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Democrats won election, but America will lose

Published: Wed, January 21, 2009 @ 12:00 a.m.

Democrats won election, but America will lose


Democrats, are you familiar with the term “Pyrrhic victory?” If not, look it up, because you have just achieved one with the election of Barack Obama, and it would be nice if you knew what you had actually won.

America has been one of the most successful societies ever created. It is unique among counties because unlike other countries it was not born of a tribe but of an idea. The idea was simply that individuals living in a free state, unshackled by tribal loyalties, would, over time, create a just and prosperous society. This has been the dream of philosophers since the ancient Greeks. But for every thesis there is an anti-thesis. America’s anti-thesis is tribalism in all its forms.

The Democratic Party has mastered the art of tribalism. They have carved the nation into tribes: Black, Hispanic, rich, poor, middle class, unions, management, and then pitted one against the other. In most cases, these tribal conflicts are instigated by slanderous whisper campaigns that twist the truth and spin the lies. One doesn’t have to be a genius to see the dishonesty behind their rhetoric, but one must be willing to look.

Since FDR, the Democratic Party faithful has been unwilling to look. America is about to suffer for their blindness. They have allowed their leaders to stoke their hatreds, play on their guilt, and demand their loyalty all for some socialist ideal that has been tried by greater men in different times with the same result — failure. Not just benign failure, but catastrophic collapse as was experienced in Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, and to a lesser extent, Europe.

Democrats have elected a black man to the highest office in the land — proof that our founding fathers were correct, freedom breeds justice. Unfortunately, he is a socialist, a devotee of the entitlement mentality, which is the product of a tribal culture. He does not see this crisis as an opportunity to reinvigorate the American dream, as FDR and Ronald Reagan did. He sees it as a chance to implement his socialist ideology, which is the antithesis of that American idea. If he succeeds, like Pyrrhus of Epirus, our children will curse this victory. And someday, Americans will regret the blindness of their forefathers the way we once marveled at the wisdom of ours.



Where are the city’s plows?


One question: why aren’t the Youngstown side streets plowed when we have such an excess of snow? Living in one of the townships, our roads appear to be plowed within “minutes” of the fallen snow (no complaints).

If the city of Youngstown needs more trucks, more slag, more salt, can our suburbs help out?

I spend a great deal of time in the city, and it is sometimes impossible to reach my destinations due to unplowed side streets. And, what about emergency vehicles?

Some of these residents may be unable to go to work, school, etc. due to unplowed streets.


Canfield Township


1apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Ahhh, Maskell and his usual anti-Democrat rants! Amazing how after 8 years of Bush, Republicans can claim that Democratic policies are bad! Have they not seen the effects of Bush's policies? Are they in denial about the current fiscal mess. Funny how the 2 worst recessions of the last 100 years have both been caused by Republican policies.

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2Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Explain to the poor, oppressed and those who have suffered for decades in 'Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, and to a lesser extent, Europe'
how simply electing someone is our prelude to 'suffering' when the car had already been put in the ditch.

Finally. Mercifully. Astonishingly. Incredibly. The insane adventure in national suicide known as the Bush administration has at last come to an end.

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3JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Poland seems like a really inclusive place though, right?

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4Morbidcherub(30 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Wow. Talk about the pot and the kettle. Democrats harbor hate? Democrats want different classes? Oh, Im sorry. I must have been asleep the last 8 years and merely DREAMED that the middle class was disappearing completely, widening the gap between the haves and the have nots. I must have imagined the hatred spewed by numerous Republicans in the name of religion. Dude, seriously? Just shup up. You are making yourself look stupid.

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5Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

The Obama era will not be a live up to expectations for those who voted for him. He already has stated that one of his main objectives is to put a heavy tax on the coal industry to lessen the use of coal. CO2 emissions and global warming are his stated reasons. There is no indication that he will expand drilling in the USA for gas and oil. A higher federal tax on gasoline and fuel oil are on his agenda. Look for higher payroll taxes on those who are working to keep those who have lost jobs from starving. Yes America is going to get change! Chump change!

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6Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

John Edwards' "Two Americas" speech in 2004 was the most divisive I've ever heard. It's us vs. them, these Americans vs. those Americans. Your life would be better if only you had what others have earned...

The strategy of making large numbers of Americans government-dependent has changed the electoral demographics forever. The government-dependent will support those who provide them the most gifts from the public treasury. Self-reliance has been redefined as "hateful" speech.

It is a dangerous thing for a government to punish productivity and reward slothfulness. Surprise, surprise, the GDP will fall and government expenditures will rise. This is not rocket science.

Shame on those who've hurt America and her future for the sake of political gain. I'm refering to the DNC and also the GOP (DNC Lite).

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7apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

The Government has been rewarding slothfulness and punishing productivity but not in the sense Nonsocialist thinks.

The Government has allowed jobs, especially good paying jobs to leave the US, while non-producers who have run the financial system into the ground using accounting gimmicks, have been rewarded handsomely. So while government bails out AIG, Citi, JP Morgan, and other such scam artists, but they won't bailout the guy who works hard but lost his job to China and is now watching his house being foreclosed.

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8clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Clark, the amnesia is building, sit back and watch it for awhile.

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9DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

What's really entertaining and simultaneously sickening, is that the partisan posts here reflect the real problem in America. The politicians (all politicians) have taken over and are riding the country down a fast path of destruction.
If that is not clearly obvious to you then sit back and enjoy the ride. If it is, then sit back and enjoy the ride anyway.
They have us right where they want us.

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10apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

You got to love the Republicans trying to blame the community reinvestment act for the current financial crisis. It's their only way to circumvent blaming the Republicans for the mess.

The truth is the current mess is a result of Credit Default Swaps and Mortgage Backed Securities and had nothing to do with the CRA.

The Bush SEC allowed the investment banks to issue unregulated INSURANCE (credit default swaps) that eventually costs the system trillions. They call them CDS's to circumvent insurance regulations.

The Bush SEC also allowed Bernis Madoff to bilk 50 billion.

But, keep trying to blame the Democrats through completly false claims. Rush must have told you that!

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11VINDYAK(1812 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Although it is very early, some people feel Obama is starting off well and, for the sake of our country, I hope he is successful. I am not a supporter, but I am concerned about the state of our economy (which tanked during the elections) and how our children and families will adjust. I have noted some positives in Obama's search for answers, such as meeting with conservatives for their views. My greatest fear is of the people around him that are advising him and the 500 million dollars in donations that will be looking for returns on their investment. This is not the time for politics or paybacks, it is time for doing the right thing. How Obama handles all of this will determine where history places him on the ladder of successful Presidents.

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12Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Obama has a very poor perception of economics to bring about any measurable amount of prosperity during his term or terms in office. We will be sitting here in the USA watching the world go by on their journey to prosperity.

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13Heard_it_all_before(62 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Ideologies aside, isn't this really just a classic case of a politician and a party orchestrating a victory by playing strategically to what people (voters) want to hear? It is cyclical - remember the "throw the bums out" movement a few years ago? The good went out with the bad and we paid the price with what was sometimes worse than those we got rid of. I hope the other, more cerebral posters are right in their passionate arguments for and against Mr. Obama. That there are deep, fundamental themes at issue. I can't help but fear that Obama's message of hope and his inclusive personal style merely represented what we all would like to believe in rather than what is really going to happen. Many who take on the task of tilting at windmills in D.C. end up owning the failed dreams of Americans who wanted to believe that rapid and dramatic change is possible. I voted for him and sincerely hope he can persevere against the entrenched bureaucratic monolith that is federal government. His cabinet and closest advisers may end up like the above posts - polarized and perhaps paralyzed by disagreement born of deep personal belief. No criticism - who is to say which view is the "best"? Unfortunately, that may leave Obama essentially alone when faced with the final decisions. It is impossible to be all things to all people. Still, I cling to hope - no matter the odds, it is better than despair.

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14Rocco(99 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Thank you Clark for your intelligent posts, i never have the time to do that. I have to work for a living.

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15Rocco(99 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

and thank you Thomas Maskell, my thoughts completely. you took the words out of my mouth. what this man has done in the last 24 hours makes me even more upset and i have absolutely no doubt in my mind his presidency will be a disaster, look what he has done already. OMG the man's insane!!!!

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16clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Hey Grump, you might like it even better if they move the "nice guys" from Gitmo to our local prison. At least if they are in our backyards we can keeps tabs on them and now that so called "torture" has been eliminated, we can give them a big hug and a kiss before they destroy us.This is just wonderful....what happened to America?

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17paulydel(1444 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I am a lifelong Democrat but unlike some people who would rather be a parret and repeat what they hear from other people that don't now what they are talking about I would rather got to the source. President Bush didn't bring down the world economy OPEC and the oil companies did. they pushed the prices up and caused people to use more of their disposable income for gas and that let everything else go. Our tax system no longer works we need a flat tax which would be fair to everyone not what we are doing now. We don't need the IRS anymore because the laws are old and you can't get the same answer from them if you talk to different people about the same question. We couls pay off the defict and have cheap interest rates too.

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18scrooge(563 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I have to weigh in on several points from previous posts on this thread:

1st and foremost: Martin Luther King Jr. is rolling over in his grave with the way Obama is being portrayed. His lifelong dream was to have a world that saw people - not white people, black people.....just people. Yet on the day after his celebrated birth our country as more firmly embraced the white/black culture by trumpeting the "first black president". Local and national news went out of their way to interview predominantly all black citizens asking how they feel to finally have a black man in the whitehouse. They went so far as to even interview professional basketball players how they felt! Did they ask these same people how they feel about Bush's stimulus plan or the effects of global warming? NO.
And why is it the daylong worshiping of Obama barely (if at all) mentioned his mother who was WHITE? Instead they focused on his father WHO LEFT HIM and was black.
We are in one of the most severe economic crisis ever, yet we spent over $170M (over 4x the amount that was reported as being frivolous in 2004 for Bush) on a friggin party?
Will the same pundants who saw no problem with this grotesque expense see no problem doing the same thing for the first female.......if she's a Republican?

Clark did an excellent job explaining the mortgage crisis and economic crisis. for those of you who want to dismiss it, just pull old news reports. He is right on. 2004 Bush warned of a possible FNMA, FDMC colapse, yet Senator Harry Reed (Reid?) stood by and said the companies were fine, no need to panic. These are the same people Obama will have advising him on economic policies???

Bush's tax cuts: Top 50% of taxpayers pay 97% of all taxes. The top 25% pay 86% (up 84% from 2000) and the top 1% pays 39% (also up 2% from 2000). By the way, those numbers can be verified in the Wall Street Journal and IRS.
The rich are paying MORE taxes since the cuts than they did BEFORE. In 1980 when the top tax rate was 70% (just about where Obama wants it to go back to)The top 1% of tax payers payed less than half the taxes they do now at 35%.

The Democrats basically dictated policy for 6 years of the Bush administration and look at the results - excessive spending. Now that they have full control lookout for what is to come.

I'll stop now since some of you Democrats and Obama supporters will probably have to read this very slowly and several times to comprehend the numbers.

Oh, one more thing...
I think the plows are in North Carolina plowing the roads to the beach so the mayor can visit the vacation home this weekend........just a thought.

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19clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Bravo!, Scrooge! And I only had to read it once! Good Job!

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20apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Let me see if I get ClarkKents logic. The CRA, which came into existence decades ago and then was changed in 1999 by Phil Gramm, Leach, and Bliley, 3 Republicans, then the country went through a period of prosperity based on housing but the crash that we are currently in the midst of is caused by people who should never have gotten home loans? Even though those people aren't really the cause of the crash because they aren't the ones defaulting. Wow, what you have to believe to be a Rush Limbaugh fan is simply stunning.

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21scrooge(563 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Appolo, you need to dig a little deeper on this to try to understand;
Bush asked for an oversite commitee to keep tabs on Fannie and Freddie due to the leverage they had accumulated on primarily sub-prime loans. He was worried that if these loans defaulted it could collapse the economy. Your democratic leaders chastised him as being racist (since it appeared a large percentage of these loans were given to minorities) and that Fannie/freddie were both strong and fine as-is. Fast forward 6 years to the sub-prime collapse-which in turn caused the prime market to suffer, banks to fail, etc. so clarkkent was EXACTLY right. Carter started the program which incouraged the banks to lend with little/no money down and to borrowers with marginal (or worse) credit.
But heck, lets blame it on Bush. Everything that is or will go wrong for the next 4-8 years (however long it takes to get a republican back in the white house)will be Bush's fault. The drive-by media blamed Katrina on him remember? The guy is a god fearing man, but I doubt he has the infulence to get him(her) to destroy parts of the US for approval ratings. Get informed!

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22dagoat64(38 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Scrooge, why waist your time on trying to explain politics to people who have short term memories, it is always going to be Bush's fault, even though the dems have been running congress for the last 4 years. I.e. House majority leader Nancy Palosi?. She is a republican right?.

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23clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I do believe that Nancy Pelosi is from Illinois, she is the long lost twin of the Blago guy, same hair-do, same mentality. She looked good the other day sitting next to Obama without her make-up on...maybe she wanted to emphasize her whiteness. You did good, Scrooge, but do you think these people will believe the facts?

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24clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Freedom of speech. Ever heard of it,allstar?

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25scrooge(563 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Obama stimulus package includes $200 million to plant grass. GRASS!!! (not the kind that would make us all forget the trouble we're in). Funny thing is that he'll claim he "created" 1000 jobs or whatever for the 15 minutes it takes to spread it-then back to the unemployment lines.
Now THAT is leadership!!

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26VINDYAK(1812 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Maybe that "grass" is a special canabis seed that grows to 6 feet tall and they can sell it to pay off the national debt after all this is over with.

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27Rocco(99 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I will give Hussein 6 months for his popularity to plummet to 30% and by years end it will be even lower. Betcha. I give more credit to Americans, be they left or right, to have the common sense to see what is truly going on here. SOCIALISM!!!! Wake up America.

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28akcolucc(1 comment)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

You're all a bunch of idiots. Let the man do his job before you burn him at the stake. It seems like no matter what he does he's damned by you people.

I use little words so both democrats & republicans can understand: Both parties of full of money-hungry politicians. There is no one best or better than anyone else. They do not care about you or me or if you're black or white or, like most people commenting here, your head is up your bum. They just want re-elected. That's it. End of story.

The economy tanked with the Republicans, so let the Democrats it for awhile. It's give and take, people. You should watch more than Fox News and listen to more than Rush Limbaugh.

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29erasmus(3 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

And are you, Mr. Maskell, familiar with the term "irony"? Your own tribal loyalties are abundantly clear. Party talking points dressed up in bombastic rhetoric are still just party talking points.

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30Rocco(99 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Isn't it ironic that the only conservative leaning network is Fox, you lib's own all the rest of them. Talk about greedy, you all take the cake. Socialism is neigh if not here already. Hussein wants to pull the plug on what little media we conservatives have left. He is pathetic. I don't believe for a minute he was born in the USA. That truth will come out, it's inevitable. No other president in our history has sealed his birth and college records from the public. It will be something when he is exposed. Stock up on your ammo when that happens as there will be race riots all over America.

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31wearepack(26 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Clayor's my favorite super-blogger. Who's yours?

Rocco is a close second. He's afraid of "Socialism" and foreigners and that makes my heart warm.

They should make trading cards.

Can we have an all-star break where we pick the best posts from all the greatest bloggers?

It'll be called: "Vindy All Star Break 09: Where all the Scared Hill Folk Talk Big From Their Desk Chairs and then Watch Hannity."

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