‘Tea party’ speakers urge Valley to ‘take back government’

What bothers me most is we are passing every legislative bill that comes before Congress, spending like there is no tomorrow, and chiding the people for raising objections.

What happened to the days of intelligence in Congress, or of listening to the people?

We should all fear the outcome of what our Congressmen are now doing. Voting them out in the next election will be too late.

There are bills going through congress that are so large and complex that they cannot be throroughly read nor understood when they come up for vote. Do we want politicians voting on the basis of a one-page synopsis and stirred-up emotions?

http://daveeriqat.wordpress.com/2008/...

I remember a time in days gone by that people from all walks of life knew the value of a dollar and would work for it . Today far too many want it all given to them . Somebody has to pay for what they are giving away . Sadly it will be on the backs of the workers who toil for everything they get who will be expected to pay for those who refuse to toil . If Obama gets his way taxes will spiral to pay for his spending with no ceiling in sight .

The bottom line is that we need to stimulate economic growth and not suppress it . Tax dollars taken from the private sector will control economic growth to the point that there will be none . How can jobs be created when government has taxed away all incentive and opportunity for job creation ?

Hey Tea Parties where were you when their wasn't any WMD ?Doc Allen you better stay with small animals as a profession. Those big Bulls will Horn you. You'll have a shot when election time rolls around, but you better get more that five hundred people to support you Vet.

Well said timothy . I thought we did take back our country 6 months ago . The gop just will not give it up .

Sounds like we missed out on a very informative gathering AGAIN......Didn't see or hear anything about this as an upcoming event in Canfield ...Where is the Vindy and the new media when you want to be informed?

I'm a Tea Party volunteer; we are law abiding American citizens exercising our 1st Amendment Rights. Most of us are Independents, not GOPers. It's going to take us a long time to take our country back because both major political parties' are attempt to transform America into a communist state. Every one is welcome to join us, White, black, red, brown, yellow, libs, conservatives, rich, poor, middle class, Democrats, Republicans, Independents, union members, non-union members. We are not thugs, anarchists, not paid to participate, or terrorists! ACORN is currently posting on Craigslist for workers ($600.00) a week to attend protests. Free transportation incl. Tea Partiers supplied their own transportation and work at regular jobs. We are responsible, self-relient, concerned Americans paying our way and serving society. Nancy Pelosi said she is a proponent of disruption, etc. (as long as they aren't Tea Partiers).

Perhaps if we changed our system of government we wouldn't have a couple of years of partisan politics and what some may consider a rush to get bills passed.

The two party system is not working for America when one party rules in both the executive and legislative branches. So when Republicans held both branches for 10 years straight, they ramrodded anything through that they wanted.

Now people like the TEA Party are in an uproar because the Democrats, knowing they had no power for the past 10 years, need to get all the legislation passed during the next few months before the election cycle begins and while they hold all the cards.

My idea is simple; When a politial party holds Congress, Senate and President, the legislative branch that is closest to being led by the opposing party would automatically recieve a one vote majority. A handicap. That way in order to ramrod anything through, they would need to convert at least two members of the opposing party to join their ranks on a vote to get a simple majority.

This would level the playing field and make everyone play together and do things that will benefit the American people instead of benefit one group or another.

Tea parties are OK if they did and do what they say . BUT it all seems to be one sided and following the GOP party ( Rush, Beck, Hannity) of NO NO NO. Were where they when we were killing thousands and thousands of innocent people looking for WMD???? . It was all right that the GOVERNMENT (Bush & Chaney) had their hands in my pocket then . But I guess that was OK . But God forbid that we would help someone . But we all have the right say what we want to. But this (the tea parties) seem to be something else.

again hope4thevalley is still living in the PAST,and can only hold onto it, as a means to have a discussion! I am a Democrat, and I do not agree with the ORGANIZER President,or our BOUGHTand PAID FOR CONGRESS. Take Back America, means that the Constitution has been changed not for the better, but for the worse along with the AMERICA we once knew,AS was once said "An America For The People,By The People!!!!!!!!!!

The roots of the tea parties can go back to what Ron Paul did in his campaign. There are a lot of gop people in it but it was started by both liberal and conservative libertarians back in '07 who were railroaded by hannity and the republican party. it wasn't until the Bush bailouts that it really started to gain traction. The "stimulus" also added to frustrations so people protested on tax day. Now there are so many things to protest they have trouble getting out a clear message at these protests.

The basic message is freedom through free markets, low taxes, and small government. The tea parties have much of the same problems the Ron Paul supporters did during his campaign, they fight even between themselves because its based on principles not on specific issue stances. So there is a large disagreement even within the tea parties, some people are the crazy anarchist ones and others are just soccer moms and nascar dads who see the national debt, social security, cap and trade, nationalized health care, and memories of the 70's and that scares the crap out of them. Most of the people in the tea parties have never been to a protest or done anything political before in their life.

As I said rudy56 you have the right to your opinion , but as for living in the past Obama has only been in office for 6 months . The others were in power for 8 years . Geve him a chance , You can get rid of him in 3 1/2 years . So maybe you are living in the goverment past of the RUSH , Beck crap. He won by 68%

tirdofstan!!! stop picking on stan

Two points:

(1) I see Mr.Henery Nemenz doesn't like cut rate, low budget competition and having to compete against less than a living wage payrolls. Who'da thought?

(2) Search4Answers.... Ron Paul? The guy won zero primaries in the last election and only got 5% of the votes in his home state of Texas. The only two politicians you seem to have faith in are Ron Paul and James Traficant. You sure can pick em. I'd love to be your bookie.

Will any of the above posters admit that they're liberal/democrats? If you are not embarrassed to admit that you're a liberal/democrat, please explain to me what is a liberal/democrat. I may like to become one, but no one can describe to me what one is. Most of you seem to hate republicans, conservatives,gopers,neo-cons,Bushies,right wingers,Limbaugh lemmings,etc.( which I'm proud to be a member of all), We all know Bush lied,Cheney is worse than anybody that has walked this earth,Sarah Palin puts her boots on the wrong feet,but what is a democrat/liberal? In what do they believe? Sotired,10 years? Please explain.

Yep cambridge, I pick people based on their beliefs not their party. I'm not a fan of traficant (he's a crook like most politicians) but I like some of what he said and he wasn't just a democrat puppet, I'd support him over tim ryan. Lol if you knew who I voted for president in the general election you'd definitely love to be my bookie.

Borylie, I like how you ask for people to tell you what they believe. I'm a conservative libertarian and disenfranchised (Ron Paul) republican. I see no difference between neocons and progressive liberals. I hated Bush especially his second term, I hate Hannity, Limbaugh makes me laugh but he's too partisan and it's just a political game for him, I disagree with Beck on the war but I think he does a good job of research and pointing people in the right direction to research for themselves, I dislike Sarah Palin I think she's just riding off the vice president thing, I contribute money to Peter Schiff's campaign for senator in Connecticut, I also contribute to Campaign for Liberty. I believe the Federal Reserve should be audited and I wish to see it abolished. So to sum up I hate both parties really.

A couple points:
Everyone stop getting your information from network television and cable news and use your brains.

- "So maybe you are living in the goverment past of the RUSH , Beck crap. He won by 68%"
Who won by 68%? Obama won 52% of the popular vote, and that is the one that means more. Bush lost the popular vote and still won the presidency. Does that make sense? You express yourself like an armless mute.

- "We all know Bush lied,"
Please tell me what Bush lied about. Lying involves intent. Did Clinton lie when he said the same things to the Pentagon? Did the intelligence sector lie when they were divulging the perceived information? Was England lying when they had the same intelligence too? Did the other countries lie about the perceived threat? Or was it just dubya? He got up there, in all his cunning and deviance, and said we must invade Iraq because they have wmd's and everyone must do what I say.

You go**amn people make me laugh...and then cry.

- If people want to envoke constitutional liberties so what. There were rallies everyday against Iraq calling for dubya's impeachment. That is ok, that is America.

- If anyone really thinks for one second that Obama has made positive long term decisions for the American economy, you are wrong. When I say long-term I mean about 10-15 years out. The principles of our economy, common sense, and history can prove that. The generation in their 30's right now is absolutely screwed, period. History will be the ultimate judge and it has only been 7 months, true, but there is nothing to show otherwise. The guy is trying to be superman but, and I know this may shock you, he is only human, and not that cool. His clean talk and brains may have made him a big hit, but the scrutiny of the presidency is almost too much for a human being to handle.

Search4
Thanks for your response,but I still don't know what a liberal/democrat is. But,I'm with you in disliking both parties and to be more specific, politicians. However,I'm a conservative and if the republicans could ever act like consevatives, then I believe they are more closely aligned with my ideology. Briefly,I'm agnostic,see both sides of the abortion argument and believe in helping the TRULY needy. I do not believe in giving my hard earned money, my years of making good decisions (never drank alcohol, never did any drugs,saved and planned for my future) and giving any part of it to those who did just the opposite of what I did. Liberals want to do this and with my money. They want to control the country and the world and accomplish this by creating a dumbed down populace who need the government. Liberals are what the word says it is,liberal. Drugs,alcohol,no respect for themselves(low class)or others, basically anything goes. I don't want this type of world. Rush Limbaugh isn't a politician and a true,blue conservative, this is why I'm a Limbaugh fan. I don't care what other countries think of the USA. We are the best and when you can't be the best you hate the best. Same as liberals,when it is impossible to raise the lazy,uneducated,lowlifes to middle class,then take from those who are ambitious and hard working and bring them down to their level. So what is a liberal/democrat in the opinion of others?

The bottom line:
I think both ends of the political spectrum should continue supporting and protesting the legislation in Washington so we can have an honest debate with the citizens deciding, not the bums in Washington.

In the past, it was every 2 years when the citizens made the decisions, but the TEA Party movement has changed that. Now every tea party or town hall could have repercussions come Election Time and/or when our Congressmen do vote on bills!

If it is up to the citizens , then why do we have elected people in office . Maybe we should all go to Washington once a year and vote . Or is it better we the people VOTE and send a few to Washington to do our busness . Or is it so much better to vote them in and then be a bunch of cry babies ( tea baggers) if your team lost.
A LIBERAL is for fair treatment to all the citizen of this GREAT Country. The rushocrats are only for them self . WHAT IS SO HARD ABOUT THAT

valleyred....I asked you before if you knew what your Representatives job is. I suggest you read hope4thevalley's post a few times. It will help you figure it out.

hope4thevalley....A liberal is for fair treatment? YOU ARE KIDDING! Liberal is ...REV.Wright,AL Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi,Sen. Dodd,Sen.Franken, its called take from the haves(no matter how little they have and give it to the have nots-as long as its not THIERS.Do you remember the lady who said "I want a house, I want a car and the president said "get that ladies name"-a liberal is just the opposite of what Christ said"I wont teach you how to fish,I will just keep giving you fish!

Cambridge,
If there's anything dumber than you it's probably growing leaves. Hope4thevalley is all you have, and I'm afraid hope alone won't get it done. Yes, I'm a rushocrat and I'm for myself and for my family and the truly needy. Not the lowlife losers you want to support. I employed plenty of WORKERS in my day and I can't think of one person getting government handouts that ever employed(dope dealers don't count) anyone. That's why you have a valley full of unemployed democrats collecting the tax dollars of the working republicans. With clowns like you two, you'll have more democrats real soon. When people don't have to work to have what everybody who does work have, I guess that will be "fair treatment".

borYlie?....Always nice to hear from a fan.

Cambridge,
The only fans you have is the mirror and that little electric thing that keeps going around and around.

From some of the comments it seems that some people think we are a democracy, which we aren't, we are a republic.

Since we are a republic and not a true democracy we are to hold our representatives accountable. The tea parties are exactly what we need to hold the representatives accountable to the people they represent.

If we were a true democracy we would have mob rule by the whims of the people not by the rule of law.

It must be very frustrating for the Obamacrats and other freedom hating advocates to see their socialistic "health" care plan being exposed by us freedom loving capitalists. Obama's plan is just right for cowards, the lazy, the stupid. It's takes guts to believe in the American way of life, personal responsibility, hard work, compassion, respect for humanity, freedom of speech, religion, limitated government.

"If a monarchist be in office, anywhere, and it be known to the President, the oath he has taken to support the Constitution imperiously requires the instantaneous dismission of such officer: and I hold the President criminal if he permitted such to remain.

To appoint a monarchist to conduct the affairs of a republic, is like appointing an atheist to the priesthood."

"If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy."

-Thomas Jefferson
June 1803

Good try guys, but its not possible to educate or teach a dye in the wool liberal anything!!!!They have completely given in their souls to the smoke and mirrors. Not intelligent enough to sort it out. They have been trained to twist and distort the truth and all spew the same mantras.They will dismiss my comments here as well as all others because they are so self serving andweak cause it is their way. Theyll keep beating this drum until it all catches up to us and this country falls...then they will be the first to deny they put these buffoons in control and cry for us that knew better to help!!!Youre on your own and will be held accountable im afraid. Youll reap what youve sown for sure.

I think if you read what all these Righties say. . You will see that they prove my point .
They only listen to to the RUSH, BECH and Hannidy's of the world.( and that is so sad)
Have a nice day all

I watch CNN, HTN, MSNBC as well as the "righties" programing. The left is like a used car salesman. Buy this universal "health" plan before it's too late. Don't worry about what's in the contract. Sign on the line and you'll feel fine.

Hey all you obama people. You got what you voted for. Someone who is was unprepared for the job whose main goal is to run the country into the ground and then tax us to death to pay for all his programs. I will take Bushes 400Billion deficit over Obamas Trillions upon Trillions. Be prepared, the tax man is on the way. By the way, we need to fire all the incompetant people that work in the Senate and House. They don't deserve their paycheck.

The Bush deficit was 1.3 trillion dollars.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-pro...

Bush showered the liberals with his spending to gain their admiration . They admire how easy it was to get him to open the cash box . Today they fault him for it and demand that the conservatives get taxed more to pay it back . Liberalnomics !

ITS ALL GOOD !

Stan the Man Unusual....."Bush showered the liberals with his spending to gain their admiration".

Just when I thought you couldn't say anything more stupid than you already have, you step up your game, I have to hand to you, you will never let facts get in your way.

Cambridge,
Of all the posters you shoudn't be calling anyone stupid or what they say stupid. If someone decides to build a Statue of Stupid, you'd be the model.

Bush's spending was uncalled for. No Child Left Behind = money down the drain. It's the states job to handle education, there is no need for a federal dep of education. It's surely not results we are getting, the US dep of edu keeps getting bigger but we keep getting worse and worse schools. You can't just throw money at the problem, it'll be too late before the politicians figure that out though.

Obama's spending is also uncalled for and it is literally scary how much he has robbed and wishes to rob the US tax payer.

Obama's curent agenda will add $9.3 trillion to the national debt, doubling it in six years and nearly tripling it in 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

Last fiscal year, the deficit was $459 billion. For this fiscal year, it was $569 billion when Mr. Obama took office. Under his proposals, another $1.276 trillion will be added to the deficit this year, for a total of $1.845 trillion.

The CBO says deficits will fall for three years to $658 billion, still nearly 50% larger than any past deficit. After that, deficits go back up every year, reaching the trillion-dollar a year mark again in nine years. By 2019, the debt would reach 82.4% of GDP, a level not seen since 1947. With astonishing candor, even Peter Orszag, the president's budget director conceded these levels of deficits and debt are "unsustainable."

Federal spending will under Mr. Obama top $4 trillion this year. This translates into 28.5% of GDP -- a level exceeded only at the height of World War II. According to the president's plans, spending will thereafter slow for three years, but then grow faster than the economy for the next seven years and beyond. Spending rises by $3.1 trillion from 2009-19, including $911 billion for legislation signed during his first two months in office, including the stimulus bill and the expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (and not including interest on the mushrooming debt).

Nonsocialist,

Food for thought- what if interest rates skyrocket through inflation or the fed having to battle inflation? Say it roughly doubled (possible, look at the 1980's). So instead of paying ballpark $400 billion on interest the government would have to pay $800 billion, that would cripple us. That would be adding $400 billion more to the deficit every year. Think about that too when you hear a doubling of the national debt!

Most of the pap I read here today had little to do with what was empathized at that meeting Friday.
I didn't read about it in Vindy, or rely on TV news coverage (both local stations) and certainly not by listening to talk radio or supposed right wing conservatives.

I feel qualified to comment because I took the time to attend that "TEA party". I don't consider myself a Dem, GOP'er, Indy or any other particular party. I try to vote for the best but sometimes am forced to go with the lesser of the worst.

I didn't agree with all of what I heard, and some of the speakers attempted to place blame on just those in power now.

What I did leave with was a sense that more people are becoming aware that government as it is practiced now is broken. As long as the people just talk about why that is, very little change will happen. Action needs to be taken. Be that by marches on the Capitol(s), letters to the representatives, phone calls, emails and speaking to the uninformed. Once again, the key is ACTION.

Please use these posts for good purpose and not for purposeless individual vendettas.

VERY WELL SAID olepope45

All that I can say is that I find these "tea parties" ridiculous! They seem to consist of a lot of people that don't know the facts about healthcare and don't even care to learn the facts. It's a social event for them, without considering how not doing anything about healthcare will only lead to problems for their children and grandchildren. But again, a lot of the "tea partiers" probably figure that they won't be around to see it so why should they care. Matter of fact that is a comment that I heard made by one of the attendees. They're having fun on the tea party circuit and getting to socialize with others.

I agree. It's all rhetoric. Okay, we have a big deficit.
We've had a big deficit before. What if WW2 spending was recalculated in 2009 post-inflation dollars?
In addition to paying taxes WE HAVE THE MOST EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE IN THE WORLD, PEOPLE! 25% of Doctors in the United States moved here from foreign countries -- because the healthcare bucks are here. (By the way, they are not from Canada or England. 1.5% are from Canada, but most of them are Americans who went to Canada for medical school.)
GETTING RIPPED OFF DOESN'T DEMONSTRATE YOUR LIBERTY, INTELLIGIENCE OR PATRIOTISM.

One thing on the budget, Obama includes all of the spending in his budget. Bush never included the two wars in his budget, always were seperate appropiations. Bush inherited a surplus and left with the largest debt ever! Why teabaggers?

Teabaggers, indeed.

Tea Baggers don't like Bush's big spending either. Why are you libs complaining? Obama's spending four times as much. I've said it before, the GOP and Dems both s..k! Both parties are socialist enclaves. America must return to capitalism. Much less intrusive government, personal responsibility and guts. Socialism hooks the lazy, stupid and gutless. Will those politician scumbags who are promoting national "death" care be enrolled in the same program they're attempting to ram down our collective throats?

What baffles my mind is that there are lots of people attending these "Tea Parties", which I am all for, but these are the same people who voted for Obama. Preceding the election, he made it clear that he was going to push for "healthcare reform", but was vague on what he would reform. Mahoning and Trumbull counties LOVE their Democrats no matter who the candidate is, so if you voted for this "Prez", then you can only sit back and watch him socialize America. He will make the USA a 21st century USSR.

Oh, by the way, Obama will probably start a "TeaParty Czar" before all is said and done!

Most of the people voting are sheep on all sides of the political spectrum. Atleast with all of this political chaos people are actually paying attention a little bit better.

The girl I went out to the polls with had no idea of one thing either side stood for and she still voted. I would be if they took off the labels the amount of votes independents get would skyrocket. Some just vote for the D or R and have no idea other than the typical "republicans are only for the rich" or "democrats want to raise my taxes" uninformed saying people have.

There they go again.....those tea baggers this..those tea baggers that...they dont have all the facts on health care......they....they.....Amazing how ONLY LIBERALS have all the knowledge and answers. Well they are given all their opinions and answers and rhetoric and the drums to beat on because free thinking is not possible for they are not as educated appearently. My goodness..thats right....they are getting their education and thought processes from the most corrupt, incompetent and criminal administration since George Washington.... I forgot

Yep, teabaggers.

You all (except for Jeffrey) are obviously "un-American" "evil-mongers" and probably "carry swastikas". I think it would be best if you all turn yourselves in to Big Brother at flag@whitehouse.org .

Non-thanks for posting what is apparently an original thought when referring to me rather than the un-cited, copied/pasted propaganda from someone else that we’re accustomed to seeing. I'm honored.

BTW, nice pic -- I Am The Walrus.

Jeffrey,

I would've worn shades in my pic too except they're deemed irreverent and incendiary by his majesty in my homeland.

I'm sure your rulers are glad they have your deepest loyalties...they like that kinda stuff...

Just so you know, ProAmerican, the Republicans who were claiming the law included a "Death Panel" have backed off of it. Turns out it was a misinterpretation of an idea Newt Gingrich was promoting in June.

My pic is of someone I laugh at (Terrell Owens) because he's a clown, yours is of someone you cite because you can't think for yourself and because you hear other conservatives talking about him. (What I did there, that's called showing contrast.)

In reality Newt knows a lot about healthcare. He patented a move called "wait till your wife gets cancer and have her sign divorce papers while she's in the hospital." That has to count for something, right?

Jeffrey,

Now...now...No need to get defensive. You are allowed to express your thoughts, misguided as they are, without someone resorting to an insulting response. It's more entertaining to have an intellectual discussion without your comrade falling back on tired barbs and jabs. I think most see it as a sign of helplessness. Peace out.

BTW, I see your Newt and raise you one Bill Clinton and one John Edwards.

Death Panels was a poor way the Republican tried to defeat Obamacare.

Here's the reality of what Obama, Pelosi, and Frank were trying to do. They were going to set up a public option that would "compete" with private insurance industry. However, since the government plan has no incentive to turn profits or even prevent losses it would eventually put companies who have those constraints out of business. Obama has said that nationalized healthcare cannot be achieved instantly, it would take atleast a decade. This is how they would achieve getting the private sector out of it.

Since resources are limited as they always are, society cannot collectively afford to have individuals get health care that doesn't provide enough bang for the buck to society. Therefore there would be need to be some policy and policy maker that decides what procedures are worth it for the collective to afford.

We as individuals also have a mechanism much like this. We decide whether the procedure is worth it for our budget and also our effort. The decision though is decided upon what is good for the individual without regard to society.

Some act as if rationing is not a reality, but it is in both nationalized and individualized systems. We as individuals can ration more to our healthcare or less, we can ration more for fancy cars or we can ration for travel. The question is who is doing the rationing or who do you want to do the rationing?

When the government does the rationing it is done with the collective in mind, when you ration it is with the individual in mind. Which has your interest at heart?

Search.... I'm going to have to agree with you this time. Below is a clip about a teenager basically put to sleep due to injuries. One of the saddest things I've ever heard of. I guess someone decided she wasn't worth the effort.

http://www.theonion.com/content/video...

Lol the onion... probably my favorite site. They come up with some of the funniest stories.

Wouldn't the term "teabagger" make the object of that adjective the actor? I think the correct term would be "teabagee".

Who, then is getting the proverbial coin purse across the nose? Aside from Bawney Frank, that is.

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I can't believe that neither Timmy nor Charlie would show up. Timmy take a hint from C's constituents and start updating that resume.

Hellsbells, didn't Obama say maybe it's better to give some patients a pain pill? is that a humane solution? Did trhe elderly, drug addict, drunk, treasonous lady killer Ted Kennedy just get pain meds for his terminal "brain" tumor? Well maybe he did receive self-medicated pain meds, lol

I saw some amusing bumper stickers on a foreign car yesterday in the Southern Park Mall parking lot. "Dessention is patriotic". Right next to it was an "OBAMA" sticker. I also thank Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi and Hillary "the beauty queen" verfied disruption and protest is patriotic as well. They legitimize we Tea Party Patriots Thanks again girls.

I want a bumper sticker that says don't put my flag on your government made vehicle.

You got me with the Edwards thing, pro. Not so much with Clinton but definitely with Edwards.

+2 points to the good Doctor for the coin purse reference.

Attend Tea Party events. I'm a volunteer and I'm going to DC (Dirty Corruption) Sep 12. Don't allow the greatest nation of all time to degenerate into an Nazi-Communist, murderous, dictatorship. They want to print mega tons of money and destroy our grandchildrens' right to American Freedoms. Both major political parties s..k.

Gonzo, was the Tea Bagee remark referring to you Communist heroine Barney Fwank?

This must go on record as one of the most poorly written Vindicator articles to date because people's comments don't even refer to the implied content...

Ok, where to begin...
It's just really sad that such a hard working, blue color town would get duped by the media and are so blindly willing to accept whatever nonsense is being fed to them from the major "News" networks. Really?? Do you lack all reasoning skills?

Folks, you are fighting against something that could be very good for a lot of people and you're still not getting it: if you already have healthcare and you like it - NOTHING WILL CHANGE FOR YOU. If it's tax money you're crazed about - guess what - you are already paying for people without health care when they walk through those ER doors as a last resort. A LAST RESORT, as in, this person would die if they did not seek immediate care. If people had the health care we all deserve, the non-emergency emergency visits would decrease in sight of the preventative care that would be available to them. Oh yeah! The people in jail who have committed a crime because they are mentally ill?? Yep, them too! If they had low or no cost health care and meds available to them, you wouldn't be paying for their jail time. WAKE UP. To live in a good society, it costs money. If you want to have the best healthcare, EVERYONE needs healthcare.

The results of a recent study came out from the EPA saying that the United States' life expectancy has risen a whole year. The Vindy posted a lame AP article with little insight into these findings. But, with a little more research I discovered that America is only ranked #50 in the world for the highest life expectancy. Yikes! That's where we are and claim to have the most expensive health care system? (Canada is 8 and France is 9, by the way)

Vindy, your article, in a word, stinks. Citizens of this valley are cited with comment but who are these people and why should we listen to them? Your commenters have no credibility and you report it as if it were actual fact. Also, you are pitting two diametrically opposed statements towards the same argument: Dr. Allen wants us to "take back America from the Government" but then Mr. Nemenz says that it's lack of government oversight that has caused Wal-Mart to become a monopoly. Huh??

make that "CDC" not "EPA"...

Interesting how Fox was the only ones to cover these tea party protests from tax day through July... the rest of the media ignored them and now it has gotten bigger than ever.

Fix Noise. The official tea party network.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoA9MH...

Yeah because CNN and BSNBC are so fair. Maybe that is why fox news is blowing the rest out of the water.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOrPzV...

People are tired of listening to the media channels who tell them they are organized gop nutjobs that should just be ignored.

This is how Fix Noise covered Obama's first 100 days. The days are counted off in the upper right of the video. Explain to me how they are "fair and balanced."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35eRxx...

Ok. FOX News isn't really the news and it's just one of many media outlets owned by one of the world's largest media conglomerates called News Corporation owned by Rupert Murdoch (who isn't even American, but Australian) which also happens to be a publicly-traded company. Guess what - they make more money when they get you to watch their crap...We all get it now, good.

This is all fine and dandy, but does anyone here know of any actual, and I mean real, points to the proposed healthcare reform? Anyone? Just one thing that is to change. Sad...

This is what they want to do (and it doesn't sound so bad to me):

* Make sure insurance companies can’t drop your coverage if you get sick or deny you care because you have a pre-existing condition.
* Prevent insurers from charging exorbitant co-pays, putting life-time or annual caps on your coverage, or denying you the opportunity to renew your coverage.
* Allow young adults to stay on their family coverage until age 26, make it illegal to charge women more for care, and ensure that companies cover preventative care that saves money in the long run.

If the Right is right why are we in the shape we are in. END OF THE BS

get_a_bike....The funniest part is that conservatives think that Rupert Murdoch and Fix Noise are pushing for the Republican/Conservative agenda, when in fact it's the conservatives that are out their pushing Rupert Murdoch's agenda.

Rupert Murdoch is the leader of the Republican party. Unfortunately the Republicans haven't figured that out yet.

The right IS right. That's why red states are more prosperous and are enjoying higher employment than socialistic red states. Why is Youngstown and the Mahoning Valley so po'? Because it is predomenately Democrat.

So because some channel actually gives something you believe in a fair shake that makes you a drone of that channel? Hey, I was just as ticked about what Fox did to Ron Paul...

If you want to see some low life journalism let's look at the Ed Show on msnbc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ3tCe...

To think any channel is balanced is complete fallacy, NBC might be perhaps the most biased network I have ever seen. Fox atleast gives some of the things I believe a fair shake.

Btw I like listening to a channel who atleast gives some of my views a fairer shake.

Search...You don't get it. Fix Noise is not a news channel. The talking heads there say what Rupert Murdoch pays them to say. The reason some people think Fix is reporting what they themselves believe is because they will tell the same lies over and over again.

Fix Noise hammered Bill Clinton 24/7 for eight years. According to them he never did one thing right. They praised Bush aka Fredo 24/7. The guy never did anything wrong. As soon as Obama got the nomination they started in on him 24/7 and will do so till the day he leaves office. Did you even watch the last video I posted? They started in with their socialist crap day one. Does it look like to you they they are giving the guy and his plans to fix the mess he was handed chance? Be honest.

There are some people if they hear something enough times they think it must be true.

I'm a bit nonplussed. So far there have been a lot of comments full of glaring generalizations about everything except the issues of this article, but there has not yet been an intelligent, well-thought out argument, for or against healthcare reform.

Apparently this community (i.e. proamerican, et al.) is only interested in defending what's been piped through their televisions at them by large corporations with no real interest in the people they pretend to serve. It's no surprise that these people talking at you through the TV have been told what to say because the pharmaceutical lobbyists (the ones with all the money. not us, remember?) paying these media organizations to say what they've been saying so the big companies can keep the dough rolling in. It sounds like people are lacking critical thinking skills, can't think for themselves and are happy to go along with whatever everyone else is because it's easier.

Let me ask you, do any of you even know or understand the underlying ideals or theories of socialism? Do you realize that most of what you encounter each day is socialized? The water department, the fire department, the police, the city school district, the highway system, the state hwy patrol, the internet, the FCC, the National Weather System, must I go on?

If you aren't a very rich person who has everything you would ever need inside a little, self-maintaining compound, there is absolutely no reason you would not want to invest in your own well-being. Seriously, gang. SRSLY.

Again, Vindy. Lame article.

I'm going to be sort of frank. Neither side will ever be conviced of the other side and not because they don't try.

This is an argument over utilitarianism vs. libertarianism.

Ultimate utilitarianism leads to totalitarianism, ultimate libertarianism leads to anarchism. The question is where on that continuum are we? Some people feel we are becoming tilted more toward utilitarism than we should be and that is why so many have been fired up.

Honestly it would be pointless for either of us to go on, get_a_bike because it sounds like whatever either of us say is going to fall on deaf ears or be construed incorrectly, as many of us have learned.

I was at today's Akron Tea Party. The theme was a government out of control who has taken too much of our money already and still isn't done with us. They want to fund every program they can think of until they have total control of us. Although the news of how far gone this country already is (Federal Reserve Bank, IRS, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid) can be pretty depressing, there was a real feeling of hope and conviction that WE THE PEOPLE will not let them continue down this path of destroying the country our forefathers fought and died for. I hope some of the speeches make it to youtube. I doubt whether the media will cover it, even though there were over 7,000 people there.

We can't stop here. This is bat country.

NIXON

Dreamcatcher, I agree with you. Are you sure you're a Mahoning Valley resident? We are being oppressed by excessive government.Obama claimed he didn't want to take over Governmen Moters. He also said he doesn't want to take over health care either. Can he be lying?

"take back government" ? when have we ever "had" the government?

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Every time I see or hear these teabaggers,I have to chuckle because they are so damn hypocritical it`s hilarious.Where the hell were they the 8 yrs that Bush was in office?That`s when they should have been protesting his policies.Likely they were working at GOP headquarters on his campaigns.Concerned about the Constitution they scream?Their buddy Dick Cheney trampled and spit all over it.Not a peep from the baggers though.Taxes?How many billions in tax breaks to the top 1% did their buddy Bush sign while in office?It seems to me that a vast majority on these so called "patriots" woke up on January 21st and screamed,"Oh my Lord ,we have a BLACK president it`s the END of the world." ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!.Hopefully you baggers can survive for the next 8 yrs without having a complete breakdown because as your buddy Bush was so fond of saying,"I won and I have political capital and I`m going to spend it" Rock on President Obama.Spend that capital because the Republicans are so heavily invested in failure they don`t have the needs of the nation as their priority.Looking forward to the next teabagging event.Laughter is so good for the soul.

Again, I think the term "teabagger" would describe an actor while "teabagee" would be the term for the receiver. So who is receiving?

If you really believe half of what you just wrote, or that the dems have not done the same thing in the past, then keep believing and keep reaching fro the stars.

Cambridge, doesn't San Fransicko have a posting place there on the San FranFreeko newspaper sight??? Geez, you must really miss the valley.

Tomcat....I miss my relatives and friends that still live in the valley but I don't miss living there for a second.

Ohio was an important state in the last election and that's when I started posting. I hoped to persuade some people to look down the road and not in the rear view mirror. After exchanging dialogue with you and some of the other idiots that post on this board I realized how much fun it is to bust onions. Fools like you give me a laugh.

If you don't like my posts I suggest you skip over them in the future. Personally, I would rather you respond. It's always nice to hear from my fans.