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South Side house riddled with bullets



Published: Wed, April 22, 2009 @ 12:06 a.m.

By Katie Seminara

Arguments among relatives led to one woman’s being shot and one house shattered by more than 40 gunshots.

YOUNGSTOWN — A family feud that sparked gunfire earlier in the week is likely to continue in a South Side neighborhood, police said.

Although Cleveland Street is generally quiet, police said a Monday night shooting and Tuesday’s early-morning gunfire might signal the start of ongoing trouble.

Two households of relatives on Cleveland Street have had recent ongoing arguments.

Natasha Shuler, 29, was grazed in the stomach by a bullet after a confrontation with her 14-year-old male cousin around 6 p.m. Monday, police said. Shuler was taken to St. Elizabeth Health Center for treatment of a minor injury.

However, the shooting didn’t stop after the 6 p.m. incident.

At 1 a.m. Tuesday, about 10 shots were fired at the house at 161 Cleveland St. and then more shots were fired at 4:30 a.m, police said.

A neighbor reported that two men were outside the house firing, said Detective Sgt. Ron Rodway.

“The majority were from an AK-47 assault rifle,” he said, adding no one was in the house when it was fired upon upward of 50 times.

“This is one of the worst cases of a house being shot up I’ve seen,” Rodway said. “The house was just riddled with bullets.”

The neighboring house of 44-year-old Lori Tomlin was also hit with bullets, one shot entering the house, police said.

Two well-known churches also neighbor the location of the shoot- out. New Bethel Baptist Church on Hillman Street and St. Patrick’s Church on Oak Hill Avenue are situated at either end of a stretch of Cleveland Street.

The Rev. Kenneth Simon of New Bethel heard some commotion and then saw someone shooting while he was entering the church Monday night.

“It’s frightening in the sense that some people were outside and sometimes kids are playing outside,” he said. “It gives the city a black eye with all the positive things going on.”

The Rev. Mr. Simon said he and the Rev. Edward Noga of St. Patrick’s are working to establish a block watch for their neighborhood and have always been active in their community.

“Our churches are here to stabilize neighborhoods and to be a beacon of hope,” he said.

New Bethel has about 1,000 members and completed an addition in 2003.

It’s a fixture in the community that isn’t moving, so the church reaches beyond its walls, Mr. Simon said.

The majority of the community members are law-abiding citizens, he said.

“You don’t know what fuels these things, but you can try to impact families and areas in your community in a positive way,” Mr. Simon said.

Police have made no arrests, but are looking for the 14-year-old boy and his mother.


Comments

1aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

A family feud. What is this, the Hatfields & McCoys?

Why is a 29-year-old getting into a fight with a 14-year-old anyhow? And why isn't the 14-year-old respecting his elder?

People are animals anymore.

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2babs68(58 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

aeparish...

I couldn't agree with you more. These kids have no respect for anyone anymore....and not just in Youngstown but anywhere. Just reading the news let's you know that the Devil is busy in these kids head.

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3daddy218(8 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

i belong to one of the two churches. why not close both of them down as a public nucience , as the city wants to with the f&m market. the parents and police are not doing their jobs.

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4Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

The culture lives on ! Why doesn't Mayor Jay Williams step up with a plan to quell the violence? He criticized the store on the East Side for the violence and called for its closure. How about the gangbangers that cause the violence Jay? Just part of the culture?

JAY HAS A PLAN
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5auntie(6 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

well im here to tell the story of how this came about an it about the court system NOT doing their jobs ,,, the child in question an the missing mother , have been asking for help for the last 2yrs now the mother has called the city police an his probation officer on him asking for help before the child gets killed ,, as for the 29 yr woman .. they fell to tell you all how she come down to the house of the family an started shooting at the house ,,,an the house returned fire to protect the other members of the household ... i know both family's an 29 woman in question should of never went to the house to argue with a 14 boy in the first place while carrying a gun ,,first of all Ohio state needs to wake up an start pressing chargers on adults who corrupt morals of a miner meaning anyone over age of 18 will be held responsible for anyone under age of 17 cause to many adults are getting these kids to do unlawful crimes an getting away with it ,, knowing the children under age of 18 wouldn't get the full charged for the crime they commit .the first thing people do is fall back on the parent its so easy to blame the parent when the system fails ..as for the 29 yr woman should of been charge for carrying a weapon in a school zone ,,after all the st Patrick church is a school also . but she walks free among us ,, known this woman for years she has no right to be free and the school of st Patrick is only a few yards from the place of the shooting ,what because no one was killed or drugs not found she walks freely ,, the charges that should of been carrying a concealed weapon ,,, child endangerment ..assault with a deadly weapon ,,simple assault ,, aggravated assault , corruption morals of a miner ,,but she was never charged with any of the following charges she walks free ..still threatening to kill them.. so where is the justice at??

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6Morbidcherub(30 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Omg, That was the longest run-on sentence and paragraph in the history of the universe. Sounds like this entire family has severe issues.

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7aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Auntie -- since you seem to know everything about law, I just could not help asking -- are you a judge or a lawyer? Because if so, apparently English classes weren't part of your college cirriculum.

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8henryviii1509(274 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

"cause to many adults are getting these kids to do unlawful crimes an getting away with it"

can someone please tell me what 'lawful crimes' there are?

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9auntie(6 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

That was the longest run-on sentence and paragraph in the history of the universe.............Because if so, apparently English classes weren't part of your college cirriculum........curriculum not cirrculum ,,,, first of all , an second of all why worry about this stuff when peoples life's are in danger people like you guys are the reason why Youngstown has a high crime rating ,, cause being worried about spelling an how long a paragraph is you should be more concern about the welfare of the children ,,and not worry about how or what is being said. but how to push the issue of getting help that most kids in Youngstown need , having to deal with and live with each day, no i am no judge or lawyer but maybe i should be , to many children are committing crimes an nothing being done to stop it .state of Ohio need stiffer laws where is the no tolerance law that the mayor said he's enforcing??

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10aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Auntie, thank you for correcting me. You’re looking out for me; I appreciate that. While you were at it, you should have corrected all of your misspellings, too.

That’s interesting, though. You think people like me are the reason why Youngstown has a high crime rating. Are you KIDDING me? Why, because I’m educated and trying to make something out of myself? Having those characteristics must be some of those “unlawful crimes” you were alluding to.

Furthermore, I find this very ironic, considering most of the morons committing the real crimes are uneducated and illiterate. I have to say though, you are wrong auntie. I am very much so worried about the welfare of these children – I'm worried that they're going to continue the same life of crime and destruction that their parents were/are accustomed to. So if anyone’s thought processes are the cause of Youngstown’s high crime rating, it’s yours and everyone else’s who thinks education, ambition, and self-respect are all just qualities that are a big waste of time.

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11JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

All I know is Lily Tomlin doesn't deserve to have her house shot up...wait, what? Oh...never mind.

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12redvert(2094 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Looks like auntie is just venting her frustration and the three a'holes with the stupid replies are worried about punctuation and the meaning of how auntie phrased something she said. Read the three replies, real relevant aren't they.

Hope I didn't misspell something here cause if so, as soon as the above three pop those heads out of their rectums I am gonna get chastised.

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13AtownParent(562 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Ok, I know the comments about the spelling and grammar are petty, but could auntie PLEASE put a D on to the end of her "an"s.

This story is just another piece of proof that any cuts Jay has for the police department are dangerous and foolish.

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14redvert(2094 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

It was nice to see that someone that is somewhat directly involved is pointing fingers in the right direction for a change. Isn't that something a lot of us harp on? Then we get goofballs that are more worried because someone misspelled a word or used a term in the wrong context. I was going to say that we have problems on both ends of the spectrum, but a better choice of words would be to say the same end of the spectrum but just a different fork.

Now if I made any errors in my grammar please notify someone that gives a sh$t.

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15Morbidcherub(30 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Petty? I think not. When Im having trouble reading someone's post because they are making no sense - due to tons of spelling, grammatical, & sentencen structure errors - I will point it out. If she has something to contribute, she could at least do so in a coherent fashion so the rest of us can read AND understand her point of view.

People correcting people on a message board arent the problem in Youngstown. It's laziness, ignorance, and a sense of entitlement that are the real problems.

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16fess2it(30 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

You really don't know why no one supports levies for Y-town schools? It's because they have pushed generations of people through while they have not learned to read or write. This is a true fact!!

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17redvert(2094 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Morbidcherub, therefore I will just read your reply and not comment on whether there are any spelling errors in it because if there were, it didn't matter. I got the message.

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18auntie(6 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

The only thing different between educated people and stupid ones is it takes longer for them to get caught up in the crimes they do.Why do people think its a joke for someones home to be shot at , what if it was your then how would you feel.Don't say it cant happen to you , go ask the little boy who was killed for no reason.That was my daughter and grand babies that was shot at and yes they have a good education.You are a dam hypocrite. If that is all that church teaches you then you should go back and study a little harder.

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19kipper(3 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

And this is news???????

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20loveblueunicorn(7 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I have to agree with Auntie, she should be locked up and the story isn't correct. The 29 yrs. old was having sex with the 14 year old. She was upset the 14 year old was the doing the right thing by leaving her alone. She should be charged with statutory rape also. And be branded a sex offender also because he still is an child. She should be charged with every last charge that auntie suggested. If she was a man she would be in jail now. The mother should of charged her with rape of an minor child. Auntie was correct the 29 year old did shoot up the 14 year old house first. And there were other kids on the porch when she did shoot at the house. She could of killed innocent children because she was obssesed with a 14 year old boy- child. She should be made an example of, think of that innocent boy in Warren who got killed and didn't have nothing to do with what was going on. It could of happened when the 29 year old shot at the 14 year old house and there were children there. Reading all the comments and the ones about spelling are ridiculous. I know how to spell and when typing makes mistake and do not always check what I write, so mistakes can be made. The name calling are stupid when what Auntie is saying is correct and that is more important than grammar and spelling.

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21joydav(41 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Well, I've been away for awhile and it seems that the ignorance we face is that of people worrying about who misspelled a word. Our problem is that the system doesn't care about the young African American males. They sit back and let them pick one another off and wait for the census takers to record the numbers. I had the same problem when my now 24 year old son was 15. And to anyone that feels like the parents of these children don't care than you're the idiots. We don't live in areas where the system wants our kids to succeed in life. We don't have the resources to help them and no one care outside of the inner city community, but the inner city parents. We as adults should care about children no matter where they live. No one says anything about these little girls out here giving away one of their best assets. How about that? I have to run these girls away most night. The young ladies come from the suburbs, bring their parents money and other things for these young men. My first question is, where are their parents? We all have trials we face as parents, one persons struggle may not be the same as another's, but it is a struggle never the less.

p,.s.

sorry if I misspelled

lol

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22aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

The 29-year-old was having sex with the 14-year-old? The same 14-year-old that is her cousin? Love, who are you and why are you dispensing this type of information (that for all we know could be made up)?

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23aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Citizen, you should probably make a new account... can't read your comments.

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24henryviii1509(274 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Great, just frigging Great!!!

Not only does the entitlement loving crowd expect a free living. Now we can't even point out the fact that when we provided a free education to them, they wasted the chance as evidenced by their atrocious grammatical skills. Furthermore, it seems,(from some of these posts), they cannot even differentiate relatives from strangers in their efforts to out produce us.

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25gmann415(268 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

welcome to THUGTOWN. so, is the police going to beef up patrols around this area to make sure there isnt another shooting. oh by the way looks like they are going to have to close this house down now because it has violance. atleast thats what they are trying to do to the f&n market on bruce and shehy

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26gmann415(268 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

the cops should round up every drug dealing trigger happy gangbanger and send them to iraq to fight this war. too many law abiding people over there fighting and losing their lives. since these punks dont care about life then bring the ladies and gents who dont want to be there home and replace them with these THUGS FROM THUGSTOWN

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27loveblueunicorn(7 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

To answer aeparish comment, yes I do know about the family, this family are the Hatfields and the McCoys all in one. This is their MO. They do not have no respect for the law. A few years ago one brother killed another for a few dollars. This same girl been in the news all the time. Maybe you was on of them who helped her when her house caught on fire with her kids in it and she wasn't there but at the bar. The family are known for trouble and you see where shes at . At home sitting back laughing at us all.Shes been messing with this boy for a longtime. Most of the town knows about, it wasn't no secret.

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28auntie(6 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

NO! love is not making nothing up its all true .. go to the search on the site and type in the shuler name, and read for your self that what she says is true from her uncle shooting his brother an her cousin getting shot ..but i asked my nephew in question (14 yr) about him and shuler and i come to find out that not him but she is dating a 14yr ,not only that she is married to a 20yr who is now in the nut house cause of the drama she put him through, i think me an love should get togather for coffee and compare notes ,,

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29Ciara2223(16 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

That is so wrong/ignorant to put judgement on every parent who have children out here that is in a gang or just living their life wrong. That doesn't mean their parents lived a life of crime as well as their child.

I would also like to comment on how some of these police officers are doing their job, their are some racist ones in the bunch (I am not just referring to just one race/nationality either).

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30najjjj(106 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Wow. I am simply astonished. The point about grammatical issues is this: if you cannot be understood through either the spoken or written word, you cannot make a point, valid or otherwise. I grew up in Youngstown, but moved away many years ago. I received a fine education there and have many wonderful memories of the area. I am truly sadden to see the decline of the city and its people.

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31holdinweight(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

foxtrot, before you decide to create your own census pertaining to the south side, I think you should think about this. First off, are you from the south side? If so then you would have a better assessment of the people that dwell there. Everyone that lives there aren't on SSI and welfare and don't pay taxes. I grew up on the south side, Delason to be exact. My grandmother still lives there. #1. Not on welfare or SSI, she survives on my grandfather's pension from the mill he used to work at, as do many grandparents do. #2. We have a lot of retired GM and Packard workers living there. There are MANY good people living in Youngstown and most are accustomed to their surrounding and live by the older credo, "Don't mess with them and they won't mess with you". Just because there are young bucks out there running and ripping does give you the right to want to tear down honest peoples homes. I went to school with the Shuler woman in question , from Hillman to Rayen, and I can attest that she always was in some sort of quarrel with someone. I love Youngstown for making me the man I am today. Just like the New York motto says, "If you can make it here you can make it anywhere".

J. Franklin

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32holdinweight(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

oops gonna be crucified for typing "does" instead of "doesn't". But you readers get my point.

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33holdinweight(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

ok as with anything that a generation represents ie; baby boomers, there will soon be a decline, but to have the audacity to want to demolish a whole side of town for industrial parks? PLEASE!!! Have you even drove around youngstown? You probably USED to live here 10 years ago and haven't been back since. Do you see how many decrepit buildings there are in the already industrial area we have? Why not revamp or rebuild those? See I see that you are up on your current events and politics... Im not talking politics, I'm talking people. I'm plainly stating that its absurd for you to suggest to tear down an area to build for industry to "create jobs" when, 1. Where do you think the people will move to that get pushed out of their homes to create said jobs?( I mean, why "create jobs" when there are no workers to fill the positions) Nooo you want to move out the lower class people to get area to create jobs for middle class, Lake Milton, McDonald, Austintown, Boardman, etc. men/women to fill. Now. mind you, I agree that many people from the lower class areas in Youngstown are either uneducated or under-educated and shouldn't be expected to run a company or be a foreman (immediately) but its not the lack of jobs in the area. It's the lack of skills and/or the desire to acquire the skills OR and it really hurts to say this in 2009, the fact that many in the lower class are Black or Hispanic and are sometimes treated like they are incapable to handle a position straight from the gate. Before you decide to comment on the last statement, I'm not trying to turn this into a racial thing, but it is what it is. If employers didn't have the tendency to be biased when it came to race, color, sex, culture, there wouldn't be a need for Affirmative Action Programs or for employers to boast on their applications "We are an Equal Opportunity Employer". Like I said before, if you were from the south side, or even from youngstown at that you'd be less apt to condemn a WHOLE side of town just because we have some people who don't care about the quality of life. I'm Youngstown born and Youngstown bred and I can honestly say that I know more honest ( not necessarily hard working) than I know knuckle heads and I'm from the worst era of our city. The time when bloods and crips roamed, the time when we had over 55 murders in 1995, the era of the crack baby. Now we have those crack babies or the offspring of a crack home having babies. But that's another story

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34holdinweight(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

oh! and building on our already industrial zoned land will create jobs for all the plumbers, construction workers and other people normally involved in site development... I mean they sure decided to build a convocation center...but for who? if its for youngstown why not have some urban entertainment there...Me and my colleagues tried to get the chevy center for a concert or a comedy show and we never got a call back...but i bet if they wanted to have the ice-capades(spelling) there or yanni i bet we'd see ads for that in the vindy soon. Who in the urban neighborhoods even watch arena football...or wrestling...or HOCKEY!!...these are all for mostly the suburban demographic... but why not have something that will draw the urban kids in...then MAAAAAYBE they would have something to look forward to something to want to go out to get a job and get money so they can attend...

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35holdinweight(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

well played foxtrot...well played....but the little wayne concert at the chevy center was a success..not a stitch of violence..a couple no shows...but a calm night...i see we're going to be apples/oranges on this...i have to be on the lookout for more of your posts

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36rex(64 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

If we knock down a few of the buildings on a couple of the worse streets, we would have room to build an enclosed colliseum type structure. This building could be made available for people who want to "settle their differences". The enclosure will protect innocent neighbors from stray gunfire. The people involved are going to shoot each other anyways so; lets just make it safer for the rest of the community.

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37Lou123(5 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Parents have to start taking control of their kids...it starts at home first. We can't let the streets raise our children or else this is what happens. I agree with Auntie...start holding the parents accountable for their kids actions, I bet the outcome will be a lot different.

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38Lady41(2 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Before we start getting dirty and personal,people should stop pointing out different sides of town. Boardman,Austintown are no different than any other parts of the world,crimes happen in your areas to.I have picked up the vindicator plenty of times,and read articles where you leave Boardman and austintown,and come to Youngstown where everyone think the crimes so terrible,and buy your drugs and beer and go home.but you didn't quite make it got pulled over ,and got busted with your drugs.crime is everywhere.and as for wanting to tear down peoples homes,because of the crime,it would,t be a house standing, not even yours.Yes the crime is higher in some areas than others,way more action needs to be taken,parents should take time and raise their children,when will the violence stop?kids shouldn't be dead at15,but it's happening,we need to pull together,work together on making the streets safe,and saving the children of today so they will be here tomorrow.God bless us All.

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39Chief178(57 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I don't know what is wrong with all of you arguing over this, I move out of Youngstown over 20 years a go and the problem starter on the south side after the 1968 riots when Dr. King was killed. You may not remember but National Guard tanks were rolling up and down my south side street, tear gas. That is when the decent people started moving out and the welfare state of the south side started, check your history I lived it.

This stuff has culminated for 40 years the tugs took over a long time ago. As for this family police can’t help them, the mayor can’t help them, the church can’t help them. My mother said God helps them who helps themselves, only they can brake the cycle.

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