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Youngstown cops suspended for fighting one another



Published: Wed, June 3, 2009 @ 3:00 p.m.

YOUNGSTOWN — A physical altercation between two sergeants in the Youngstown Police Department will mean time away from work for three officers in the department.

Police Chief Jimmy Hughes said the department has wrapped up an extensive investigation into a March altercation between Sgt. James Pasquale and Sgt. John Payne.

He said each officer will be given between three and five days off work depending on whether they attend anger management counseling.

Lt. William Centric, supervisor in charge at the time of the altercation, also will serve a three-day suspension. He is not required to attend anger management counseling.

All three men will be suspended without pay, but Payne and Centric will have the option of using vacation time to account for the suspension, police officials said.

For the complete story, see Thursday’s Vindicator and Vindy.com


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1CassAnn(252 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

That's real classy- they take other people to jail for the SAME thing. They should have been FIRED.

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2babs68(58 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

For Real??? I mean...where are they practicing patience...?

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3Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

They should be arrested for "Assault on a Police Officer".

What does assaulting a police officer mean?
Assault is generally defined as an attempt to commit battery. Assault on a police officer is assault committed on a peace officer responsible for perserving public order, promoting public safety, and preventing and detecting crime.

Are There Increased Punishments For Assault On A Police Officer?
In general, most states will enhance the fine and jail time punishment for an assault on a police officer. Under some state laws, assault on a police officer will be elevated to aggravated assault. Aggravated assault also comes with a much stiffer penalty than simple assault.

State laws will usually differ, but most states require that in order to be considered an assault on a police officer, the officer needs to be in the discharge of his duties and the assaulting person must reasonably be aware that s/he is a police officer.

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4Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Aw cmon Vindy, lets include what the fight was about. The more news the better !

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5shadowman(67 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

They should both be treated just like anyone else who would get into a fight with a police officer. When civilians get into a fight they are usually cited for disorderly conduct. At the very least these officers, who are suppose to uphold the law, should be charged with the same.

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6paulydel(1295 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

You know its funny how we want to crusify these guys. I wonder how many fights they have had to break up and how many were let go and sent on their way? Not everything results in an arrest it depends on the circumstances.

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7Eric(196 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I agree with pauly. Just because a couple of guys get into a fight doesn't mean they necessarily have to be arrested, cops or not.

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8Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

The fight is no big deal but the public has a right to know what they were fighting about. :)

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9allstar720(253 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

wow lets all bash the cops now... these are tough people doing tough people work. people fight amongst team members all of the time. anyone who's played football has been there. leave them alone. i wouldn't have let it get into the news myself.

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10Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Well IF they were on duty, then they should be fired, if I got into a fight at work, I would be walked out the door and terminated. These are professionals, not athletes, and if they fight amongst themselves on duty then they should be treated like a normal citizen.

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11sweatpea(122 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

I know some area cops-most are very good people-but some are real turds. Their jobs suck, the Mayor of Ytown thinks 28k is a burden on the city!! No one ever invites them for dinner-they're only invited to see the body-BUT they need to keep their crap to a minimum. I may be going out on a limb here, but this altercation was "significant" enough for an official department statement and at least a 2 month + long investigation-if I can use the Vindy's thourough description as my documentation. I doubt if this falls under the Mayor's zero tolerance (aka fundraising) program? . One punch at my work it's bye bye time!!! One thing is certain, just another example of the Ytown recipe take any public officlal / department mix in the option of a right choice and a wrong choice, sprinkle some cash and voila......a bucket of crap appears!

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12CassAnn(252 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

It's not about cop bashing- It's about holding those who are supposed to uphold the law to the same or even BETTER standards than everyone else. They are sworn to uphold the law, they should lead by example.

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13YoOhM47(6 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Lets see...3-5 days without pay equates to a monetary loss of $750.00 to $1250.00. How many of you that have been before the court on a first time assault charge ever came even remotely close to getting a fine in that amount? The fact is...THEY were placed on a higher standard and have paid a much hefiter fine for it.

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14opddad(61 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

You have two Sgts. and a Lt. In other words two Supervisors and their Supervisor...fighting? Even if it wasn't a physical altercation, it created enough attention to cause an internal investigation. What about the rank and file officers? They are the ones making all the arrests, trying to make Youngstown a better place, not these three knuckleheads. They must have had too much time on their hands and got bored with each other. Now that the investigation is complete, does this mean these three will be going to the Prom after all? I don't think so! Whatever got these guys/girls going is still festering. Time to at the very least,..transfer all three to another assignment, like, the jail, patrol, front desk or out the door!

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15CassAnn(252 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh yeah! Big punishment there when they are allowed to use their vacation time and pay to cover it. YoOhm47, you are a genius! LOL

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16Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

Could'nt have said it better CassAnn...........lol

YoOhm47 you quoted:
Lets see...3-5 days without pay equates to a monetary loss of $750.00 to $1250.00.

I'm only bringing this up, because 2 of my co-workers got into a skirmish at work, just a month ago and they both were fired, right on the spot, and they were good workers, anyway no petty fine like the policemen, they now have 0 (ZERO) income over a skirmish! They were wrong, just like these men, but there unemployed over it, these men get a slap on the wrist and everyone feels bad for them! Unreal.......

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17apollo(1227 comments)posted 5 years, 4 months ago

The entire process is a scam. Cops do bad, internal investigation turns up minimal problems, slap on wrist. Is anyone surprised? It always ends this way. They should be held to a higher standard and it's just the opposite. Hard to tell the criminals from the law enforcement around here.

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