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Obama’s statement was a slap at U.S. Christians



Published: Fri, April 10, 2009 @ 12:00 a.m.

Obama said he’d nurture our auto industry; he’s killing it

EDITOR:

As a 59-year resident of Mahoning County, I have seen my share of presidential candidates come into our Valley for support prior to election time and make their promises and just say the magic words that people would like to hear. This was accomplished by President Obama’s campaign just a few months ago. Remember?

Obama came to our Valley seeking the support of all autoworkers and vowed that auto manufacturing was important to our Valley and for our nation’s economy.

However, it seems that our “new” president has had a change of heart. Obama and his task force have pressured General Motors CEO Rick Wagoner to step down from his post, but said that Mr. Wagoner would resign.

Also can you even imagine our government handling auto warranty issues? Yes, this is another idea of our president and his so-called task force. Just maybe our government will add this warranty work to the Internal Revenue Service.

Only $700 billion was given to AIG and other bank institutions without any questions asked but GM and Chrysler are being dragged over the coals about their “loan” request of $17 billion.

Now, since the Obamas have a “new” garden at the White House (this must be of great importance since it is being covered on the nightly news), I suggest that our president and his task force practice their gardening techniques ASAP.

To plant a garden is to sow a seed; nourishing the seed; watch it grow then harvest the produce. Obama came to our Valley and planted the seed (support auto industry) but now he and the task force is snuffing this seed out — stopping the growth before it can grow again. There will not be a harvest here in our Valley and anywhere in our country if he continues with his current plans, because bankruptcy could stop all commitment to build future automobiles here in our USA.

M.A. ESTOK

Poland Township

Obama’s statement was a slap at U.S. Christians

EDITOR:

I heard a sound clip on Fox News in which President Obama said that the people of the USA do not consider this a Christian country. Now, in all fairness, I did not vote for Mr. Obama, but he is still the president, and I want him to succeed in leading this great nation. To hear him say to the world that we do not consider this country a Christian nation is a disgrace and a slap in the face to every Christian in this country.

When I hear any leader in this country say words to that effect, it makes me ashamed to think I may have voted for them. Perhaps they should read the writings of our country’s founding fathers. They just might get an education as to just how much they believed in God and how they set this country up with God in mind.

I am not saying that everyone believes in God, and I am not saying that the government should have a state run religion. What I am saying is that when President Obama makes statements like he did, he does not speak for me or for millions of other God-fearing people in this country.

CARL BOGGS

Warren


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1tylersclark(182 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

With respect to Mr. Boggs, the founding fathers constructed the constitution--which deliberately makes no mention of God--with an eye toward ensuring this nation was not beholden to a church or religion, such as the empire they fled across the ocean.

To recognize that these United States are full of a diverse set of heritages and creeds is so obvious that it is only remarkable that other politicians and presidents have pretended Christians were the only sect that mattered.

Though many citizens are Christians, our country is neither now nor was it ever a "Christian nation." It has never been more important to emphasize our tolerance of diversity as we seek to partner with countries of varying beliefs around the world.

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2JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Well put, Tyler. The idea that Christianity trumps all else is a slap in the face to Jewish people from Moses to Sandy Koufax. If your knowledge of history comes from what you learn in church you may not be utilizing the best source of info.

I also agree (at least in principle) with the writer of the first letter. While the situation facing GM has changed quite a bit since last year's campaign the nature of politics hasn't and never will.

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3Mimi2BC(147 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

I truly couldn't have said it better, Tyler.

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4rmzrez(134 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

GREAT COMMENT TYLER

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5Woody(452 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Tyler, you are so far off. This is and was a Christian Nation. It was founded by Christians, populated by Christian. They only thing thing that the founders did not want was the government saying which flavor of Christianity to follow. They never meant to completely take religion out of our society. Obama swore an oath on a Bible, Congress opens with a prayer, and the Supreme Court has paintings, door handles and more devoted to the Ten Commandments.

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6cambridge(3101 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

I agree with what President Obama said. It is so refreshing to have a President that follows the Constitution.

It is also refreshing to have a President that retaliates against the people that actually attack America rather than use it as an excuse to attack the wrong nation. The way that the ship captain was rescued was a message to anyone that would attack America on his watch.

God bless America, President Obama and the Obama families new dog Bo.

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7paulydel(1325 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

This Presedint doesn't ahve a clue as to what is going on. He isand will be a one term President that will go down as the worst President in the history of the United States. He is definately an "Obamanation".

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8cambridge(3101 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Mission Accomplished.

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9JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Boggs,

Mr. Obama's statement was his own personal opinion. This is because I have said it before. He is a MUSLIM. He constantly rips at the values of the US citizens, bows to a muslim King and gives an IPOD with no bow to the Queen of England, The longest living monarch of that country. He has shown his true colors. When do we say enough and throw this administration out and start over. Maybe we can get some Patriotic and qualified candidates to run in both parties. We cannot survive 4 years of the Barry and Joe show. By the way Barrys new dog was not named after Shellys father he was named after Barry's initials B.O. Mans best friend.

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102blave(24 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

omg he disrespected the Queen? When will this hell ever end.

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112blave(24 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Say the words 'religion' or 'christian' in the newspaper and the fringe comes out of the woodwork. How dare you insult my Santa Claus?

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12babs68(58 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

paulydel...shame on you for saying Obama will go down as the worst President in the history of the United States. Didn't you know that Bush has already claimed that title.

I do agree w/ the posts about AIG and GM...all should be treated equal since my tax dollars are paying for it.

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13pci510(105 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

One reason B.O. may say this is because he wants the Muslims to live in America. If so, terrorism will rise as they do in other countries. Most of your muslim / islamic countries are third world countries and the Koran says to go to heaven you have to murder someone then commit suicide but even the constitution disagrees with killing. Was not a person to vote for B.O. and thank my God I didn't ! Posted by Allan

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14scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

O One
B Big
A A$$
M Mistake
A America

nuff said

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15cambridge(3101 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

JD010101:

Your upset because President Obama bowed to a Saudi King? Have you ever heard the expression, "when in Rome"? That is typical greeting from everyone to everyone in that part of the country.

When that same King came to this country Bush gave him a kiss and they walked off to be alone holding hands, I believe that is the typical greeting from a former male cheerleader. I can understand where this behavior was tolerated by Republicans because of their history of electing so many married men that enjoy kissing other men but I think they should have just gotten a room.

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162blave(24 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Cheerleader greeting. pretty good.

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17hellsbells(116 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

General Motors Corp. in 2003 sold $13.5 billion of bonds to help close its pension deficit. Some of those bonds come due in 2013. So if we bail them out now, will they be in good enough shape in two years to start paying? And still have enough to fund pensions?
I think those holding bonds are going to lose.

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18wearepack(26 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Thanks to those who responded to Mr. Boggs letter with a bit more information than he brought to his original writing.

To get a good idea of what many our nation's founders thought of Christianity, perhaps get a closer look at the Deism of their time, which is a nod to a power greater than ours, but by no means a nod to the God of the Bible.

I truly respect our Christian majority and the heritage that comes with them, and I want to be clear that the statements below are not mine, but those of what we call the "Founding Fathers."

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

"Revealed religion has no weight with me."

-Benjamin Franklin

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

"The 'divinity' of Jesus, is made a convenient cover for absurdity."

-John Adams

-Treaty of Tripoli, 1797

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19wearepack(26 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Sorry for the typo. The Treaty of Tripoli is the source of the second to last quote.

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20got2laugh2keepfrmcrying(3 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Woody...goes on to say that this nation was founded by Christians...Now I have learned something new, 'cause I didn't know that the Native Americans where Christian.

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21cbog76(22 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

I also agree that we ALL should read the writings of ALL our founding fathers. For when we do we will see statements like these....

"Belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the e in a country where World and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources." James Madison

"No nation has ever yet existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be."
Thomas Jefferson

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens.”
George Washington

Most, not all, but still most of our founding fathers were believers in God and realized that without God this, or any other nation, would not and could not survive for very long. These same leaders were schooled in Christian-Judeo principles and those same principles are what they used when they framed the Constitution. They understood that a state run religion would be, in the words of James Madison,
“an unhallowed perversion of the means of salvation."

What does all this mean?

I am proud to be an American, and to live in a country where, as Abraham Lincoln said,
“…that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.”

I am proud that I am a Christian and I understand that I am to love others as I love myself. This means it doesn’t matter what your political belief’s are and it doesn’t matter what your religious belief’s are. We may disagree, but let us not disagree on what we “think” others have said. Let us look at the facts and reason together from there.

If we are becoming a secular nation then everyone who believes in God ought to get on their knees and pray for guidance, because if we are to agree with our founding fathers then we know this great country of ours will not last long if we continue on our present course.

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22cbog76(22 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

I apolgize for my last post as there is a problem with the quote from James Madison, who is considered the Father of our Constitution. I wanted to make sure it was printed right..........

“The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man, that arguments which enforce it cannot be drawn from too many sources nor adapted with too much solicitude to the different characters and capacities impressed with it.” James Madison

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23Justin2204(13 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

And in summary Mr. Bogg, would you not agree with reading ALL of the text of President Obama's speech, in which he pretty much seems to agree with your last posts?

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24Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

This mighty country was formed by Christians for Christians and with a tolerance of others. Now the others don't want to tolerate us Christians.

We are a Christian Nation Obama. Our money still has in God we trust imprinted on it.
CHRISTIANITY ROCKS!

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25cambridge(3101 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

So, you don't believe in freedom of religion?

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26Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Most of the people who signed the the Constitution were Christians. You can be a christian and not want religious oppression. Many of our laws are based on the ten commandments that Christ told us to obey. This nation was established by Christians with Christian morals and beliefs. Maybe the real message from the president's comment, is that we we not a Christian nation any longer because of the actions of the people who live here! Just look at what is going on even in our our cities. Is this what our founding fathers wanted for our country. Do you think that this is what Christ wanted for us?

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27cambridge(3101 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

I thought he was a Muslim terrorist.

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28ufosd01(2 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Seem there are those on this site who have avoided some of the other quotes of our founding fathers, could it be deliberate or just ignorance

JAMES MADISON BELIEVED;

Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift [James 1:17] we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land."

Justice Brewer 1892

This final opinion was authored by Justice David J. Brewer, and his comments have become a virtual encyclopedia of the many references to faith in the founding of America. He concludes: "No purpose of action against religion can be imputed to any legislation, state or national, because this is a religious people. . . . This is a Christian nation."

It is rightly impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible … Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.

– First U.S. president, George Washington

If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants.

– William Penn, a contributor to the Constitution

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.

– John Adams, 1798

We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel.

– Benjamin Franklin

Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis – a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? … My views are the result of a lifetime of inquiry and reflection, and very different from the anti-Christian system imputed to me by those who know nothing of my opinions. To the corruptions of Christianity I am, indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines in preference to all others ...

– Thomas Jefferson

One of the greatest patriots among the U.S. founders was Patrick Henry. He made it clear which religion the U.S. founders believed: "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians ... Our country was founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."

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29cambridge(3101 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

I don't think that Native Americans ever heard of Jesus Christ.

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30cprof(1 comment)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Sometimes so-called Christians have curious perspectives. I am not speaking of those Christians on this post who express tolerance and love, which Jesus himself practiced. I talking about all of the rest, the so-called Christians. What are your feelings about the natives who were already here? What Christian principles did the forefathers apply to them. Whatever principles they were reduced their numbers so that there are very few of them left today. An in the midst of all the verbiage from the founding fathers there were, by that time, thousands of enslaved Africans. What principles of Christianity were applied regarding their status? If they had read the Bible, Acts 10:34 could have provided the answer for them regarding the natives and the slaves. I guess they had not read that far. And finally, if they could have consulted Jesus personally (they obviously had ignored his Biblical teachings) what do you think his Christian based counsel would have been? Was and or is America a Christian nation? I'll leave you to ponder these questions.

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31ufosd01(2 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Some one once wisely stated ; there are truths and then there is truth, our founding fathers had in their company those, who only performed lip service to Jesus Christ, just as we have them today, so please do not put all true believing Christians in the same company of those who by their actions prove they do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, even Christ knew not all of those who claim to follow him were his true disciples.
The Bible makes it clear there are false apostles and those who only use the cloak of Christ teachings to deceive and discredit his life giving gift to mankind.

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