind an eight year old grandson that now has to be told that the one man he has idolized in his life more than anyone is gone, that he will never be able to see pa pa again and that his father is in the hospital with multiple gunshot wounds. That 8 year old boy was almost over there at that time because he wanted to watch the basketball game with his pa pa, so I give my greatest thanks to God that he was not there.
Gerald you were one of the greatest men I have ever known, you will always be in my heart and to all of the peopl who have to put your two cents in about this story why don't you keep your ignorant minds out of it(how would you feel to have to tell an 8 year old that his pa pa is gone) and just let his loved ones cope without making it more difficult. We love you Gerry

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15anonymous8593(8 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

thank you stan! And the police kept letting him go!! THANK YOU!!! hey sweetie, I said for both the families it's very sad, but both sides are mouning! He had a 13 year old son that doesn't have a father either!! If you hung out with this man, you were on the other side of the fence as well.

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16Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

lovedone76:

I pray for all of the victims of Richard Forrester. News stories should serve as a window on what is happening. It is only in the darkness and unobserved that criminals can continue on unabated.

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17ANN4382(1 comment)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh anonymous8593, I can't believe you're defending a murderer. You're obviously as ignorant as your 'family member'. Accept the fact that he was a good-for-nothing junkie!

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18anonymous8593(8 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I am not defending a JUNKIE. Yes he was! Lots of them out there. I am telling you he has a family. Although he was a bad person, he has a family too. I'm not arguing with you over a mute point. It's a sad thing that happened. I didn't want gossip, I wanted everyone to see what really happened! He should have been in jail a long time ago. Would have saved 2 lives. Honestly, I'm glad he's gone! My family doesn't have to live in fear anymore, but when you say the grandchild doesn't have his papa, his son is out a father. Not a good father, but in his day he was a father. There are no losers. You are not a nice person to be the hater you are. Let it go, he met his maker! He will not be praised and the deserving shall see the light. You have to believe in your heart that the devil has done his deed. I am not replying to this anymore. I will not argue, I want the police and anyone else that can do something for abused families that are afraid for their lives and for the drug addicts that judges just think they can put them in rehab and their "all better". It doesn't work that way and something needs to be done!! I'll leave you with that and I pray for both families.

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19gmann415(268 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

this is a sad story and a sad time for all the family involved. this is not a time for bashing. unless you have facts.
again Stan, i am with you on this one. your comments are always filled with facts. you seem to do your homework on everything that you comment on. that there makes you a unique comment poster. too bad you couldnt be a reporter for the vindy. im sure youd go far.

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20westside(47 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

If this had occurred in the city, NONE of you would be making such compassionate posts. Hypocrites.

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21metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

This happened not to far from where I lived which is kinda scrary.

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22legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

We all have a right to voice an opinion that is why this forum is made available...but humans need to have compassion for others. I personally work for the courts and were familar with both people (I also know all the details) and theres substance abuse history. Mr. Kidd was working hard to get his daughter well becuase he loved her and had compassion. I was also familar with Rich and some of the most recent charges which were many, he was struggling with his life. I love what I do and to understand addiction and how it affects the families you must have uncondtional love for someone, but you also can't enable them. Many people are suffering this loss, speak kind words because we never know if this situation could have happened to anyone of our families. Also, we need to speak gently and not be so quick to JUDGE...

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23legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I think if people took more time to support one another and speak kindly and offer a hand much of the hate we see in the world would and could subside.

God Blesses each and everyone of us!!

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24metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

It would but alot of people can't seem to do it.

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25AXLE69(181 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Jerry was a good man who worked hard for over 32 yrs and just retired.He would help out anyone who needed it,no questions asked.He certainly didnt deserve to go out this way,shot down in his own home,defending his family.He will be missed and everyones lives that knew him will forever be altered from the second he passed away.End of story.

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26BobK(14 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Very interesting reading the dates involved in the court links someone provided. A charge would be made one day and the case is noted closed the NEXT day. maybe this is normal but something says "confidential informant" upon review. Very sad for all and may the kids and families get the help and care they will all need.

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27legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

BobK..I agree with you. Also, one of the charges was removed from one court and transferred to Sebring for "Conflict of Interest"~working in the system makes me realize that this only the second time I seen that. Curious of what that was about, but it doesnt change the devastation to the families who are a part of this tragedy.

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28gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

To STAN & GMANN415,
I agree that STAN really should be a reporter.
Seems that he is not quick to jump to conclusions and checks out the facts.
This is another terrible tragedy for BOTH families involved.

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29VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I would hate to see Stan become a reporter....he would lose his credability.

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30C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Mike88,Do you have first-hand knowledge of these things you stated in your last post? If Rich was a c.i. because of the badge on his lic.plate why was he cited for it twice? I knew him personally, he was always a good person to me. Even if he did make a living taking advantage of the weakness of others. It is sad to see that his own personal demons had brought him to doing what he did. He has ruined alot of lives by these actions, and is now paying the ultimate price. My heartfelt thoughts and prayers go out to the victims' family. And also to Richs' family. Neither had any control on Richs' tragic actions Thursday night and will forever be feeling the negative effects. May God have Mercy on his soul.

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31anonymous8593(8 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm not sure what a C.I is, but I do remember the police emblem on the plates. However, sounds to me like there is a lot of corruption in the Mahoning Valley and Richard was able to buy himself out of trouble and continue his drug sales and violance towards others. I'm very sorry for the damage he has caused.

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32C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Anonymous8563, C.I. is a confidential informant that works with the police to give them information on illegal activity.

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33metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

This guy sounds like a lose cannon.

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34gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

C.I.'s [confidential informants], USUALLY, but not always, are giving info to Law Enforcement.
This MAY be done in exchange for lesser/lighter sentences for THEMSELVES.
Sometimes, THE LAW is looking for BIGGER FISH to catch, as opposed to lower level players.
Again, a tradegy and loss for both FAMILIES.

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35bummy12(1 comment)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Look I know 99% of the facts in this situation. I know both families pretty well. Neither is innocent and all contributed to events that led to the tragedy. Richard was a well known drug addict and dealer. The police let him off for one reason or another. How can anyone say he was a good person when he tried to kill his own daughter? Ask for the Kidd family they are also not innocent. The daughter Kourtney was a major factor in what happened. She has had a major drug problem for years and no one wanted to do anything about it. The courts never made her pay for any of her mistakes. She recently was in and out of rehabs and the courts wouldn't make her stay. Everyone that knows the family knows that she stole from everyone including Richard. Her family kept bailing her out of her problems and look what happened. Everything resulted from the lives that Kourtney and Richard chose to live. The things that drugs make you do and the type of people they involve you with are no joke. Yes he came to the house looking for money but it wasn't money that Gerry owed him it was money Kourtney stole from him. It is a tragedy that such a wonderful man had to lose his life becasue of his daughters choices. She will now have to live her life knowing that she is the reason this happened. As for Richard the obituary they posted for him is complete bull. He was not a good man at all. Like i said he was a drug dealer, a drug addict, a woman abuser and an all around horrible person. I'm not part of his family so maybe they know him in a different way but I have known him for a while and he was a monster. All I can say is that people need to come back to reality and really think about things. This wasn't random it was a direct result of the choices everyone involved made. It is horrible that a young boy lost his grandfather and almost lost his dad but people need to realize that this is what happens when you live your life the way all of them did. No one talks about the families and they want to overlook everything until a tragedy happens and then all of a sudden they were wonderful people. The real world doesn't work that way. Everyone involved was responsible in their own little way. So i think people need to look past the clouds of the tragedy and see what's really going on here. My thoughts go to the little boy because he is the only innocent one in this situation.

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36anonymous8593(8 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I agree with everything you say bummy!!! AMEN!! Kids don't judge their parents, his 13 year old son is another innocent victim. He hasn't been able to come to grips with the entire situation. 2 innocent boys lives changed forever because of these 2 low lifes.

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37metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

That is hwta it sounds like to me a couplr of bad people who made mistakes their whole lives that came to a head.

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38jrainbowpride(1 comment)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I feel bad for the family's involved, specially the young ones. We all have to remember, that this violence is all over..The child is probably better off with out the shooter. for a dad.. that is sad to say but, i believe it is true
Austintown Township always seems to put news to the back... like nothing ever happens in Austintown... God forbid something go wrong in AUSTINTOWN ....Well it did !!!...Wake up Austintown Township lets get the awareness out... Lets get these guys off the streets... ..Violence is all over even in that small town of Austintown, Ohio.. ..

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39legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

jrainbowpride, you are right about Austintown I have a friend who works for the Juvenile Court and she states that most of the kids in Juvenile Drug Court/Diversion Programs come from Austintown. The sad thing is the parents don't and the schools dont want anyone to know the depths of addiction in Austintown. The parents brush it off and dont hold there kids accountable and then wonder why they overdise or end up in prison. Actually, a few of this young kids parents work for the police department.

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40legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Parents often times are to busy making money to give there kids "all they didnt have" when what there kids "really" need is parents to raise them, hold them accountable and teach them morals and values~not to mention good work ethic so they dont become dealers (always seeking instant gratification).

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41Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

mike88:

The subculture is very mobile. They walk if nothing else. Atown is their town just as much as Ytown. Their 24/7 goal is to seek victims. Their vision is that the rules of society are there to be broken.

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42VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Drugs have become such a strong force in our society today that we are spending billions every year fighting it and the crime it breeds. It is very apparent that current methods are not working, as local police cannot fight this with the limited funds and resources they currently have.

Maybe our government should direct stimulus money towards developing anti-drug cartels in every neighborhood in America. Hire more cops, agents, clerks, pay-off tipsters, build drug-only prisons, secure borders, etc.

Drug crime is big business, we need to address it as such with overwhelming force.

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43Westsider(224 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

It is sad that the choices one makes can have such terrible and unforeseen repercussions. Make God be with both the Kidd and Forrester families during this sad and tragic time in their lives. Perhaps this will serve as a wake up call.

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44Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Those in the realm of subculture will be quick to tell you that it's their life and they'll live it the way they want. They really enjoy themselves right up to the time of the consequences.

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45reallitycheck(6 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

i have been really bothered by the article of big rich in the paper, such a loving man to his kids and wife. this man was a complete monster.its a shame he was such a coward. What kind of person who loves there kids so much that there his life but yet he breaks into there house, rips the phones from the wall, forces his daughter to jump from a bed room window, shoots at her, while she's running for the neighbors for help, while they sleep and try to kill them.I do know one thing even with the lose they can sleep peacefully for they know now he will never wake them. This was not the first time he's gone off the deep end and turned and caused them so much pain.Thats why his wife divorced him. She is a much better person. Almost a new person. Hopefully, their kids can move on and sleep peacefully.
As for the President of RF Enterprises!! Give me a break. Since when do we consider Drug dealer, Thief, dealing in stolen property and drug addict an enterprise.I think we use to call them criminals.Answer this! How can you be arrested for a crime and no punishment be brought to you? CI has been mentioned. It's a good theory. Considering he was involved in the big bust in the ridge awhile back for stolen equipment, But his name never made the paper. Not only the things I've listed above but a snake. To bad his partners didn't get him first. We could have saved a innocent life and and all the pain he caused. Hope the cost to the cops was worth it.
To Jerry's family I am truly sorry for your loss. For such a scumbag to have such a big lieing article of how great a person he was in the paper is really disrespectful.They should have told the truth.
To the people of the ridge you can be ashurd that the things you have worked so hard for are safe for now. To the kids who are so very hurt my heart goes out to you; We all know what a terrible man he was. Not only has he destroyed his family but another. May he rot in hell.What a coward!!!!!!

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46metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Well he sure doesn't sound like a good guy to me.

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47MIndfull(2 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I wonder why Richard was not in jail??...Its seems everyone knew what he did for a living and yet nothing was done about it..The cops that kept letting him get away with his crimes because he was a supposed c.i...Those departments all need investigated to see who he was supplying to keep him on the streets...because this whole tragic situation never had to happen if they would of been doing their jobs.

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48MIndfull(2 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Who ever wrote his obituary needs investigated for being on drugs because that is a disgrace."LOVING FATHER" no how about!!!!MURDERER ...DRUG DEALER ....CRACK HEAD..THIEF.....OR BETTER YET... COWARD

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49reallitycheck(6 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

i have been really bothered by the ad in the paper for big rich. such a good man and his life revolved around his kids. what kind of man who cares about his kids would cut the phone lines chase his daughter out a window and shoot at her as shes running to the neighbors for help then shoot at his own kid as he lies sleeping. this is no man i know. but yet he gets a big ad in the paper saying he was a good man. The man was a monster.
This wasn't the first time he terrorized his family. Thats why his wife divorced him. She is a much better person. A new person. one i've never seen. I've been there for 15yrs.
As for RF Enterprises. Get real!!! we all know he was a drug dealer,thief,and dealt in stolen goods. The people of the ridge can sleep better knowing he's gone.
I just hope the cops feel it was worth the price. CI was brought up. Good theory!! Funny how when everyone else in the ridge got pinched for the equipment bust a couple of years ago yet he didn't. He was involved. Its a tight small town. Not only the things i said above but a rat as well. Its a shame his partners didn't get him first all of this could have been avoided.
I only hope that his kids can sleep peacefully at night knowing that they will never be awaken by a monster. They've been through too much. This isn't the first but it is the last.
To the Gerry family i am deeply sorry for your loss.Its such a shame that a mad man had to destroy your lives, but yet he still gets a big ad in the news paper saying the lies that they did. Its disrespectful and hurts. Not only you but many.
To everyone involved and really knew big rich sleep well a monster has been removed from our lives.

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50reallitycheck(6 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

sorry for posting twice but i wasn't sure my point got through

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51C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Reallity,whats wrong? You could'nt come up with any more original thoughts than you did in the first post.You sound like you have some resentments toward Rich, did he do something to you personally? I wish you could have read the letters that he wrote to his kids that were out at the calling hrs. It showed me where his heart was at one time, before his disease infected mind took over. I'm not condoning any of his actions by any means, it is truly sad. It will affect all those involved for many years. You make it sound like the vindy took out a full page ad. It was an obituary,all who die are entitled to that. Does'nt the family usually supply what information they want written in those? How does that hurt you? If it does don't read it. I hope you can let go of the hate for Rich and turn it into compassion and support for each family involved. May God please be with both of these families and friends in their time of need.

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52legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Stan, I am in agreement with you. ..it's a shame and it seems to late to do much about it. I try not to be negative but I often wonder working for the courts day after day if people could ever change. The system has many resources for treatment but the truth to the matter is that the people involved "go through the motions" of treatment and 12 step meetings and when they have meet the legal requirements and are off probation or parole they go back to the same old... Then they wonder why they have no job, living in gov't housing~you must want to better yourself and therefore the next generation will learn by example. Sorry....im very passionate about people getting well and being functional people in society.

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53dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

You know people on here keep point fingers and blaming Richard and then for some reason the ex-girlfriend's family? Are you serious, her family? Did you ever stop and think it is the addiction? People who are exteme addicts are controlled by the addiction, whatever that may be. The whole situation is very sad. Since Richard took his own life there will be no clear cut answers to to why, only speculation. Sometimes the speculation is misguided by those who want to play the blame game. Walk a true mile in any of their shoes and them come back and point a fingers. I am sure you will view it differently.

My thoughts and prayers go out to both families.

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54gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

@STAN,

Yes, the "subculture" IS very mobile.
It happens in Boardman, Poland, Canfield, Cortland and many "rural" areas.
It just seems to be swept under-the-rug or covered up and not make headlines.

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55Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

gypsygirl720:

Its all in toleration. The culture thrives because the parents tolerated their behavior. Now the xpect society to do the same.

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56gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

@STAN,

Once again, Stan, you are correct.
Too many parents, grandparents and family members enable their "children" and continue to bail them out. There is usually an excuse used: "Oh, he/she was abused, mistreated, single parent home or something to that effect".

We all need to take responsibility for ourselves and our families.

I still believe that YOU, Stan, should be a syndicated writer for National Newspapers.

~~~Thanks, gypsygirl720

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57C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Mike88, READ my post again. I'm not condoning Rich's actions or the life style he lead.Nor am I trying to defend him. And NO I don't need a new dealer, I am clean and sober today. And I wish Rich would've stayed with me on the path to recovery. Which he was doing just a short time ago. I just wanted to try and let people know the type of man he was capable of being,and was at one time. Not the person his addictions led him to be.I totally agree with dmets, because I have walked in those shoes, I am just one of the few(unfortunately) who has chosen to take them off. Yes I am an addict, and will always be considered one. I understand how society is viewing this story and do not think anyones opinion is right or wrong. I'm just sharing mine.Yes i do know who I AM, do you? You must if you brought up McDonald. I'm sure we probably know of each other. I'm not concerned with remaining anonymous. If anyone would care to have further conversation on this story in a less public forum I WILL post my private e-mail address to do that. THANKS TO DMETS

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58C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

THANKS MIKE88 I don't know why they let it go on. My GUESS is they were probably a part of it too. As far as the using part, and doing something about it would've interfered with their personal agenda.

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59metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Iguess the biggest tihgn here is that this did not need t happwn if they put him in jail and elfyt hi mthere until he got treatment.

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60C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

metz87, He did. Read my post #69. The most crucial part of treatment/recovery is the individual MUST be willing to surrender and give up the old lifestyle.And goto any lengths to achieve sobriety. Until then no one can be forced to do it. Whether it be court ordered or not. Consequences are'nt on an addicts mind when it comes to decision making.

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61copswife(25 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I do not think it should be about Youngstown or Austintown. I do not think it really matters these days where you live. People make their own choices in life. I know plenty of people that live in Canfield, Poland , Austintown, Youngstown"my home town", and you know what? They all have their problems. Where you live does not make you the kind of person you are. Only you can decide that. This is just another case of one or two bad apples from the family making the wrong choices and in the end everyone else in the family suffers from their choices. I do believe that Austintown police do not deal with half of what Youngstown police deals with, but this was a major wake up call and sometimes that is always needed for everyone.I also can say if this guy was a CI he defitnely took advantage of that label and somthing should have been done with him along time ago, i think the police need to decide when enough is enough. My heart goes out to both familys.

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62anonymous8593(8 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

realitycheck! BRAVO!

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63daddysangel(2 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I am Rich's daughter ( his angel, best friend, support and world). I've been following the posts the last few days.It took me a while before I decided to post my story, so here it goes. I am very sorry for you negative minded people. Not one person that has left a post knew MY father. Before you judge, make sure your hands are clean. Anonymous8593 (you are not anonymous, we will deal with that at a later time) you are not a part of my dads family. CDub I'm very thankful you realize how much my dad loved us. He is not a perfect person and his actions Thursday June 4th are totally beyond my mind. I need to set the record straight, because obviously gossip has been getting the best of everyone. Yes, my dad did come to my moms (his ex wife) house around (9:30) that night. Yes he had a gun. Yes we were terrified. But he could have killed me, my brother, my mom and grandmother, and none of us have a single scratch? My dads intentions were clear. He (need) wanted out of his misery. He didn't want us to feel the pain once he left, and tried to make us hate him. A gun was never pointed at my head, I WALKED out the front door along with my brother. Shots were fired, but not in anyones direction. As for the incidents that happened at the Kidd resident, I was not there. But I know my father well enough to explain. Kourtney (the "girlfriend" involved, which by the way he never claimed her as a girlfriend) was not his target. Her father crossed his path in a wrong way. I am in no way, shape or form putting blame on anybody. I am truly sorry for their loss, and would never want this hardship upon anyone. They are as well in my prayers.

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64daddysangel(2 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

prayers. And yes, you are all right, my dad was an alcoholic and an addict. That is why I decided to share my story, out of all of this I want to change atleast one persons life. My dad will be missing so much in mine and my brothers life because of these addictions. It's not fair. Your actions bring consequences not only on yourself, but on those who love you. In my fathers mind, he was doing the right thing by leaving me and my brother, that was the depression talking to him. Like I said earlier, he is my best friend. Him and I lived together, we rode on his motorcycle every chance we got, we laughed together, cried together and grew together. He has shaped me into the strong person I am today. I hope a lost, depressed soul reads this and takes a good look at their life to see how many people truly love them. At daddys funeral, his entire family, every friend, neighbor, and even some people that didnt know him all that well came to pay respect. He needed that. I know in my heart my dad has finally found God. He is in peace. No more illness. I also wanted to ask for everyone to think of the children and families involved. My 13 year old brother didn't get as much time with my dad as I did. He has to learn to be a man without his father. He read the comments you all left, and it really hurt. My dad has made me a strong enough person where your comments mean nothing to me, but he is a child. So please, for my brother and the grandson of the Kidds, please show some compassion. Rumors are rumors, leave them at that. Rich Forrester is and will always be my hero. I will defend his honor in the way I carry myself and live my life til the end. Thank you for listening.

-Daddys Little Girl

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65C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

daddysangel,Thank you for sharing. That took alot of courage. I can't imagine what you and your brother are going through right now. I was a friend of your dads'. The last time I saw you before Monday was at the mall with your dad one sunday morning. I hope that I have'nt hurt you or your brother by anything I posted.If I have i am TRULY sorry, that was definately not my intention. I also suffer from the same diseases and depression. I understand first-hand what that does to the mind. And just wanted people to try to see it from that aspect. Those letters deeply touched my heart. Your father loved you both very much. You know that, and that's exactly what I told your brother on Monday. I wish I could've taken the pain and sadness away from him that I saw in his eyes. If there is anything at all that I can do for either of you leave me a msg. on here. I will get in contact with you somehow. My thoughts and prayers are with your family and also the Kidd family. Be strong and God Bless you. Your dad would be proud of you!

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66C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Anonymous, You call yourself a family member? You should be ashamed of yourself!!!

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67Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

When a young girl can see that the fallout from choices in life needn't be if the choices had been different we all have hope. My prayers are with her and I wish her well in life.

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68gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

@DaddysAngel,

God Bless You, Dear.
You and your brother are in our thoughts and prayers. It did take courage for you to post on this site. I do NOT know you or your family.
I do believe that your DAD, loved you very much.
I hope that your DAD is at peace.
You sound like a very genuine young LADY.
Please take care of yourself and do not let all the negativity get to you.
Your DAD gave you life.

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69anonymous8593(8 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

1st of all, yes, I'm proud of myself!!!! My families lives were at stake!! I don't really care about any of you, Daddy's Angel, you were what I've always been worried about! I don't care about the addiction, I'm sorry but when it came to one life or another, I'm glad you are all safe. That's it! No more to be said. There was once love, but the love is gone. I have always stood up for you kids! ALWAYS! And you know that...........Story over. I hope you move on. I love you and you know that!

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70legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Wow..reality check...your comment fits your name, that was no nonsense on your part. Kudos to you...

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71C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Anonymous, Sorry to hear that. Cause I DO care about you and the rest of the family. And I will continue to pray for all of you. And the Kidd family also. No more need be said to you. God Bless!!!

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72reallitycheck(6 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

to daddys angel, an8593, cdub, and everyone else, oh and stan, we need to let this go. We've all been touched by this in one way or another. Its done. There is one thing I know about and its grudges. They get u no where. It only gets you bitter and alone, wishing you could have all the years back you wasted. Life is short no matter how many years you live. I'm sorry for the the pain both the families have to deal with. Hopefully we all can learn from rich's mistakes and strive to be better people to each other.If anything he's taught us that.I am truly sorry for any harm my words may have caused to ether family. You are in my prayers.

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73legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

daddys angel..my daughters father(ex-husband) passed involved in substance abuse issues, similar to your dads (someone toook his life when she was less than a year old). My daughter is a young woman now and she knows alot about her fathers past and it has built character for her. My daughter is a strong, kind, compassionate and loving young lady. My daughters father would be proud of her as he looks over her from above..you will make your father proud because this will build character as well you will keep his memory alive not the incidents of that sad night. When I say keep his memeory alive by reminding people of who he was prior to this catastrpohe. I wish you and your brother the best...dream big...sweet dreams of happier times..**from one angel to another!!

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74C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Reallity- TRUE THAT! Legalangel-Sorry to hear that you and your daughter had to go through that. Thank you for sharing your families personal experience. I'm sure daddysangel appreciates that also.And will continue to be the strong, loving young woman she is to make her father even more proud. God Bless you all

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75C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Hey Ship_it, How 'bout SHOVE_IT. you obviously don't conduct yourself by a moral code. You just keep working on that "the more you know" idea.

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76crossboy56(3 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

The boyfriend should have taken her to small claims court.Walking into somebody house with a gun.He should have learn from OJ

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77C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

crossboy56, I hope you did'nt create a username and account just to post that stupid comment.

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78legalangel(9 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Ship it..your "negativity" will not be absorbed by me and it is my right (and the right off others) to beleive that God looks over or upon us or is within us. This forum is created to oppose peoples thoughts and views and congratulations your negative view has been shared as well as your ignorance. C_Dub..people just want to come here and make meaningless comments without thinking first, pray for them because these people walk amongst us *sad but true*

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79lucky22(2 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Was Richard raised in Struthers?

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80C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

legalangel, I do everyday. I know I should'nt even reply and feed their ego. Easier said than done at times. Thanks

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81Twireader(1 comment)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I have been reading these posts and I am still in shock. I worked for many years with Rich. And I can tell you he was not always a bad person. He was a good friend of mine. We lost touch with him shortly after the plant closed down.Only seeing him in passing on the road here and there. That seems to be when his life changed. I don't know what the facts are or what happened that night...only a few people actually do and the rest is hear say. I just want to let you know he was a nice person once and that this is definatly a case of a drug addiction taking over someones life with very tragic results.
My heart goes out to Sharon and his 2 kids.
And also the Kidd family.

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82C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Joe, does your name have anything to do with your last post???

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83aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Clevelander must have Stan confused with OldManGrump.

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84AXLE69(181 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I have read every post on here.It seems many are missing the point.I don`t give a damn if anyone owed the murderer money or not.I have never killed anyone that owed me money,have you?The murderer went to the house with 2 handguns and a shotgun.Obviously he had every intent to kill whomever he found there.Jerry was a good friend of mine.I could have been there at the time.My kids could have been there.Do I or they deserve to be dead because the murderer was having a "rough"day and was a drug dealer?Yes ,the murderers family didn`t kill anyone but let`s not whitewash exactly what he did.And if I had an account at Farmers Bank,rest assured I would be pulling my money out,I wouldn`t want to be associated with the muderers "memorial account".Totally ridiculous.How about an account for Ian Kidd, who was shot 5 times in the stomach but managed to escape and crawl onto Mahoning Ave to get help for his dying father and his mother trapped in the house.That takes courage.It takes ZERO courage to gun down 2 unarmed men relaxing in the what should have been the safety of their home.By the way,Jerry was shot many,many times.The murderer was there to kill.

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85metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

He has a memorial fund? Someone must think he was innocnet or something because that is one of the crazy thigns I have ever heard!

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86reallitycheck(6 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

2 lucky ----NO

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87reallitycheck(6 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

2 vindyak yes the war on drugs that the Regans started is not working. We spend billions on stopping it from comin in but yet we pay people ( drug companies) to make them. It makes no sense.

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88gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

@lucky22:
What does Struthers have to do with it?
WHERE were YOU raised?
And no I was NOT raised in "THE VALLEY".
[unless Sharpsville, PA counts?]
Get a grip.

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89metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Well him getting a memorial fund makes no sesne.

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90C_Dub824(26 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

metz87 & axle69, the bank account is for Riverbend Recovery center

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91janeyblue(227 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

sweetpea...who are you to dictate?
we are a free country ...last i checked !!!

the only reason apd knew who the shooter was is because he shot himself in front of them !
any other time...find em crusin mahoning ave...pretending to LOOK busy..

btw...my dad was apd long ago...when they were worth being proud of...and you could count on them...
too bad all the old timers are retired or passed on...(they're turning in their graves trust me !)
they had no fear....

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92lucky22(2 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

gypsy girl.... Relax!!! I knew a Richard Forrester from struthers... thats all!

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93metz87(884 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Well that is better then going to a Murderer.

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94gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

@lucky22,

Sorry about that. Thanks for clearing it up.

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