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Students disciplined for out-of-code shoes
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Ashley Taylor, is a junior at Chaney High School and was told her shoes, which have red stitching and partially red soles, don't meet the Youngstown city school's dress code. She faces a three-day in-school suspension for the infraction.
By Harold Gwin
A total of 165 high school students were found to be in violation of the dress code.
YOUNGSTOWN — The superintendent of the Youngstown City Schools believes “you dress for the work that you have to do.”
That applies in real life where people must wear uniforms or special clothing in their jobs, and it also applies in school, where a child’s “work” is getting an education, said Wendy Webb.
The city schools have had a dress code in effect for a decade, and on Monday, school administrators cracked down on students at Chaney and East high schools who weren’t adhering to that code.
The offenders — 95 at East and 70 at Chaney — were told their shoes failed to meet the required standards of being solid black or brown dress or athletic shoes with only a slight amount of white or silver trim allowed.
Webb said parents were called and told their child could remain in school if the parent brought the appropriate footwear to the building, and about half of them did. Those whose parents couldn’t be reached were removed from their regular classes and placed in study halls so their education would continue, she said.
Everyone had been warned last week, including parents, that Monday was “D Day” for the shoe issue, Webb said, yet some chose to violate the policy.
Those who came back to school Tuesday with the same unacceptable shoes were placed on three-day in-school suspension, Webb said, noting the number totaled about 35 for the two high schools.
If they wear the same shoes to suspensions, they will be sent home, she said.
Ashley Taylor, a junior at Chaney, was one of those affected by the crackdown. She was wearing black athletic shoes with red stitching and partial red soles.
She wore the same shoes back to school Tuesday and got an in-school suspension, she said, adding she has no shoes to meet the requirement.
The shoes she wore last year were the same style and had even more red on them but were never challenged, Taylor said.
Webb acknowledged the enforcement of the shoe issue may have been a bit lax last year, but she said the dress code will be fully enforced this year.
“People will push it as far as they can push it,” she said, noting some students wore shoes of red and blue.
“The bottom line is we’ve got to push this back,” she said, adding if the shoe issue isn’t enforced, next it will be the pants and tops.
Webb said the dress code was initially enacted as a safety factor.
Some children were wearing designer shoes and designer coats to school but weren’t always in possession of those articles of clothing when they got home, she said. Putting everyone in the same “uniform” eliminated the likelihood of someone being a victim of theft or robbery, she said.
It also lessens the distractions and eliminates the debate over who has nicer clothing, she said.
The superintendent said she is aware Youngstown has an 85 percent poverty rate and not everyone can afford a second pair of shoes.
The district stands ready to assist those who are receiving government assistance, she said, explaining the schools will provide new shoes, shirts and pants to those who can’t afford them.
One of her goals is to develop a school store for that purpose, she said.
School prepares children for adulthood, and pupils need to learn that sometimes you must adhere to a dress code, she said. That’s just a part of growing up.
“The intent of this code is to emphasize a unity of purpose and to better focus on the value of education,” Webb wrote in a letter to parents.
The superintendent said she is aware that some parents are upset and frustrated.
Some of those parents plan to attend next Tuesday’s school board meeting at Paul C. Bunn Elementary at 6:30 p.m. to voice their concerns.
gwin@vindy.com
dmets (553 comments)posted 9 months, 14 days agograduationday: You don't get it. It is not just the schoolbaords fault. Shelley is a mother with children in the school district, so why would she not want more for her kids. She does. Don't really know much about the others. The low scores in all subjects, that does go back to the home. These poor kids have no guidence and some of these poor kids have more stresses then just school. They have adult responsibilities thrown at them, cause there parents don't work, so keeping a house over their head, utilities on, and food are more imporntant. I know this to be true cause i have friend who were in that place while in high school. But they were able to balance everything. Maybe the school distict needs to have a management class. I also think the YSC needs to have a school psychologist so students who do have problems DO have someone to turn to, talk to, and not have judgement pass on them, but they are given the tools to help themselves.
metz87 (804 comments)posted 9 months, 14 days ago Yes but I imagine a school where the don't teach you or just pass you through. You go home and just lie around and do nothing. If you keep getting screwred who wants to learn?
dmets (553 comments)posted 9 months, 14 days ago But if your parent(s) is/are never helping you from the start, even before you start school. Your already screwed!
metz87 (804 comments)posted 9 months, 14 days ago Well things have changed. Its not like the 50's.
dmets (553 comments)posted 9 months, 14 days ago I just don't how a parent can not want to help their child. Education is more important now then ever. I have been reading to my children since the day the were born. I have helped them learn so much before even preschool, one is in kidergarten, and one will be in preschool next year. People who do not want to put the time into raising a child right, should not have children in the first place.
metz87 (804 comments)posted 9 months, 14 days ago For amny reasons things hae changed and not for the best. For one kids want to be mre indepenat,their parets work longer and are younger themselve. Lots of 18 year old shave children now.
clayor (281 comments)posted 9 months, 13 days ago hello.....shoes are important!
dmets (553 comments)posted 9 months, 13 days ago Well these parents need to make sacraficies! I quit work to be a stay at mom, with 100% support from my husband. These kids need to quit wanting to grow up too fast, the ones that can. Enjoy childhood cause it goes by too fast already. Don't worry about keeping with the Jones, and make them slow down to you!
ltcriego (1 comments)posted 9 months, 13 days ago I understand the need for dress codes in the schools, however, but to suspend a child, because the STETCHING on the tennis shoes is taking things way too far. The schools are for educational purposes.... were the guides reinterated to the parents. Are the parents to go "Buy" new shoes to accomodate the change in rules... etc.
Children go to school for education... not random disciplinary actions.
mary110202 (4 comments)posted 9 months, 13 days ago ok Several of you have many interesting comments, but how many of you work in the schools as a teacher?? LA is not rich by any means as a school district yet things are getting done. Good quality teachers (not those there for just a paycheck) do make a difference, but EDUCATION starts with the parents back at age 2-3. Yes 2-3. Make rules for th e kids and have them follow instead of wimping out cuz Johnny will make a fuss. No means NO. We have kids getting free lunches, throwing it away cuz it "wasn't good enough" yet they have Ipods, phones with camers, shuffles,,,, If they have household money for such items, they have money for dress code regulation shoes. Poverty is one thing, free reign of breaking rules is another thing. Do you think those of us with full time jobs could appear in our PJ bottoms and still be employed. Yet kids wear t hem and slippers to school and see no problem with it. Saggin' pants, Gshirts, Do-rags.. all come form prison life and are now acceptable as street clothing. WHY??? Dress codes are needed and need to be enforced !
metz87 (804 comments)posted 9 months, 13 days ago those things I can see but shoes? As far as I know Youngstown is the only school in our area that tels you what color your shows have to be.
dmets (553 comments)posted 9 months, 13 days ago Shoes can still be wore with colors of gangs. I think that is the biggest reason for what color or colors the shoes are able to be is decided for the students. I was never allowed to wear tennis shoes in school. We had to waer dress/causal dress shoes.
deaner10 (1 comments)posted 9 months, 13 days ago To those commenting on the parents lack of ability to afford only one pair of shoes...I, too, can understand the concept of not being able to afford possible having to buy another pair of shoes but my comment is this...When I look at the picture of the shoes the student from Chaney was wearing, they bear a STRIKING resemblance to the pair that my nephew wanted only 3 weeks ago. The cost... $80. I've heard kids say they won't wear anything except "jordans" or what have u. You ask, What is the school's priority? I ask...what is the parents priority?
metz87 (804 comments)posted 9 months, 13 days ago Dress shoes? Come on it's school man not like you are going to the royal ball or soemthing.
dmets (553 comments)posted 9 months, 12 days ago I did not mean as in shoes you wear to prom. More like business style shoes. Casual dress, not heels or extremely dressy shoes. Just no tennis shoes. The concept is a good one. They just the punishment to fit. Like i said kids need to learn. They should be giving a warning first time, then detentions, and even saturday detentions. Keep kids after school and on a day off, on their time, not sending them into ISS or home. The kids need to be in school learning!!!
mary110202 (4 comments)posted 9 months, 12 days ago You do realize that Saturday schools cost money?? Teachers do this duty as a choice and are paid for their time. Here in LA, the going rate is 35.90 a hour (times 4) So I could make $143.60 each Saturday I chose to work. Now multiply that by 3 teachers per building; and don'tforget water,electric and gas usage. Do you see how expense Saturdays become. The school district can recoup some of the money by using student attendance reinbursement funds from the state, but it is not the best way to go. A few suspensions may get the message across. It did here. But I do agree that Webb and the entire Y-town area needs to find ways to increase student academic improvement. At one time when the mills were in full swing, it was ok to drop out and go to work. Not the case now. Each person needs to finish, pass the Ohio Exit Exam (or whatever you call it), learn valuable skills for employment,correct word usage, social skills,,, to become employable.
metz87 (804 comments)posted 9 months, 12 days ago Well it is hard to find a job so many don't even bother,
Ytownnative (49 comments)posted 9 months, 11 days ago Ok I have a daughter at chaney
My wife and I have been married for 24 years.
She has a part time job
most of her classes are honors classes
She has had 1 B since 8th grade (She is s junior)
She has rules that she follows and parents at home who are involved.
She spent a day in ISS because her shoelaces were dark brown instead of black.
This is the priority of the YCS because they can't solve any of the real problems they have in the district.
We have elected the most incompetent people available BUT they do need a 9.5 mil levy passed o we can keep up our excellent record we have here in Youngstown (Passing 1 out of 30 areas)
Next will will have the all of youngstown students will be criminals if we dont pass the levy.
Then, as i said in another post, they will tell us the flaming hamster of doom will swoop from the sky and burn our villages if we dont pass the levy.
well seeing as I live in this thriving metropolis driving my fine 1987 jeep and the wife's 1992 Pontiac in my 10,000 sq ft mansion on the west side I guess I could spend some of the money just flowing from my wallet on the outstanding school system we have here.
Just kidding I had to dig for change to buy eggs for breakfast and it will be a cold day you know where before I would give Webb & co a penny of my money.
I got a deal for the whole board of education. if it really for the benefit of the kids, all of you resign and you have my vote for the levy.
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Good for the schools. School shouldn't be about who dresses better than someone else its about education. It is taught early in life because your work requirements in life will dictate what you wear.
I am so glad we have solved all the other problems in the schools such as the violence, truancy, and the budget is all balanced so now we can take that 4.0 student and put a few suspensions in their records because they dont have the proper shoelaces. You dont fix the sail on a sinking boat you fix the hole in the boat first. Why not deal with the major problems first and when the schools arent on lockdown every hour they are in session then you can worry about red thread on a students shoes.
"School shouldn't be about who dresses better than someone else its about education."
I find it ironic you've said that. As a Chaney High School student, I know that no matter what you make us wear, you will still be judged. It's not about 'dressing better than someone else'. It's our personalities. I understand that some people represent gangs through their clothing, but I fully believe they should be dealt with individually. We are High School Students. Most of us have gone through more in our teenage years than half of the adults in this world. Almost all of my friends have been suspended for three days. Which means no homecoming or other school activities. I'm a junior in highschool; this is supposed to be the time of my life. We aren't in junior high, we are responsible enough to take care of ourselves. If you treats us like prisoners, we'll act like them. I agree with the other comment. What is this really accomplishing? Okay, I'm perfectly in dress code and that's going to make me safe? No, it won't. The problem is more than dresscode, and it is definately more than the freshmen. There are problems, but there are so many other ways to solve them. A student at school, with a record of fights, swore at a teacher and received one day in ISS. Students who had PERFECTLY CLEAN records have been suspended for three days. We deserve to be treated as young adults, and as young adults we need to make some decisions ourselves. We need privileges and responsibilities. If we mess up, then punish those who deserve it.
Ridiculous! You have absolutely got to be kidding me! This is what Webb chose to focus on? Where pray tell did the Y-town school system get the money to provide shoes for students? The belief that having uniforms in anyway levels the playing field is a joke... you can buy khaki and blue pants at A&F... so the kids whose parents can only afford Walmart uniforms still know the difference. Same can be said for shoes. If Webb is at a loss for things to do.... skip picking on shoe violations and work on providing a quality education for these children. I believe that making students where uniforms only prepares them for a job that they will wear a uniform at..... "do you want fries with your Big Mac?". A dress code is one thing.... shoe violations.... again, ridiculous.
Uniforms are a good thing. I wore them all throughout school. It made it very easy on me every morning when I got ready. It was also alot cheaper on my parents. I completely understand the reasoning behind the uniforms. Webb was not in the schools finding the violations. The tearchers are the ones who noticed them. I also know it is alot harder to tell the difference between mall bought pants and shirts, and wal-mart style pants and shirts. I think school should not focus on what you are waering and uniforms take that out of the equation. As for shoe violation, what type of shoes you are allowed to waer is all part of the dress code! My parents could afford what ever store I wanted to go to, but I chose not to waste money on expensive clothes or shoes! It's not the clothes that make the person. It's the person in those clothes who make the clothes and the person. Youngstown schools do not buy the students shoes. They are resposible for getting there own! I went to school for an education, not a fashion show!
To the Chaney High School student. All of you have been wearing uniforms for years now. The dress code has not changed. It a simple rule and direction. I think you should get a warning for a first offense and given a second chance. I do agree that they may take it to the extreme on the first offense.
dmets... read the article again.... they will provide shoes for people that do not have "in code" shoes due to the fact that most cannot afford a second pair of shoes. If you truly believe that this is where Y-town needs to focus their attention you are lost..... they are a failing school.... they need to focus on academics! And trust me when I tell you children know the difference between top brand and Walmart uniform clothing. As I said above.... you can purchase "in code" pants at A&F... the social classes will continue to be shown regardless of dress codes. If your child was a straight "A" student and you couldn't afford "in code" shoes would you appreciate an "in school suspension" on your child's record? What a way to encourage children..... keep on telling them what is important, uniforms over academics. You've missed the point entirely.... this is not what is important... education, education, EDUCATION!
As for it being cheaper.... how so? Did you wear your uniform to play in on weekends? Go to church in? Out to dinner with your family? I think not. Your parents had to provide two sets of clothing, one for school and one for everything else.
dmets... here's the excerpt from the above article about providing school shoes... "The superintendent said she is aware Youngstown has an 85 percent poverty rate and not everyone can afford a second pair of shoes.
The district stands ready to assist those who are receiving government assistance, she said, explaining the schools will provide new shoes, shirts and pants to those who can’t afford them.
One of her goals is to develop a school store for that purpose, she said."
Mimi, honey, how are you? I love the passion, but bear in mind that for all we know, the new clothing might be donated rather than purchased by the school system. Webb said "provide" not buy. "Store" could just refer to an in school supply. We can't assume the school is trying to make money off of dress code enforcement.
I agree with dmets--I wish my girls wore uniforms to school, and uniforms do eliminate some focus on clothing (we all know kids need to focus less on clothing).
However, on Mimi's side, I'm also not comfortable with the idea of good kids getting three days ISS over shoes.
Honestly, I'd need more than a week's notice to come up with a new pair of shoes for one of my children when we consider the time to shop, the style, the size, the price. And I know really good parents who push the dress code all of the time; I'm certain the shorts my daughter had on today were a little shy of "fingertip" length (shh, don't tell anyone).
That said, my school isn't dealing with clothing-related safety problems, and if it was, my perspective might be more in line with Webb's.
I'm great George! I am not against enforcement of the rules. They are what is in place. I am against the focus being on the uniforms. I would have rather read an article about Webb and her ground breaking ideas for educating her students. I have an immense amount of sympathy for the parents that bought the shoes they could afford... I think this actually pointed out in great detail the less advantaged children.... imagine how they must have felt to have to return to school in the same shoes because their parents couldn't afford another pair of shoes. I just don't see uniforms as the leveler here. I truly am just disappointed over this article on the whole.... I wish I knew the children.... I would buy the damn shoes myself. Then maybe, just maybe they could get back to education. Oh.. and about the store I didn't take it to mean "for profit" either. I'll withhold judgement on where the shoes came from for now, but I didn't read anything about donation to Y-town schools. I'm surely going to try to find out if there is a donation program.... so I can send some, of course.
I wore a uniform throughout high school, so I don't necessarily have a problem with the uniform per se, but sticking the kids in a study hall the rest of the day if they have the wrong shoes? Then an in-school suspension on the second offense? How is that helping their education? Give them a detention if you must, but keep them in class! They are just shoes, and the Y-town schools need to get their priorities straight. It is still a school, not a jail.
I remember when they implemented this dress code, the point is, the students and parents know what the dress code is, from the shirts to the shoes. Follow it and have no problem. If you don't obey the rules then deal with the consequences. Some of these parents have been dealing with this dress code since it began, so this is nothing new. If someone can't afford shoes, work something out with the school and allow your child to attend school until your next pay or whatever, go to your church, churches are willing to help if truly in need, family members, friends, 2nd hand stores, etc. I think that after a few times, you need to be suspended for disobeying the rules.
I remember when I was a student I was out of dress code 1 time, they did not call my parents, I was out of dress code because I unexpectantly had to spend the night over my grandma's house. I got thru about to 5th period before someone noticed and I was sent to study hall, where I was bored! My education was not continued, because I was missing my other classes, like math and english. Ms. Webb just is enforcing the rules.
I think the students are getting suspended not ISS. They do not get to go to homecoming or other event because of the "discipline problem". I am willing to bet when it comes to ADM week the students could wear clown suits and there would be no problems. It seems to me the children have been drafted into the Youngstown schools. Student cusses out taecher and receives 1 day ISS; student wears wrong color shoes laces or has the wrong number of buttons on their shirt and receives 3 days at home. If any of you have time around 2:50 drive by chaney you can watch all the srudents who have skipped school walking up to the busses before school is out and noone says anything to them. I've had to go in the school a few times last year and during class there are 25-50 students just standing around in the halls BSing. Also hasnt Youngstown schools had another year of academnic failure? I guess we can look for another school to close then the Webb crew can have another four year before they have to answer for the academic failures. Or maybe it was a coincidence that Rayen and Wilson would of qualified for school vouchers but were closed instead. If you other parents would prefer a child that can dress in a uniform they YCS may be for you I prefer mine to have a decent education with whatever color shoelaces she would like to wear.
I believe that Mrs. Webb and all of the Youngstown City School employees should be required to wear the uniforms according to "their requirements"! First of all, the dress code requirements state white and blue polos. Unfortunately, at Chaney the freshman are only allowed to wear white polos and the juniors must only wear blue. Go into any department store and try to purchase just a blue polo. Not possible. Maybe the staff should try and get to know the children a little better, then saying "Well that's a freshmen, because he is in white." One child from Chaney was sent home because she had five buttons on her shirt instead of three. Where is the education? Youngstown schools wonder why the charter schools are obtaining most of their students. The charter schools have more respect for the children. They teach the children not only how to respect the next person and work with them by not just throwing them to the street.But they receive all the education they require. When will Youngstown City schools educate the children and not worry about a little bit of white, green, or pink on their shoes? Rumor has it now that they are going to try and stop the children from where dickey pants? Give me a brake! Maybe they should worry about whether they have enough books in the school or better computers to teach the children. Or even some extra teachers to teach!
Mimi: Just cause there is one artical on uniform violations, does not make it their focus. You are blowing it way out of proportion. Let be the one to tell you, wearing uniforms was much cheaper then having to wear regular clothes. I was able to wear the same uniforms all throughout high school. We had to wear skirts that were purchased through a uniform company. So every girl had the same uniform skirt. My parents spent way much more money on clothing for my brother who did go to Chaney for high school, before the uniform days. As for buying them shoes and uniforms, Webb said PROVIDE. That does not mean they are running out buying all new things for the students who can not afford them. Yes I did read the artical. I did say that they should not be as tough on first offenses. But to be honest with you. One person above who goes to Chaney says its like a prision, so they will act like they are in one. The school I went to was more strict then any school. We respected and followeed the rules. If you did not you got a conduct card, along with a detention. If you would all quit complaining about the rules and just follow them, school would be fun. Every rule is put there for the benefit and safety of the students and the staff.
dmets.... I have already said I agree with dress code policy. Let me try to put it more simply.... if a tree came through the roof of your house, would you fix the hole first or would you dust the furniture? Life is about prioritizing and picking battles.... I'd much rather they focus on the education first and once they have that mastered they can be picky about shoes.
I can not beleive that the school year has not been in session for less than a month and as a parent of two high school students that attend Chaney...this is bulls--t. Wendy Webb needs to be more concern on proof reading the out-rages levy she is trying to pass. Wait here are a few more suggestions to place on the table Ms Webb, how about coming up with some solutions on "what we can do to help our students pass this OGT must pass to graduate testing". Wendy Webb state that you are preparing our students for the real world, well lets take a look at your real world...Most of your teacher dress improperly, are teachers required a dress code. Not even teachers, I have gone into the office from your adminstration building to the attendance office at Chaney, due they require a dress code...we all must lead by example.I can not beleive at this critical moment you are worried about stitching in a shoe. Or how about one more Wendy Webb, how can we get out of a state of academic emegency....I am for the dress code, that is fine, but when you pick at the slights thing on students--be glad they are in school, trying to learn something.
Ironic how today on vindy.com they have a article on how YCS has passed 1 out of 30 requirements. I need a job on the schoolboard where I dont have to worry about any type of job performance. Just go to meetings, hear people complain, do nothing or pick something real easy to do like enforce shoes, go home, and collect paycheck. How do we remove these people from the positions?
Why so strict on the color of shoes? If they are no orange or bright pink what is the problem?
mimi: i believe they need to overhaul the youngstown city school system. I beleive they need to get rid of Webb and many teachers. The need to rebuild the broken system, and they need someone to step up and do it!
But who will that be and when?
The parents of Youngstown students need to speak out and vote out the school board. I agree education comes first and to keep a student out of school for their shoes being the wrong color or trim is ridiculous. Did she communicate to the parents prior to school beginning that they would crack down on shoes? Parents in Youngstown have limited incomes and the one pair of shoes bought for a child may be the only pair that the parent can afford to buy. Now, she says come tell parents who are barely making it to tell her their financial situation and the schools will try to help purchase an additional pair of shoes for the child but in the mean time, the child can not attend class. Enforcement without a plan is great for some one who can't balance a budget.
I'm not sure who or when. I chose to move out of Youngstown, so when I did have chilren and they were old enough for school, they didn't have to go to YCS. I was lucky enough to have gone to catholic school. I was given the choice, and they had golf. My brother also just graduated from Chaney and told me to go to UHS. I don't honestly think this is only the school boards problem. There are so many factors into why the school system is failing. Parents need to rally and have their voices heard.
They have problms that are more impoatnt then the color of shoes for sure. Guess it is easier to go aftr then changing how they spend thier money.
dmets,
If you recall, UHS's discipline for dress code violations wasn't nearly as tough as YCS'. On a first violation there was a conduct card which called for 5 points off of the conduct score. I don't recall a detention on the first offense. And I certainly know that UHS didn't issue a 3 day in school suspension for the second offense. In addition, UHS's shoe code was more flexible than Chaney's. Let's be reasonable here. I agree that uniforms can actually save money, but let's not go overboard with the punishment for students who are out of compliance. The kids need to be in class, not in some study hall somewhere.
"Did she communicate to the parents prior to school beginning that they would crack down on shoes?"
Students were given a paper on Thursday or Friday informing them that Monday would be "D-Day" for shoes. We were not told last year, at least to my knowledge.
Eric actually when I was UHS we were never able to wear tennis shoes at all. We had to wear dress/casual shoes. So our shoe code was much more strict. I did also say I think that CHS is to hard on uniform violations. But also rememebr if you fail coduct, at UHS, you fail that nine weeks no matter your grades. Plus you could be kicked out of school. But kids did not complain about the uniforms and dress code. Yes back when I was at UHS the dress code was very strict, much more then it is now. Maybe Chaney needs to have levels for offenses and punishments for each level. Maybe verbal warning, written warning, and so on. But I do not think a child should be sent home or given ISS ever for uniform violations. Taking them out of class or sending them home is probbaly what they are looking for. I think after school dententions, missing a dance or game, and even sat dententions are the asnwers.
yeah if you don't want to go to school just wear sandals or baggy pants. Kids will use that to their advantage.
I never wanted my children in Y-town schools! I graduated from one and couldn't wait to get out. The last straw for me was when my daughter brought home one of her books to do homework. I looked at the book noticing it looked.....different. She handed it to me and that's when I saw it, it was made the year she was born, 1996,12 yrs ago! Webb is having a fit over this when there are other issues that need to be taken care of? I am one of those parents who cannot afford to get my children many uniforms and shoes. I try my best and my children have done well. My point is, school is about education. Webb is trying to say that on one hand she understands the poverty rate here in the city then on the other hand, "kids will push it and they have to push back." Ridiculous! There focus should be on giving our children the education they deserve.
OldManGrump: What do you mean by:Uniforms do not make the student as the Catholic schools have shown for so many years?
Uniforms do not make students learn better,jsut look better. The etachers are the real reason schools do good or bad.
i think some r missing the point, when u have civilization out balance someone has to take measures to put it back in balance. the offenders will always think it is tooo harsh, or they should focus on something else. it is up to the admin to determine what the penalty for breaking rules are.if the policy has been in affect for a year and you didn't bother to buy shoes before that were in accord to the rules you are in violation. at what point must we as a society start enforcing rules with our children? our children are out of control and we need to rein them in.quit crying and accept the punishment and move on. until discipline is reinforced in school there will be no learning.
resist I agree with you, I am Black and I think race mixing should be outlawed. although your true diversity as you put it comes from race mixing.
I completely agree with you OldManGrump.
And it seems they don't want to tackle the real problem they have.
OldManGrump- new books are part of the problem. How can children learn anything substantial if they are being taught from books dated many years ago? Webb is worthless to me, this isn't the first and probably not the last, that Y-town schools have failed according to state regulations. There is a huge lack of responsibility and it falls on Webb's shoulders. I feel that as long as my children have shoes and uniforms to attend school, they are present, that's all that counts. A program by the Bd. of Ed. should've been implemented a long time ago for any and all students attending Y-town city schools.Considering the fact that she's aware of the "poverty" in this city. The uniforms are not cheap!Stop avoiding the main issue at hand Webb, fix Y-town's educational system, that is what you're getting paid for, correct?
I would go to the school board office at AMS and tell them whats' up.
Well it was but she sure seems to be doing anytihng but fixng it. The alst comment can be ignored since I typed it ehre instead of somewhere else,sorry about that.
YCS failing is not just the fault of Webb. It is a combind non effort of Webb, the school board, teachers, and parents.
As a teacher in LA, Calif, I can tell you that Webb is on the right track. We do not allow colored shoe laces,or shoes with red, blue or silver since many gangers will use them as affilication identify. We also had to ban brown and white polka dot items, as that too is a gang color. The city is dire straights and it needs to be active in trying to keep the schools as safe as possible. Recently, at my campus(we call all schools campuses) a student was shot for the wrong color shoes. Wake up people!!! I know Ytown, grew up there and even worked at South and Rayen. A good training for LA schools. We do not have armed guards, as the city school did back in the 70-80s. Wish we did !!!
Ok but just because you have colored shoes does not mean you are a bad person. Like airport secriuty we have gone overboard and asume everyone is bad.
This is a good policy because we all have to adhere to some type of dress code when we enter the workplace. I survived 12 years of Catholic school with uniforms. When I went to college, it was my first public school experience. It was there that I saw how much my parents saved by not being required to purchase so many clothes for me. I am now a mother and see how my child is rough on clothes. It is cheaper to have play clothes you can let your children run and roll around in and uniforms that are expected to be treated with pride and respect. Uniforms help instill self-confidence by looking neat and clean and they are a no brainer when you wake up in the morning to get dressed. I see nothing wrong with setting parameters and expecting adherence to it. We all have parameters (called laws in daily life or personnel codes at work) that, as adults, we must abide by.
qwiturbichin Dress your kids for success instead of allowing them to grow up into the thugs they are!
You see culd you picture this a dress code where they require you to only war a certian barnad off clothig or a color? At times I tihnk they do expect too much or get silly with it.
No the issue is why do they need a levy to try to fix things? And of course they still would not change how they do thins s it really would not matter anyways.
You're all missing the point. It is not about sneakers, dress codes, and educating our youth, the underlying isssue is about "What Starts in the Home". The majority of these non-compliant kids is that they have no quality "home life". This is just an extension of the non-discipline they receive at home extending to the school grounds and into the classroom. Daddy has to show up SOMETIMES and Mommy needs to spend her time with her kids instead of getting her nails "done" and a new "Doo".
True, and good question.
lostpatrol-that is not right...and oldmangrump..what have you done to help...that is right help instead of complaining about the city, and where the fathers are. i attended the school board meeting last night and i decided that since most of the board members don't care about our students, a group of parents decided that we would take charge and get the board restructed if that is what it takes to get us out of this mess they have put us in. Nothing was setteled at the meeting, Webb spoke her peace and that was it, but she did tell us to leave our name and number and she would get back to us...Well Wendy, we woundn't hold our breaths, but you will see more action on the parents part.