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Murder of Dr. Tiller puts abortion foes on the spot

Published: Thu, June 4, 2009 @ 12:00 a.m.

Inflammatory language has but one goal: To ignite the passions of like-minded individuals, and, if possible, trigger extreme actions. Thus, when such language results in death or destruction, blame must be assigned. This is true of Islamic militants who advocate suicide bombings and of abortion foes who publicly label doctors performing such procedures mass-murderers.

So it is that Randall Terry, founder of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue, and such cable television talkers as Bill O’Reilly must be held to account for the slaying of Dr. George Tiller.

Tiller, one of the few physicians in this country performing late-term abortions, was shot dead Sunday while attending church services in Wichita, Kan. The accused killer is 51-year-old Scott Roeder, who is being held on one count of first-degree murder and two counts of aggravated assault.

It is irrelevant that Roeder did not belong to any of the major anti-abortion organizations. He obviously heard the call to arms.

Indeed, Terry, who split from Operation Rescue in 1991, insisted Monday that opponents of abortion have no reason to tone down their rhetoric. Tiller was a “mass murderer, and horrifically, he reaped what he sowed,” said Terry, who most recently organized protests against President Barack Obama’s appearance at Notre Dame.

It is ironic — and hypocritical — that some individuals who rail against abortion, which they view as murder, aren’t as offended when murder is committed in the name of their cause. Rather than worry about the backlash from Sunday’s killing in the Reformation Lutheran Church, Terry and others of his ilk should use this opportunity to make it clear that they are opposed to all murder and do not countenance violence against doctors who perform abortions.


The tactics adopted by the anti-abortion movement meet the definition of terrorism. And, those who do bodily harm to individuals who work for abortion clinics or women’s centers, or those who bomb such facilities are nothing but terrorists.

It does not matter what caused accused killer Roeder to stalk Dr. Tiller, follow him into the church and then shoot him in cold blood while his wife and children looked on.

What is clear is that it was an act of premeditation, similar to suicide bombings by Islamic extremists.

It is noteworthy, however, that while suicide bombers are willing to give up their lives for their cause, abortion foes have one thing in common: cowardice. They usually run after they have committed their dastardly deeds.

Scott Roeder held witnesses at bay with his gun after shooting the doctor and then fled in his car. He was arrested by Johnson County sheriff’s deputies on I-35.

By contrast, the victim provided health services to women despite the fact that he had been a target of the anti-abortion movement for decades. His clinic was the site of numerous protests, and in 1985 it was bombed.

Eight years later, Dr. Tiller was shot in both arms by a protester.

He could easily have given up his practice, but as his wife, Jeanne, his four children and 10 grandchildren said in a statement, “George dedicated his life to providing women with high-quality health care despite frequent threats and violence.”

Abortion is legal in the United States; murder is not.

The slaying of Dr. Tiller must be investigated fully and the accused prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. To do anything less would be to embolden others who believe they have a right to play god.


1valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years ago

Abortion is legal in the United States; murder is not.

Only problem is abortion=murder.

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2jimiohoh(88 comments)posted 7 years ago

And with Obama's supreme court nominee, abortion will remain legal.

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3valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years ago

Life begins at conception in my eyes and the eyes of most Christian religions, which comprise 76% of Americans.

And you are very wrong on the late term abortions. If you ever watched O'Reilly you would know Tiller the Baby Killer would provide a late term abortion to any pregnant woman for any reason whatsoever for $5000.

One lady O'Reilly interviewed said she was told to sit on the toilet and let the baby come out. Absolutely sickening.

I am encouraged by polls that show this nation is become more pro-life than pro-choice. Three polls out in two weeks all confirm that trend.

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4Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

"To do anything less would be to embolden others who believe they have a right to play god."

Isn't selecting the unborn to abortion killing their future ? Just where do the abortionists get this right ? Hitler selected Jews for extermination. Where did he get the right? It is a sad time for Dr. Tiller,s family but all abortions are a sad time for all of mankind.

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5irishfan91(97 comments)posted 7 years ago

Below are some excerpts of your letter. You start off on a rant about inflammatory language, yet your article is nothing but inflammatory language.

"Inflammatory language has but one goal: To ignite the passions of like-minded individuals, and, if possible, trigger extreme actions. Thus, when such language results in death or destruction, blame must be assigned. This is true of Islamic militants who advocate suicide bombings and of abortion foes who publicly label doctors performing such procedures mass-murderers."

"The tactics adopted by the anti-abortion movement meet the definition of terrorism. And, those who do bodily harm to individuals who work for abortion clinics or women’s centers, or those who bomb such facilities are nothing but terrorists."

"What is clear is that it was an act of premeditation, similar to suicide bombings by Islamic extremists."

It is noteworthy, however, that while suicide bombers are willing to give up their lives for their cause, abortion foes have one thing in common: cowardice. They usually run after they have committed their dastardly deeds."

How about that for the pot calling the kettle black.

These near term infants are not just a collection of cells. They have fully functioning organs and outside the womb would have a very high chance for survival.

I am against abortion. I don't condone this murder, but killing innocent babies is murder. Fact is, the law does recognize it. If you kill a pregnant woman--guess what?-- you get charged for two murders (gee, I thought that was just a collection of cells your honor.)

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6hellsbells(116 comments)posted 7 years ago

Thank you Vindicator, for having the courage to say what needs to be said.

We have just come out of a long presidential campaign in which some of the very same posters applied a very different standard to William Ayers, who felt that radical actions were justified in order to save lives in Vietnam.

When arrested, the doctor's murderer had the phone number of Operation Rescue and the first name of one of their staffers taped to his dashboard.


During the Clinton presidency, there was a murder committed by these "activists" at least every year. During the Bush presidency the violence almost completely stopped. Now, the violence is ramping up again.


Not likely. Unless the party in power seems to acquiesce to every demand, they threaten to kill.

What a bitter irony it is when they call themselves "pro-life".

Look at yourself, ValleyRed. This grandfather was killed in his church, where he was in the back with the other ushers. They called his wife from the choir to see that he had been shot in the face in the vestibule.

Pro-life? Pro-religion?

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7valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years ago

Give me a break erplane. I may be 19, but I am able to tell the difference between a biased commentator and one that is fair and balanced. Hannity is the equivalent of Olbermann, therefore I rarely watch it.

On the other hand, O'Reilly is by far and away the most fair and balanced commentator of them all. See the myth with Fox News haters is that Fox is biased and therefore all its commentators are biased because that is what their liberal friends tell them, which could not be further from the truth.

I strongly URGE you to sit down and watch O'Reilly tonight and comeback at 9pm and tell me how he was biased towards the right?! You don't have to be a conservative to be against abortion. I'd be willing to bet this area is more pro-life than pro-choice because of the huge Catholic population, even though this area votes overwhelmingly Democratic every election cycle.

O'Reilly treats President Obama with respect, something NO liberal commentator on CNN or MSNBC could do with President Bush.

And I'd love to know HellsBells where I advocated the murder of Dr. Tiller? It was TERRIBLE that he was assassinated. I feel for his family and friends during this tough time. The pro-life movement should not advocate murder like the pro-choice movement does with the murdering of innocent unborn children.

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8OldFashionedMama(77 comments)posted 7 years ago

Sorry to say it but Dr. Tiller had this coming. I don't condone murder in any form, yet in the same breath I can admit to being relieved that someone had the testicular fortitude to pull it off...

What kind of twisted person murders babies for a living and then goes to church on Sunday with his family and thinks God isn't watching or doesn't care? Remind me to thank Him every night for sending this piece of human waste back to hell where he belongs.

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9hellsbells(116 comments)posted 7 years ago

I forgot to say something about the murder's contact at Operation Rescue. At Roeder's arrest there was on his dashboard a note that read “Cheryl” and “Op Rescue” with a phone number of Cheryl Sullenger, senior policy advisor for Operation Rescue out of Wichita.

Sullenger served about two years in prison after pleading guilty to conspiring to bomb an abortion clinic in California in 1988.

Let's review some of the terrorism during the Clinton years, because I'm afraid we are headed right back there:
__Oct. 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian is fatally shot in his home in a suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. Militant abortion opponent James Kopp is convicted of the murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

_ Jan. 29, 1998: A bomb explodes just outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic, killing a police officer and wounding several others. Eric Rudolph later pleads guilty to that incident and the deadly bombing at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. He justifies the Alabama bombing in an essay from prison, writing that Jesus would condone "militant action in defense of the innocent."

_ Jan. 16, 1997: Two bomb blasts an hour apart rock an Atlanta building containing an abortion clinic. Seven people are injured. Rudolph is charged by federal authorities in October 1998.

_ Dec. 30, 1994: John Salvi opens fire with a rifle inside two Boston-area abortion clinics, killing two receptionists and wounding five others. Sentenced to life without parole, he kills himself in prison in 1996.

_ Nov. 8, 1994: Dr. Garson Romalis, who performs abortions in Vancouver, Canada, is shot in the leg while eating breakfast at home.

_ July 29, 1994: Dr. John Bayard Britton and his volunteer escort, James H. Barrett, are slain outside a Pensacola, Fla., abortion clinic. Barrett's wife, June, is wounded in the attack. Paul J. Hill, 40, a former minister and anti-abortion activist, is later convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

_ Aug. 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller is shot in the arms as he drives out of parking lot at his Wichita, Kan., clinic. Rachelle "Shelley" Shannon is later convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

_ March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn is shot to death outside Pensacola, Fla., clinic, becoming the first U.S. doctor killed during an anti-abortion demonstration. Michael Griffin is convicted and serving a life sentence.

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10valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years ago

You missed out Erplane; too bad you couldn't tune in. O'Reilly had some very nice things to say about Obama's speech today in his Talking Points Memo.

Since you couldn't watch, I provided the video link so you can watch it now: http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/

Enjoy the FAIR and BALANCED analysis.

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11epicfail(217 comments)posted 7 years ago


You don't condone murder but you thank God for it?

The hypocrisy of that statement is staggering. You are a perfect example of why Christianity is in decline.

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12valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years ago

Well we agree on that. Go Pens.

But do not buy what liberals and the mainstream media tell you, O'Reilly is a fair minded individual.

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13JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years ago

O'Reilly is a self-righteous hack.

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14Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 7 years ago

I performed an "abortion" today.

On the way home from a long and grueling night at work, I "aborted" my planned stop at the lumbaryard for some wood I need for a fence. It was my "choice" to do so. Maybe I saved the "life" of a tree. So I guess I'm "pro-life" and "pro-choice" as well as an "abortionist."

My point is that the "abortion" debate is surrounded by dishonesty. The very terms used are intentionally generic so as to disguise what really is happening. I suggest that the more accurate term "elective fetal extermination" replace the generic term "abortion."

Calling the procedure "abortion" is akin to calling the Civil War a "non-agreement" or Auschwitz "compulsory lodging."

That being said, I think that EFE should be legal with restrictions.

By the way, if you think Bill O'Reilly is responsible in any way for the murder of Dr. Tiller, than you are a mental midget. It is actually more plausible that those who verbally opposed the Iraqi Liberation are responsible for the deaths of US troops.

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15Eric(207 comments)posted 7 years ago

The point of this editorial is not to debate aborton. We can argue that for years (which we have already been doing). The point of this editorial is to point out that killing Dr. Tiller was wrong. It is ironic that people who are pro-life say things like "he had it coming." Shameful!! If anyone should be upset over this execution it should be pro-lifers. If they are opposed to aborting an infant, certainly they should be opposed to the murder of an adult (in church, no less). As a well-known commentator, Bill O’Reilly should certainly have spoken out against this horrific act. Whether he agrees with Dr. Tiller's actions is a different story-but O'Reilly, as well as all groups that oppose abortion, are hypocrites if they oppose the murder of one person yet support the murder of another.

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16valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years ago

Eric... you said, "but O'Reilly, as well as all groups that oppose abortion, are hypocrites if they oppose the murder of one person yet support the murder of another."

HE DENOUNCED THE MURDER. What else do you want of the man!? If you had actually watched his show you would not have needed to make such an uninformed statement.

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17Eric(207 comments)posted 7 years ago

valleyred...I did watch O'Reilly's 6/1 Talking Points. Granted, he did denounce the murder, yet he still spent most of the time denouncing Tiller's actions. He began the segment stating that Americans should "condemn the murder of late-term abortionist Tiller, even though the man terminated thousands of pregnancies..." It really rubbed me raw that the guy is dead, and O'Reilly referred to him as "late term abortionist Tiller", instead of "Dr. Tiller", and criticized him in the same sentence when he said his murder is wrong. If someone I don't like is murdered, I'm not going to go to the family and say "I'm sorry for your loss, even though your family member was a liar and a thief."

However, at least O'Reilly did speak against the murder. I was more referring to Randall Terry's press conference, where he said, among other things, that "George Tiller Reaped What He Sowed" (Then inviting people out for a beer). Never once did he say that ALL murder is wrong, and killing doctors is as bad as performing abortions. That was what I was referring to in my comment about being a hypocrite.

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18CleverMoniker(26 comments)posted 7 years ago

I'm very curious as to how *specifically* Christian Pro-Choice citizens feel towards the Christian Pro-Life groups, and vice-versa. I recently read an article about the decline of Christianity in the nation and saw that same statistic(for whatever that is worth) of 76% of adults polled IDENTIFYING themselves with Christianity. (As a side note, Atheism (and Agnosticism) is up! Way up~ from 5% to 12%!) I clarified that they "identify" with it because that includes many people who aren't active in their religion, but were raised in some denomination or feel it's easier to just stay within the majority.

What I'm wondering is how do they make peace with that, and how do they decide who is right about it? I mean, it's the one and same God they're worshipping, right? Does he say different things to different groups? Is there a version of the bible for each way to look at it? It's not (gasp!) people twisting "God's word" to suit their own agenda, is it?!

The only people needing to worry about abortions are those who choose to get them. Just like gay marriage: you don't believe in it, fine, don't do it. Just don't take away others' rights to make that choice.

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19Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 7 years ago


Using that logic, are the only people who need to concern themselves with murder are the slain?

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20CleverMoniker(26 comments)posted 7 years ago


No, using the logic you are presenting with that argument, only embryos and fetuses need concern themselves with abortion.
What I'm saying is that only the people personally AND immediately making the decision of abortion need be concerned.

We obviously don't view the issue of abortion not being murder in the same fashion. That's fine that you see it in your own way, we all have our opinions. I'm not gonna go changing laws to enforce abortions though, that is the difference between our "sides".

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21Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 7 years ago


The point I was making is that if a born human is murdered, it is a concern of all humans, and not just the slain human. That is why it is a felony, and in some states, a capital offense.

Some folks would similarly feel that a slain but viable pre-born human is also a broader concern. Let's face it, the slain fetus is guilty only of not being born prior to the late-term abortion (EFE), otherwise it would have likely lived a full life.

Some reasonable folks would go further and say that killing pre-term infants is murder, and to me their logic makes more sense than the dishonest "reproductive rights" argument. Is it a right to kill anything?

As I said above, EFE should be legal with restrictions because I've seen the horrors that unwanted children are put through. EFE is simply more humane than what some "parents" do to their children. Therefore, we are on the same "side", but the dishonest rhetoric of the "pro-choice" faction sickens me and actually pushes me away from their position.

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22Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

When those who choose abortion saying that it is in the best interest of the child and put forth their views, one has to wonder if all their thinking consists of flawed logic.

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23Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

Is it freedom to kill the unborn or an opportunity to kill the unborn?

The law today gives the the abortionist the opportunity to kill the innocent without consequences. Does this then mean that they are innocent of murder? Is the death of the unborn child irrelevant as long as the mother of that child isn't inconvenienced by its birth ?

Is only the life of the unborn child without value in our country today? Today it is the unborn but tomorrow it may the aged, the invalid, the feeble minded and whoever else poses an inconvenience. What life is without value in your eyes?

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24epicfail(217 comments)posted 7 years ago

"What life is without value in your eyes?"

These wishy-washy platitudes are only invoked when fetuses are involved. When the tables turn to the convicted crackhead on death row life suddenly seems to lose it's value. When you pick and choose where life starts and stops being sacred it doesn't take a sick mind long to take that final step to play God IMO.

Feel free to disagree, that's just my opinion. I personally see abortion and by extension all murder (by individuals and the state) as an abhorrent choice for any rational individual. All life is sacred, from the cradle to the grave and from cuddly baby to crack addicted killer.

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25Ciara2223(16 comments)posted 7 years ago

I wish people stopped mixing religion into things where it shouldn't be mixed with. This doctor simply was doing his job just like everyone else. I bet if it was the death penalty with some of these religious crazed people.

Probably would be all for it especially if the person killed a loved one. This is as crazy as the woman that took off with her teenage son that have cancer that needed chemo. But for religois reasons of her own she was selfish and ran away with him without the father inpoint on that.

Personally I felt when she came back with their son she should of got arressted that was some bs . And also so wrong to make a decision like that without your son and husband/boyfriend approval it's his body and your husband/boyfriend son to.

Along time ago woman might have a high risk pregnancy where they were warned before hand not to have any more kids or to terminant and some would just go through it and end up dying giving birth.

Now a days we have a choice to stand up against religion ways for whatever reason it may be to have an abortion no matter what situation. If you have health reasons or raped or whatever you as the female have that choice a fetus is not cassified as a baby yet but everyone have different opinions.

I feel everyone need to just worry about their own body and quit worring about the next person of what they decide to do.

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26Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

So Ciara2223 thinks that the unborn have no rights and can be killed at anytime. As long as it wasn't Ciara2223 that was aborted "ITS ALL GOOD." Now we see that Ciara2223 is special !

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27epicfail(217 comments)posted 7 years ago

Ciara2223 is special. She's alive after all and in my phone book. I'd gladly abort a child if it meant saving her life. Stan, I'm thinking you only like fetuses because they're the only ones who don't argue with you.

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28Eric(207 comments)posted 7 years ago

Stan, in a past post you supported a mob beating down a man WHO WAS NOT EVEN YET CHARGED WITH A CRIME (a.k.a., an innocent person), and went so far as to advocate beating anyone suspected of a crime. Now you are on here claiming that abortion is killing the "innocent without consequencess." You need to get your story straight. I agree with epicfail. It seems like the only lives that you value are the ones who haven't lived long enough to make a mistake (or even get accused of one). Than the minute that happens...let the mob beat them to death.

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29metrodawg(70 comments)posted 7 years ago

If you "avenge" murder with murder, what's the difference? The bottom line is: you will NEVER stop abortion. They took place before they were legal, and they will take place if they become illegal again. If you are really concerned as to the plight of a child: ADOPT!!!

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30Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

"let the mob beat them to death."

Lurk around my place for a second chance to do it all again and see if I lift a finger to save you from the mob. Like I said in a previous post,"THE POLICE WERE THIS MANS BEST FRIEND". I am more into victims rights than criminals rights. It is ironic that we slay the most innocent (unborn) and we give special rights to murderers and rapists. This man should have called 911 for protection before arriving back at the scene . :)

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31Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 7 years ago

How come all the right to lifers call it murder and therefore justify themselves being a murderer. However, I never seen one of them outside a convicted murderers trial trying to kill them. Or is it only murder for the unborn and not the guy that kills a child? Seems to me if you want to call it murder and and believe those who commit it should also be murdered then you freaks should be patroling parts of Youngstown and shooting the shooters. Or you to busy protesting the death penalty for the murderers?

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32Eric(207 comments)posted 7 years ago


So what if I was actually innocent? And to go further, I wasn't even charged with anything, but rather just a person of interest? Then I would also be a victim. You couldn't know if I was guilty or innocent until the trial was concluded.

That just makes my point. You are so concerned about an unborn fetus, yet you do not extend that same concern to the welfare of a living, breathing human being.

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33Realist(62 comments)posted 7 years ago

The actions of Scott Roeder and the people who don't approve of it but "understand" why he did it make me sick to my stomach. The problem that really sticks out is that these people can justify the murder of an innocent man in their brainwashed minds. He was doing his job, he didn't advertise in the newspaper and offer coupons for abortions, individuals made their own choice to have this procedure done.

These types of radicals are NO DIFFERENT than the radicals who planned and executed the 9/11 attacks. The terrorists also claim that this is god's work therefore it is ok, what a bunch of bs, they will only read the parts of their holy book that pertain to this action and not try to understand the whole message. These hardcore religious folks scare me in the same way Al Queda does.

I am not against believing in something if it gets you through the day but you have your own brain, use it once and awhile to come up with your own thoughts and opinions, not just the ones given to you by the invisible man in the sky or Bill O'Reilly.

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34Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

Abortion is the murder of the most innocent. I find it ironic the the pro abortionists talk about the rights of a rapist when he was beat by a mob but avow that the unborn has no rights.

" I am more into victims rights than criminals rights."

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35andersonathan(683 comments)posted 7 years ago

Tiller charged up to 5K for a late term abortion.

He committed over 6 thousand abortions.

Since roe vs wade over 49 million abortions have taken place [on record] Only a little over 6 abortionist been murdered.

Tiller was a Usher and long standing member of a Lutheran denomination church. A evangelical branch [do not quote me on it] Same branch of Lutheran Timothy McVeigh was attending.

So abortionist murdered in church I find ironic, i also will not loose one bit asleep over it.

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36Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 7 years ago

So a baby that was two months away from being born is "more innocent" then a two month old baby? It seems that everyone is saying abortion is wrong because its murder, Its ok tho if everyone kills each other after birth. BTW I am pro-choice (incase you didnt guess) But I do not beleive it to be a method of birth control.

1.a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

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37Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 7 years ago

only the first two sentences pertain to your comment the others pertain to the story. Sorry I didnt state that in my post.

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38Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

"BTW I am pro-choice (incase you didnt guess) But I do not beleive it to be a method of birth control."

What is it then? Doing what is best for the baby? You have already opinionated yourself that the unborn have no rights.

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39Eric(207 comments)posted 7 years ago


I never said I was pro-abortion (pro-choice). I am just pointing out the obvious. You express so much concern about innocent fetuses, but you don't care one bit about innocent adults. Innocent until proven guilty, even though obviously you don't agree with that thinking.

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40Ytownnative(1121 comments)posted 7 years ago

Ok i have a couple of scenarios.
1. Rape
2. incest
3. Severe birth defects
4. Mom and baby will die

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41Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

"Innocent until proven guilty"


What do you suggest? Put the mob on trial and leave him go scott free? He got swift street justice. Will he come back for more? I doubt it. Do I have any sympathy for him? Not a chance!

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42OldFashionedMama(77 comments)posted 7 years ago


I do not condone murder. It is unfortunate that Dr. Tiller was brought to justice in that way, but that is how it happened. Whether he died in a car accident, of natural causes, or was shot by some extremist wacko, my point is that Dr. Tiller is finally GONE and no longer able to continue killing babies. THAT is what I thank God for.

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43Eric(207 comments)posted 7 years ago

I never said he should go scott free. You need to read what is written, instead of your own perception. But that mob doesn't know if he is guilty or not. The mob should be arrested and then judged by a jury of their peers, just like the alleged rapist will be. Believe it or not, police and prosecutors do arrest innocent people.

Stan, you need to be arrested one of these days for a crime you didn't commit. Then I bet your attitudes will change.

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44Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years ago

"Stan, you need to be arrested one of these days for a crime you didn't commit. Then I bet your attitudes will change."

What will they arrest me for? Promoting murder aka abortion? Oh,they can't as that isn't against the law.

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