Majority voted for change

Sorry Mike, I didn't vote for that kinda "change", if you know what I mean.

Sorry mike....still the same old scripted, twisted,uninformed and outright ignorant self serving liberal rhetoric. Fyi....CHANGE...should be well planned and very calculated before it is administered. it must be checked and rechecked and thought out completely with virtual no mistakes if possible. How the hell do you spew out ideas and ram it down peoples throats when you dont even have the specifics or plan completely figured out??? You just do it cause.....well...at least its a change....???Theres too much at stake!!!! Are you people really that incredibly so naive and that stupid??? your reckless and infintile approach to solving our countries porported ills is alarming!!!
If you liberals want socialized medicine...government control of your lives....and flushing your freedom down the toilet....MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY COMMRADE

P.S... As far as a Majority of the population voting for change and that 2 bit swaggering chicago wanna be hood disgracing the office of president....a majority of the majority of these people are of lower intelligence and have an entitlement fetish. They will not DO......they only...WANT!!!! So you qualify your statements with this...that our fates should ride on the shoulders of THESE prople....ARE YOU SERIOUS?? Hey...weeds are a representitve of plants too!!!! But we get rid of them......

Mr. Perlee.....Great letter. All you can do is laugh at the sore losers that see nothing but doom and gloom and are afraid of any progress or change. They are content to let corporations and their right wing representatives/puppets in Washington guide them blindly through life, Thankfully that group is shrinking with every election. Obama is truly the right guy at the right time.

CAMBRIDGE:

"Obama is truly the right guy at the right time."

"They are content to let corporations and their right wing representatives/puppets in Washington guide them blindly through life"

PRIVATE INDUSTRY HAS EMPLOYED ME ALL OF MY WORKING DAYS . The left wingers have targeted my earnings with more and more taxes every year . I must be missing something as I can't think of anything to be thankful to the left for .

Liberals flushing freedoms down the toliet? LOL...there has been no president who has restricted freedoms like G.W. Bush. Librarians can't tell anyone if the government monitors the books library users check out...innocent civilians are denied access to airplanes...the government secretly listened in on Americans' private, domestic phone calls...the famous "sneak and peek" warrants. I could go on, but anyone who experienced the Bush administration knows what I am talking about.

What freedoms are you talking about Obama flushing down the toliet? Anything you can come up with won't even begin to compare to the tyranny that Bush hoisted upon us.

Stan the Man Unusual....I am not against corporations. I am a capitalist. What I am against is the government creating an environment that encourages some corporations to rip off consumers and taxpayers while making billions in profit.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. Dick Cheney a man with no corporate experience is made CEO of Halliburton. Since then he has been involved with Halliburton getting government contracts worth billions all over the world including billions of no bid contracts in Iraq. Cheney received at least 85 million dollars for his favors. Halliburton moved many of it's headquarters out of the United States to avoid paying taxes on the free money given them by U S taxpayers.

Stan, I would love it if you would comment on this Cheney/Halliburton partnership and if you think it is fair to the U S taxpayer. I know that's not going to happen. You'll either ignore the question, go into some rant about something unrelated or say that Obama putting a stop to that sort of practice is the path to socialism.

http://www.citizenworks.org/corp/warc...

I was wondering if all the people who hate social programs so much would mind giving up their medicare & social security when they hit 65? What amazes me is how when someone speaks out in favor of HR3200 they sound poised, elegent and intelligent (thank you, Mr. Prelee), but get tiraded; while those who oppose it sound, well, I don't need to tell you how they sound. The "Tea Party Patriots" began their crusade before Independence Day this year, and does anyone really know what they are asking for??? What they are in favor of??? Do they support any legislation? Are they looking to do anything to improve the obvious crises all around??? I guess I AM naieve, because I didn't want to believe that in this, the greatest country in the world, people would openly propagandize hate and bigotry... ...and they put swastikas and Hitler faces on the Obama posters???? What role models for our children!

mom2boys:

Expanded social programs will devour so much capital that there will be no money left for the workers at retirement time who will be taxed heavily to fund the programs . I take it that you have no job and rely on social programs .

Mike,
President Obama has the votes in the House and Senate, so why does your 'Trail Blazer & Chief' not have a bill waiting to be signed on his desk? Because the majority of Americans are satisfied with the coverage they have, and are aware of the ineptitude of the federal government to run any type of program relating to business(ie, USPS, Amtrak, Medicare, or Medicaid).
Why not start with small change programs, and use the successes as models for broader reform? Possibly catastrophic coverage or health savings accounts for those 10,000,000 to 11,000,000 truly uninsurable in this country.
Tort reform would be another idea to lower medical malpractice costs to the doctors. Those higher costs are passed on to the insurance companies who in turn charge higher premiums to the policy holders. A true leader, especially an attorney, would realize this should be a key component to successful health care reform. Hey wait a minute, maybe President Obama skipped that class in law school...
Our political leaders inside the beltway need to do what is right for the country, not their own political interests. Mike, you cannot truly believe that America would be better by growing the size of the government with a hulking health care program. Start with small changes that work, then poll numbers might not continue to plummet!!

The Pot Stirrer

Rocky14,

It comes from your medicare and social security, the federal reserve, japan, china, and treasury investors...

You've been paying higher 'inflation taxes' for years because of it. The value of the dollar you hold has gone down by roughly 1/3 since 2000. That would mean by simply holding dollars, or having to pay higher prices for commodities and services you have been paying for it.

Politicians would rather debase the value of the currency you hold rather than be honest and say you're gonna have to send a bigger check to the IRS. It's a lot more popular when it's 'free' money that has been printed up.

Search....The Feds are looking into a program to trade the Federal Reserves gold for cash. It could be the answer.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video...

mom2boys,
Hypothetical,but this is how socialism(you seem to be an advocate like others that post here) works. Your one son (George) rakes leaves and does other odd jobs around your neighborhood and earns around $40.00 each weekend. When he gets home you make him give $20.00 to your other son (Barry). Now how long will it take to see which son doesn't like this arrangement? Chances are George will quit working and wait for someone else to give him something for nothing. Or how about this scenario. Barry and George's little friend Cambridge comes over to play. Now little Cambridge isn't too bright,but he decides to take half of your son's toys home with him because he doesn't have any of his own. I'm sure your going to let poor little ol stupid Cambridge take home those toys because you feel sorry for him. It doesn't matter that you paid for those toys with your earnings and poor little ol stupid Cambridge's parents don't work and therefore doesn't have any toys. Now you'll feel good that poor little ol stupid Cambridge has exactly what your kids have without any sacrifice from him or his family. You see I'm a little different. I say to poor little ol stupid Cambridge drop the toys and go earn your own money to buy your own toys. And I'll feel real good too.

Stan, I take it that you have no job and rely on social programs. There is no way a person could hold down a 40 hour a week job and comment here as much as you do.

Thanks for the great letter, Mike. You get it.

Mike you need to get to a hospital quickly all that Kool Aid is not good for ones mentality.

You think you voted for change, but in reality mike you voted for some unknown reason for a ACORN community organizer with about 200 days experience as a Senator and one who has no-none-zilch executive experience.

You voted out GWB that is all you did. It was driven into your small cranium by every network every magazine, newspaper, TV talk show. Every cable news show except FOX News and Conservative radio.

Mike in two years it took him to convince in the end super delegates to even win him the nomination. Hilary swept the major states, yet his lead in all small states and public zeal and Pelosi hating the Clinton's was all it took.

Do the words Democracy Alliance, George Soros, media matters. Remember this first promise of public funding Obama went back on to run the election. Remember over 200-300 million in under 200 dollar donations. Yet you fell for Hopey Changey and Yes We Canny? And a good speech that involved fainting and tingles down the leg. Now you want the other what 47 million to say OK we lost have at it.

This kills me that there are people that still think like you do. He has supported abortion, infanticide, closing Gitmo, escalated in Afghanistan . Which is in the news that I read that war will cost more than Iraq be longer and more violent.

Yet some place you want cap and trade like that won't cost us dearly in jobs, taxes and utilities. Upset people are protesting Obama Care saying NO to socialism. Standing up for their rights. And your party [D] want to toss religion in the mix of things. Well I will tell you what toss religion in it and say God wants us to have obamacare is about the most ignorant thing i have ever heard from a party that supports abortion. Or from a president that can sit 20 years in a church like Jeremiah Wrights.

So if your so "Proud for the first time in you life to be a American"
Because you won and want us to deal with it. The list is long Bucko.
On why this is going to be the quickest 4 years a president ever had. And then we are going to run him back to Kenya or to ACORN or to some other socialist country that will take him and begin real change
in this country. And the next guy and i will include congressmen and senators and governors had better start listen to the people, the little guy not the lobbyist or Czars

Today's approval rating was a minus that is negative 14
I will show you a graph if you don't understand.

Blah Blah Blah! Heard it all before. Nobody with a brain is buying that crap anymore.

"Well I will tell you what toss religion in it and say God wants us to have obamacare is about the most ignorant thing i have ever heard from a party that supports abortion. Or from a president that can sit 20 years in a church like Jeremiah Wrights"

Obama has met and exceeded all of my expectations . None of his actions or lack thereof surprise me .

Eric:

"Stan, I take it that you have no job and rely on social programs. There is no way a person could hold down a 40 hour a week job and comment here as much as you do."

This is my job as I have delegated myself to it . So I take it that you are still looking for work ? How could I apply for those social programs that you rely so heavily upon ?

Great letter! I voted for change along with the overwhelming majority. Part of the change that I voted for was healthcare reform. I would like to see some of these ridiculous lies going on in the tea parties and town hall protesters to stop. By the way, when I was a little girl, my dad used to watch a lot of westerns. I would see a lot of men in those movies walking around with guns strapped on their sides and thought to myself how scarey it would have been to live in that uncivilized time. Now I see it going on at town hall protests and I am petrified. I don't want to see this country turn into the "wild west" where you walk around and everyone has a gun strapped on. Come on people!

Kellie be careful, you're starting to sound like Cambridge. How about the lie Obama is spreading at town halls that AARP has endorsed his plan? He's also been scaring everyone since day one in order to advance his not very well thought out ideas. Yet when us intelligent people try and answer back using scare tactics, you'll don't like it. You're petrified that you saw one instance of a person carring a perfectly legal weapon (Arizona) at a protest. How about the "wild west", the "wild east", the "wild north", the "wild south" sides of Youngstown where it seems everyone has a gun or should. This is democrat territory and where your "overwhelming majority" came from. You're a hypocrite. Unite with Cambridge and his ilk and start your own polar opposite of MENSA.

Stan:

"This is my job as I have delegated myself to it."

What does that mean?? Are you saying you get a paycheck for making multiple comments on Vindy every day? That doesn't sound like a very productive job to me.

And no Stan, I don't have access to any social programs, nor do I want access to any. In fact, given my age and health status, I wouldn't have access to any even if I wanted to. I work for a living. That is obviously something you don't do.

You know, cambridge you have to watch this video for awhile before you realize that it is a joke. Since Geithner, "the guy that couldn't figure out Turbo Tax" thought it up it would be a possible option. Didn't Obummer give him some menial little job? I think it had to do with collecting unpaid taxes.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/u_...

Uhh. Borylie,
Since you are obviouslly not in AARP, let me tell you why Obama made that slip up.

Actually I wasn't even a member when I got their internet blitz to sign a petition in support of the House Health Care Reform bill.

They had a form all ready for me to send to my legislators, already addressed.

So I also joined AARP. They may not have formally endorsed a particular bill yet, but they have been the proponents that lobbied for many of the provisions in the House Bill.

And just to be factual, there were a dozen people carrying weapons outside the convention of The Veterans of Foreign Wars, where the President was appearing.

The veterans themselves were not comfortable about this protest, or whatever it was.

Actually Stan, according the the Catholic Bishops, God does want universal healthcare.

http://www.usccb.org/healthcare/

Here's a taste:

"Health care is not just another issue for the Church or for a healthy society. It is a fundamental issue of human life and dignity. Health care is a critical component of the Catholic Church’s ministry. The Church provides health care, purchases health care and picks up the pieces of a failing health care system. The Catholic community encounters and serves the sick and uninsured in our emergency rooms, shelters and on the doorsteps of our parishes. One out of six patients is cared for in Catholic hospitals. We bring both strong convictions and everyday experience to the issue of health care.

For decades, the Catholic bishops of the United States have been and continue to be consistent advocates for comprehensive health care reform that leads to health care for all, including the weakest and most vulnerable. The bishops want to support health care reform. We have in the past and we always must insist that health care reform excludes abortion coverage or any other provisions that threaten the sanctity of life.

Education,
You don't need to tell me anything, No matter how you want to spin it, it was misinformation or a lie. Just like you'll are accusing the protesters of doing. You also signed a petition for your support of a bill that you probably never read, a good chance your rep Good Time Timmy never read and the same for your emperor Obama. You followed blindly like countless others. AARP are proponents of a type of reform like most of us, not one that was hastily put together,not debated and surely one that Nancy Pelosi liked, which should put everyone including you on red alert. And if people were carrying weapons illegally, especially if the emperor was there, surely they would of been arrested and rightfully so. So if your being factual the exact number twelve packing heat must of been legal. Nothing wrong with legal or uncomfortable.

You're frothing at the mouth, borylie, slow down.

I'm not "spinning" anything. The President over-stepped and it was discourteous. He needs to be more careful.
The AARP asked me to send letters to my senators supporting the health care reform. They have been lobbying for it during the whole process.

Nancy Pelosi is a person, not some kind of magic word to scare me. She has actually not approved a final version of this bill either, since it has not come to a vote yet.

So you are doing the same thing the President did, claiming an endorsement where there has been no vote on it yet. See how easy it is to slip up?

As to the guns, yes they were legal, forcing the police to follow the guys around,:
"In response to the armed demonstrators in Phoenix, Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, called on the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights groups to tell their members to leave their weapons at home when attending presidential events.

"Individuals carrying loaded weapons at these events require constant attention from police and Secret Service officers, thus stretching their protective efforts even thinner," Helmke said.

"The possibility that these weapons might be grabbed or stolen or accidentally mishandled increases the risks of serious injury or death to all in attendance."

Calls to several NRA officials in Arizona were not returned."
http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog...
Check out this link for a non-partisan report:
http://www.abc15.com/content/news/pho...

Education you think too highly of yourself. Where did I mention anything about an endorsement, not alone claiming an endorsement? Of course the Health Care Reform Bill hasn't been voted on yet and there's not even a Senate version. So the emperor is out there selling something that doesn't have any details and not even close to a final reading? So what are you, a Google expert? All that hogwash is irrelevant to what I said in my previous post about all the guns in Youngstown. You want me to slow down? Why, because you can't keep up? Keep on trying to muddy the water, I'm still able to see through it all.

Well Eric:

"And no Stan, I don't have access to any social programs, nor do I want access to any. In fact, given my age and health status, I wouldn't have access to any even if I wanted to. I work for a living. That is obviously something you don't do."

I see that you aren't against liberals who sponge off the system . I was hoping to join their ranks to get some funding since my application for a corporate job at Giant Eagle hasn't been responded to yet. My keyboard letters are getting wore off again and I want to buy one with ivory inlay letters . My economic stimulus check hasn't arrived from Obama and I'm getting impatient .

"My economic stimulus check hasn't arrived from Obama and I'm getting impatient"

Very nice Stan :-)

Here's your words, borylie,
"surely one that Nancy Pelosi liked, which should put everyone including you on red alert."

endorsed = liked

So if the President had said the AARP "liked" the bill, it would have been okay? Because they do.

So there are over 1000 pages of details, too many for you, but at the same time you say the President is selling a plan with no details....Maybe it's just that you don't want to hear any discussion of details. I'm sure some provisions will change in compromise, but there is nothing wrong with the President explaining his position on them now.

A Google expert? Yeah I read sometimes. Do you object to understanding the incident? I think Kellie had a valid concern about weapons being brought to political events. Bringing up crime in Youngstown is irrelevant to that.

Everybody stop shouting at each other and ask yourselves 2 things. 1. Is government run healthcare constitutional? (if so, where?) 2. Can we pay for it? ( if so, how?) before you answer the second www.usdebtclock.org.
My third question is one i just thought of. Government has run out of money many times before and has threatened us with less police, fire, and letting prisoners go if they don't raise taxes. Wouldn't the government have us by the throat by saying "We won't be able to pay for your health care unless we raise your taxes"?

stoutmaster, you're obviously new to the boards if you think reason and logic appeals to everyone, especially a good number of people on these boards.

Also, even though they aren't going to directly say it, some don't believe in the Constitution or care if it's constitutional. They fall for that "it's a living document it can be whatever you want it to be" BS.

Stoutmaster,
If we cannot control health care costs, then we are going to lose more control of our incomes.
The American Medical Association, which physicians belong to, and the American Nurses Association both support the House Health Care Reform Bill for this reason,
Here are their FAQ pages about why:
doctors:
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/uplo...

nurses:
http://www.rnaction.org/site/DocServe...

Education,
Liked=Endorsed
This is why I will no longer debate you. You're not up to it.

That's good borylie since I didn't notice we were debating. I don't have any interest in a debate.

I guess I might have been too abbreviated (short) in my comment. Let's substitute a two syllable word for the one you used, okay?
"surely one that Nancy Pelosi endorsed which should put everyone including you on red alert."

original word:
"surely one that Nancy Pelosi liked which should put everyone including you on red alert."

hmmm. By the way you are missing a comma after the verb.

No Stan, I never said I was in favor of anybody sponging off of the system. And it is not just liberals who do it. There are Republicans who are also on SSDI, food stamps, and other programs.

I work and pay taxes. From your responses, that is something you don't do. That doesn't sound like much of a conservative to me. Go get a job and pay your share.

People, you are wasting your precious finger power. Anyone typing more than one paragraph is an idiot and should not even have a voice on here. Bottom line...75%+ of Mahoning County votes Democratic, no matter who the candidate is!

Alot of the obvious democrats/liberals, if not all, that have posted here have not once visited the issue of 'personal responsibility'. All that is mentioned is 'government program'.

Our government needn't be so big if people would take care of themselves.

i don't mind paying my share, as long as everyone shares equally and noone that abuses the system is allowed to remain entitled.

There are republicans that have offered solutions, the media just isn't going to report on it because it has no chance of passing when the democrats rule.

Eric:

"I work and pay taxes. From your responses, that is something you don't do. That doesn't sound like much of a conservative to me. Go get a job and pay your share."

I would like to transform myself into a liberal sponge and get some of my tax money back . From saying that you're not benefiting from the system you sound pretty savvy about it . I sure would like to get an Obama stimulus or grant to get that ivory inlaid keyboard . Maybe even get me a video professor disk so I can learn about computers . C'mon Eric tell me how I can sponge some money from the system .

When this thing blows-up, it is going to be ugly!

I think that the dem/libs will be looking for government intervention while the rep/cons are protecting what is rightfully theirs and kicking the sh-t out of anyone that tries to take it.

If you screw with people who feel they have nothing left to lose, they tend to lose it.

The dems might be able to get the public option through into law... but if they shove it down the throats of people, people are going to get crazy. I really believe Cap and trade along with public healthcare is what is going to cross the line for some of these people.

henry,
The problem here is that you already have a huge group with a gigantic "entitlement" attitude: the senior citizens.
So your contention that "i don't mind paying my share, as long as everyone shares equally" is like spitting into the wind.
Health care costs are going to eat up your whole family's budget if you find yourself going it alone.

So if there is government intervention here, it is to get everyone to share equally.

Hey guys....its futile. You will not convince or change these liberal puppets. They have been indoctrinated and given all the rhetoric, buzz words, and all the twisted logic that they will repeat over and over in their pathetic and desperate way. they will have an answer or an insult for everything that is said that doesnt fit their agenda! I know that as I write this and already know whatg they will say. Pity them and just wait. Cause when things get really bad...and they will as long as that incompetent, corrupt, egotistical, socialist dictator wanna be with dilusions of godhood disgraces the office of president.....we know who will be held responsible....what are they gonna say then???? Better find a place to hide now if they are smart....set and game!!!!

Some people particularly keynesians believe the government can create prosperity. The truth is the government can't because it is not a productive entity. It can only inhibit it or allow for prosperity, it cannot create it itself.

keynesianism completely ignores the effects of government debt and the crowding out effect. It assumes that stimulus creates lasting jobs and that the costs of stimulus is less than the benefits of the stimulus. If it were true then we would be doing a lot better than we are since we've been keynesians for a long time.... in the end it does nothing but create boom-bust cycles and destroys the dollar.

The government cannot control an economy as well as a market... think of how well the Federal Reserve has done in its history. The major accomplishments on its list is the Great Depression, The Great Inflation, the 2001 and the current recession have ties to failed Fed policies. Nonmarket control of an economy simply does not work, the market has proven that it is effective at resource allocation.

There have been alternative Healthcare plans presented. But when they are, libs shout them down. See the CEO of Whole Foods. He proposed an alternative and now the looney left is boycottig his stores.

What we must fear most is government getting too involved in the way we live. Our founding fathers wrote The Constitution to protect us from government.

I am against politicians who declare we must change and not propose a plan for that change, but expect us to fall in line like the good sheep that we are and trust them to do what is right for us. Politicians are never, never to be trusted. They are representatives for us, we should never bow down to them and be told what to do. Far too many politicians today act as though they are supreme leaders, squandering our money selfishly, and passing costly bills which drive up our debt.

Once a plan is in place and funding is provided, our government leaders will find a way to manipulate the plan as well as the funding, until the plan is no longer viable.

Example: Our government invented a plan (a tax) called Social Security to protect us in our retirement years. If our government leaders would have kept their hands out of Social Security and not spent the money, re-invested those funds, the plan would not be in the mess it is today. Your money, the money the government took out of your paycheck and an equal amount from your employer is gone. Spent. When we go to file for our Social Security Benefits, the money is not there, so the government takes money from other people and gives it to you. Now its called entitlement.

Do not trust what politicians promise...expect them to twist, change and plunder...then you will be wiser and our country will be better off.

People were never supposed to collect social security. When SS was passed in 1935 the age to collect benefits was 65, it has since been increased to 67. Life expectancy in 1935 was 60. Social Security was insurance for people who lived longer then they were suppose to.

Stan, I'll tell you how you can sponge money off of the system. Drive on the roads, use the schools, benefit from fire and police protection...wait a minute, you are already doing that. These are all things I am paying for and you are not. Get a job and pay taxes like everyone else. Pay for your own education (like I did) and quit complaining about everyone getting a handout except you. You are such a liberal-whining and complaining about everyone else instead of taking your own initiative.

Yeah the liberals usually are hypocritical like that. Take Ted Kennedy for example supporting windmills except when they are outside his own home.

ERIC:

"Get a job and pay taxes like everyone else."

Do you realize how few people on Youngstown pay hardly anything in taxes . Some with the highest incomes in town pay nothing . (CRACK DEALERS)

So are you a liberal that has no room for me at the feeding trough ?

I sure would like to get a grant or stimulus check so I could buy that ivory inlaid keyboard !

I never said I was a liberal. But I am also not a conservative nut job. I see both sides of things, and realize both sides have strengths and weaknesses. I know, you want your ivory inlaid keyboard, blah, blah. Get a job and buy it yourself.

I won't be able to comment again for a while, because I will be at work. You should try it.

Eric:

"I never said I was a liberal. But I am also not a conservative nut job."

Now we are getting the door to the truth vault pried open .

Working for the money to buy the keyboard may open the door to criticism . I was hoping to get one with a grant . This way I would be secure in the knowledge that Obamanomics is working .

Stan:

"Working for the money to buy the keyboard may open the door to criticism."

That makes no sense. Go get a job and support yourself.

And let's not forget...it was George W. Bush who took control of AIG in September for 85 billion. Then in October he signed his 700 billion for the banks. Then in December he gave 17 billion to the auto makers. So who is the socialist fool? Conservatives seem to have very short memories of the Bush administration actions.

Eric:

Bush is being outdone by Obama's spending by a large margin . My liberal friends tell me that only a fool would work for money while Obama is giving away lots of it . How could I possibly even consider working and retain their respect ?

This is what the libs/dems don't understand,I don't want republicans or the dems taking my earned money and giving it to who they want. The republicans have bought into the lib mantra and think they now have to buy votes.

The "majority" who voted for "change" were some of the most misinformed, easy-manipulated, clueless voters I have ever seen in my life. Millions went to the polls having no idea who Obama really was, what he meant by "change" (versus what they "hoped" he meant") and the root causes of the things that ticked them off in the first place.

Unfortunately, some STILL haven't figured it out. That doesn't mean the rest of us have to sit back quietly and watch our country become something it was never meant to be...

When the masses come to their senses, but hey wait a minute ! They never held the pole position in the spectrum of analysis ! Obama wakes up every morning thankful that the masses were easily swayed . Bush fatigue caused the torrents that swept Obama to power .

Those who voted for Obammer wanted change...and Obammer represented that in multple different ways...He spoke of change and physically represented that change. But thats it. He fed you what you wanted to see and hear. Its a joke...an absolute joke. And as more and more people are saying W.T.F, there will still be those tards who blindly follow. I dont see Obammer getting another term. Hope he enjoyed his date to France(i helped to pay for it!) cause I work for a living and cant afford a vacation. Im with Stan...wheres my piece of the poverty pie...oh, I dont meet the criteria cause I WORK!

pit_bull_ Marley...." I work for a living and cant afford a vacation."

Did you have that same crummy job before Obama was President or did he make you quit a good job and then make you take that one?

I have/had a good job. I have reposibilities. I have an education. Ive worked to get where I am just as Obammer did. I just dont lie like a politition which is what Obammer does(as do most all polititions do). Dont feed us 'I am for change' when you are no better and/or different than the rest. And nobody is paying the bill for my vacation...so since you believe in those ideals...share your wealth and send me on vacation...thanks

I was a blind democrat growing up. Just followed what my family believed. Then I went and got that there diplomer and learned something. And that is you no longer have anybody working for the middle class. They work for those without a job and for those that are wealthy and lie to those of us in the middle. Since that IS how it is, I would rather keep as much of my own money as I can. I hate being forced to throw money to others that do not work. GO WORK. Make your own cash. Get a job so you can have medical care. And I havent found one MD, RN, Therapist ect... that likes this plan at all.

Problem is 1) my taxes will incease because of it and 2)those rich provide jobs and will also pass there loss of income to me...the CONSUMER

The American Nurses Association, which represents 2.9 million nurses, is an enthusiastic supporter of the Obama Administration's Health Care Reform.
The AMA, which a third of the physicians in this country belong to, and which has long been the voice of physicians supports Health Care Reform.

Meanwhile, at least some Conservatives are speaking out against the wild-eyed claims that the far right wing has made in an attempt to worry Americans.
http://www.thenextright.com/jon-henke...