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Democrats accuse locals of being racist toward Obama

Published: Tue, September 16, 2008 @ 12:00 a.m.

By David Skolnick

A local Republican official is shocked by the Democratic legislators’ comments.

YOUNGSTOWN — With the Republican presidential and vice presidential nominees in the Mahoning Valley today for a rally, two local Democratic state legislators said they believe a main reason polls show a tight race is because of racist voters.

“Race — that’s the only reason people in the Valley won’t vote for him,” said state Rep. Thomas Letson of Warren, D-64th, about Barack Obama, his party’s presidential nominee. “There are 1,000 reasons to vote for Obama and one reason why you won’t — race.”

“Staunch Republicans” who make up 35 percent to 40 percent of the population would never vote for a Democrat regardless of race, Letson said.

It is the independents, the “swing voters” and Democrats who are or will support Republican John McCain who are the “racists,” Letson and state Rep. Robert F. Hagan of Youngstown, D-60th, said.

The comments were made Monday with the pair criticizing McCain, a U.S. senator from Arizona, and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, his vice presidential running mate.

When told of the comments from Hagan and Letson, Mark Munroe, the Mahoning County Republican vice chairman, said he was shocked.

“These guys have gone off the deep end,” he said. “This is probably the most absurd and disgusting comment we’ve heard from our elected Democratic legislators.”

While acknowledging “race may explain why some people vote for or against Obama,” Munroe said there are many reasons why people wouldn’t support him. They include, he said, Obama’s inexperience, his “liberal voting record,” and his position on the war in Iraq.

McCain and Palin are holding a “Victory 2008 Rally” at Winner Aviation at the Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport in Vienna. The doors will open at 1 p.m., with McCain and Palin expected to hit the stage at 4:10 p.m.

“When we speak to swing voters and we talk of issues, the only reason they’re undecided is because of race,” Hagan said.

Obama’s father was black. Obama is a U.S. senator from Illinois.

Youngstown Mayor Jay Williams, the city’s first elected black mayor and an Obama supporter, said he is “not going to accuse someone of being racist because they vote for McCain. I’m not criticizing Representatives Hagan or Letson. If [what they said] shakes people up and has them look at this issue, then so be it.”

This is McCain’s third campaign visit to the Valley since April and the first time Palin is in the area.

The Winner hangar was the location for an Oct. 27, 2004, campaign rally for President Bush with about 11,000 in attendance.

Today’s event is expected to attract 5,000 to 7,000, Munroe said.

“If we can reach that, we’d be happy,” he said. “There was not an expectation to meet Bush’s number. He was a sitting president at the time.”

Hagan and Letson sharply criticized the decision to select Palin as McCain’s running mate, saying she’s too inexperienced for the job.

“You’re looking at two people that are more qualified to be vice president then the one that’s up there as the Republican,” said Hagan, a longtime state legislator.

After today’s rally, Palin is off to fund-raising events in other parts of Ohio. But McCain is staying put.

McCain will be a guest on the Wednesday broadcast of ABC’s “Good Morning America” at the Gustavus farm of Henry and Linda Lipps. The show airs from 7 to 9 a.m.

McCain and Palin aren’t the only candidates to make a visit this week to the Mahoning Valley.

U.S. Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, will hold a rally Thursday evening in downtown Youngstown as part of his “Change We Need” tour.

The campaign hadn’t finalized the time and location of Biden’s appearance. But those with knowledge of the event say it will be on West Federal Street, near Phelps Street, about 6:45 or 7 p.m. The campaign decided on West Federal Street, selecting it over Stambaugh Auditorium.

The campaign is hoping the rally can attract about 1,000 people.

“Are people interesting in seeing Joe Biden?” Munroe asked, sarcastically. “It would be interesting to see how many people will come see Joe Biden. He certainly hasn’t excited the crowds like Sarah Palin has.”



1hinnis(3 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

The "if you don't vote for Obama you are a racist" argument is really getting old. The race-baiting and race card throwing tactics of Obama and his supporters has set race relations back 50 years, and this is only the beginning. Is anyone really looking forward to 4 to 8 years of race cards being thrown at anyone who dares criticize Obama? I know I'm not.

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2CMartel2(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Perhaps they have a point.

Barack Obama has been the one running around talking about "average white women" and rural whites who "cling to God, guns, and xenophobia."

(I'm not sure why the xenophobia part keeps being left out. He's clearly calling rural whites racist hicks and insulting their faith.)

So sure, if Obama is going to spew racist filth and attend a dirty, hateful pastor's church and listen to hate speech against whites and his country for 20-years, he's probably isolated himself from white voters.

That's his own fault. No sympathy from me whatsoever. If you vote for Obama, you're probably supporting a racist or a race pimp. It's just what it comes down to.

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3apollo(1227 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Wow, a black that has made it in a white mans world is now a racist himself. Coming from obvious racist, I guess it's true? LOL

Yet, people will vote for a woman who is an absolutely unqualified religious fanatic, who attends churches that are similar to reverend Wrights but on the opposite spectrum.

People, quit letting the candidates fool you with meaningless rhetoric and using issues that aren't really important. (Such as where Obama went to church) There are REAL issues like the economy, health care, foreign affairs, global warming, and others that aren't getting talked about because SOME Americans are more concerned with the pastor as some church. (Forget about McCains reverend Hagee?)

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4Woody(474 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

How about all the people that vote against Palin are sexist?

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5Bull_Chip(170 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

“Race — that’s the only reason people in the Valley won’t vote for him,”

“There are 1,000 reasons to vote for Obama and one reason why you won’t — race.”

“independents, --- and Democrats who are or will support Republican John McCain who are the “racists,””

“When we speak to swing voters and we talk of issues, the only reason they’re undecided is because of race,”

When you can not or are unable to argue based on facts, insult, obfuscate, denigrate and accuse of bigotry, racism and homophobia. Those who are the least educated, unsophisticated and impoverished will fall for your empty rhetoric. This is all funded by the wealthy elitist from Hollywood, academia, government and unions so that they can continue to wield their influence at the expense of those Americans who still pay federal income taxes.

Is racism the reason the Democrat community did not vote for a black governor when they had the opportunity?

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6kickdrum(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

This is ridiculous! Obama has over 80% of the black vote, and most blacks admit they support Obama because he's black. But, no one dares to talk about that. Isn't voting for Obama BECAUSE he's black racist against McCain? Uhh...yes, it is. How about if someone accused blacks of being racists because they don't support McCain because he's white? That's the exact same thing! This hatred against us white people has got to STOP NOW!!

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7hinnis(3 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

What's ironic about this whole issue, is that it is Obama who attended a racist black liberation theology church for over 20 years, and considered its racist pastor to be his "mentor and spiritual adviser." Talk about the pot calling the kettle black . .

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8zieg2003(82 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

A lot of us were raised by racist parents or grandparents. Even though their racial views may not coincide with yours, surely you still were taught the basic values of life from your "racist" mentors, but that does not mean you are a racist just because they are.

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9Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Wow, I'm a rascist?!! I thought I supported McCain instead of Obama because:

McCain is the only candidate for the Commander-in-Chief job that has military experience.

Sarah Palin is the only candidate applying for an executive position with executive experience.

McCain has demonstrated sound judgment on issues such as the Iraq surge and the Russian invasion of Georgia. In contrast, Obama has demonstrated dangerously poor judgment.

Senator Obama has served only a portion of his freshman term in the U.S. Senate, much of which was spent campaigning for another office. His accomplishments during that brief time are feeble at best.

Vote-buying through class warfare and dividing Americans is wrong, and will be bad for the economy.

I don't believe in socialist policies that have failed throughout the world, but rather support the notion that individual people can accomplish great things when not punished by their government for working hard, or provided incentives for not working.

Both Senator McCain and Governor Palin have demonstrated courage when opposing their own political party for the good of the Nation, whereas State Senator Obama voted "present" >130 times.

Of course there's the issues of entitlements, earmarks, statements made re: the American flag, and the associates who blow up Federal buildings or preach to a congregation "God Damn America!".

So all along I thought my vote was based on a summation of facts, but the Democratic leadership (who have governed Youngstown so well!!!) inform me that I'm actually a rascist. Thanks for the revelation!!!

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10bobbyj38356(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago


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11hinnis(3 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

zieg2003: Speak for yourself. Neither my parents or anyone else who was instrumental in my upbringing were racists. You Obama cultists who throw your own families and churches under the bus in order to defend your Messiah's racism are hysterical. I feel sorry for you that your parents were racists, that doesn't excuse Obama from attending a racist black liberation theology chruch for 20 years, and considering its racist pastor to be his "mentor and spiritual adviser." His more than 20 years allegiance to a racist creed speaks volumes about his judgment and character.

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12zieg2003(82 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Cultist? Messiah? Get over yourself dude, he's the democratic presidential candidate. Whomever brought you up obviously didn't do a good job. The description I gave was a statement saying that we all kow someone racist. The hysterical thing is that its people like you who voted Bush in, and its people like you who will vote for Mccain. We don't need a description of what Mccains plans are as president. He voted with Bush 90% of the time, what more does one need to know. Their are many whites who considered themselves democrats until Obama won the democratic nominee, that's what makes them racist.

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13BobH(2 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

If the church he went to meant that Obama is a racist, then those who attend the Catholic churches are pedophiles?

See how ridiculous either correlation is?

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14zieg2003(82 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

That is a perfect example Bobh, and they spent billions trying to pay people to keep their mouths shut.

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15realhappy4me(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

BobH, if I knew that my priest was hurting small boys and yet I continued to go to his parish for 20 years while he talked about hurting small boys, then yes, I'd say I was tolerating pedophelia and approving of it by staying.

You can't act as if harming children is one of the tenants and one of the main talking points of homilies. There would be very few Catholics left. If all priests talked to members of their congregations about hurting children, I'd agree with you and I wouldn't be a Catholic. The difference is in knowing what your religious mentor is, and still choosing to look up to that person for guidance when you know that person is a racist (or in your scenario, a child abuser). Would I stay in a church with a priest I knew was a child abuser? Absolutely not, and I would demand he be investigated and arrested.

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16Broncoace67(13 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

As far as the issue of Jeriah Wright and the church. Who cares? What is he going to do once elected declare the country for African Americans only and kick us all out. [Says white male 41 yrs. old]

I hope he does get in there and piss some people off. I'm tired of government for the corporations by the corporations.

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17michaelat(9 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

If you think Obama has no legislative record, look at this link: http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidi...

It is a pro-Obama blog, but it lays out what he has done in the Senate, and what other people in the Senate think of his work. I think you can look for other online sources to verify.

If folks don't vote for Obama, it isn't because they are racist (tho some are) it is because McCain and Palin have whipped up a sense of nationalism and emotional connection that is causing voters to overlook their rational choice--Obama. Obama is not a believer in "trickle down" economics, meaning he doesn't think that big tax breaks should go the rich while we sit around and wait for their spending to "trickle down" to us lowly folk. Obama believes in "trickle up" -- give money back to middle class people and they will spend it wisely, invest in their homes, retirement or education for their kids. The money will work its way into the economy.

Obama also thinks we have to invest in a new industry--energy. China and India are huge markets just waiting for some country to develop alternative clean energy sources that are marketable. If we don't do it, someone else will. I think actually the Dutch are ahead of us now. We need to make NEW jobs for this country and develop NEW industries. The old ones area GONE for good.

McCain wants to drill for oil that won't even come to market for 10 years. Do you think McCain is going to be around 10 years from now to find out if his idea worked? Right.

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18babs68(58 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Question for you guys, last time I checked wasn't the Mahoning Valley an ex Steel town and current Manufacturing town? Last I checked Republicans are for the capitalist, right? They are the ones moving these jobs by the droves over seas right? Which means that the once thriving manufacturing town is losing jobs by 60%+ right? So that means that all of these people who claim to be Republicans are strong capatilist who have no interest in Youngstown really since they have not seen job growth in years, and has an unemployment rate that beats that of the national rate, right? (7%+) Right...I get it...it's not about race. Nah...It's about intelligence, and I can see why McCain and Palin are winning in the Valley and Ohio. Yea, I really get it now...its because they are going to provide independance to Ohio...bring all the jobs back...Lower healthcare cost...Yea, give me a better raise...The heck w/ Obama he is going to raise taxes for those people who make over 250K. Yea...that's right all the median income for Ohioans especially in the Mahoning Valley is over 250K. Yea...no Government intervention..so the next time the Gov. sends out those stimulas checks I am gonna take my check and return it to Uncle Sam...yea!!!...NOT...! WAKE UP PEOPLE..ARE WE THAT STUPID..OR JUST PLAIN DUMB??

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19JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Nonsocialist's comments basically sum up why Ohio (and many other states) will go to McCain just like they went to Bush in '00 and '04: the sheep outnumber the sensible people at the polls. Make sure you tune in to your favorite right-wing radio hosts/bulls**t artist later today so you can get the new talking points on how the party is going to continue to ruin the country.

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20andersonathan(682 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Well i was called a racist when I had a Hilary sign in my truck window before the Ohio primary of course me repeating something for the reason why did not help. Called one after i put up a McCain sign in the same window [before Palin] once by a black female and once by a black man. I have solid reasons to be a red neck. Been mugged twice, shot at, took 7 stitches in the neck from a broken bottle. Apartment and truck broken into several thousand dollars [4]in tools and electronics neighbors watched as 2 black men loaded up and drove away [don't ask they are]

But when making a list of pro and cons for the last year first on Clinton and Obama now McCain and Obama.
Obama looses he has not done a thing 2 bills in his name 1 to change the name of a post office 1 to send support to the Congo as a US Senator. all the rest he co sponsored which means some one read it and told him to sign his support to it. Is McCain 4 more of Bush, don't think so at least his economic advisers are not ex ceo's from Fannie May and socialism is not the answer, Drill here drill now is not the long term solution but at least people want to see holes being drilled not a energy bill being held up by Pelosi and pals till after a election. The list is long so don't be a hater dig deep into who supports who follow the big money. And if anything else Cindy McCain is a hottie, So Johnny has a Johnson, She could do anything she wants to and has the money to do it and she goes out and runs a program and does field work with people that don't have anything and just helps. She has my vote and so does Mr.McCain.

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21bendewald(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

You know, this crap really has to stop. If the lefties want to make an issue out of race, I suggest the middle-of-the-roaders and those to the right should jump in feet first. I for one am more than willing to vote for a more qualified black person over a less qualified white person. In fact, I may even consider voting for Obama ten years down the road, after he has put in his time and EARNED his stripes. I certainly could have voted for him over most of his democratic primary opponents. But for anyone to say (not even suggest, but actually say) the reason I won't vote for Obama is because he is black IS playing the race card. It is a complete insult and totally condescending to me as a human. Who are they to tell me how I should feel, or worse, who I should vote for? So as far as jumping in, I would say to all of the people who are being insulted by this race baiting garbage, go to the polls and vote for the more qualified McCain, and be proud of it. And don't be intimidated (that is what they are trying to do) or back down from this garbage when it is thrown in your face. Just say "I am not voting for Obama because he is not qualified by any stretch of the imagination and McCain is by far the strongest person in this race. For you to suggest it is because of his race is beyond contempt and is an insult to me as a person and, frankly, I have now lost complete and total respect for you as a person. When you are ready to apologize, I may not be ready to listen."
This is crap and has to stop. I guess if they just keep repeating it, some people may come to believe it. Let's not make it easy. If they want to play the race card, let them play it, but let's be brutaly blunt about calling them on it.

By the way, anyone who lays this crap on anyone else deservers all of the vile that will come their way.

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22mvred(5 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Local Dems Say Independents and Democrats for McCain are Racists

LINK: http://mvred.com/?p=397

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23WarrenBof(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

I read online the article titled Democrats accuse locals of being racist and wish to comment. I disagree with the political initiatives and “solutions” offered by Barak Obama and other Democratic members of Congress. I will not vote for Mr. Obama in the November election.

I am a white male, registered Democrat and I happen to live down South in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Our mayor, Kip Holden, is an African-American and a Democrat. Although I generally vote for Republican candidates, I voted for Mr. Holden four years ago and I plan to vote for him again in the coming election.

I state this because I determine how to vote by selecting the man (or woman) that is best qualified for the job, and not by his political party or the color of his skin. If I believed in or had any confidence in Mr. Obama’s positions, I would probably vote for him.

Judging by many of the interviews that I’ve seen or read, I believe that there are as many, if not more, people that will vote for Mr. Obama because of his race as there are that will vote against him for that reason.

If Mr. Obama looses the election, his loss will be cited by people like Representatives Letson and Hagan as proof that America is still a racist society.

I resent being called “racist” by partisans, such as Reps. Letson and Hagan, that only consider their own position as valid. His comments reminded me of the saying, “My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with the facts.”

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24Bucky(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

This is my first post in my hometown paper. I left Youngstown after college, but the Steel Valley has a permanent place in my heart. I am grateful to check in from a distance.

Barack Obama represents my new home, Illinois, as a U.S. Senator. As a(cough)something white woman, it's already been my pleasure to cast my vote for him. There are many reasons why I'll do this again Nov. 4, but I'll stick to the point of this thread.

Our country faces enormous challenges, perhaps the greatest since the depression of WW2. We need a leader who can inspire and unite, because neither party ( or parties) can do it alone. We are in this together. I have observed Barack Obama represent the interests of small rural towns in Illinois ( like the one I grew up in in Columbiana County), the interests of my company that provides salaries and health care across our state, and the interests of our major cities. Not everyone gets what they want, but he listens as a color blind representative to everyone...farmers, small business owners, corporate employees, city dwellars. This transplanted Buckeye sleeps well trusting Barack Obama with my best interests.

Study the issues and follow your heart on November 4, however you vote. Please vote for who you believe offer all of us the best future-not on their name, the color of their skin or their age. Barack Obama expects no less of Buckeyes. Neither do you.

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25clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Come on Hagan....get back to work on your "real" job, the crew caller is calling. You have milked the company far too long. Nobody really cares about your comments nor will they be influenced by them. Get back on that engine and do what you do best.

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26apollo(1227 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

In response to WarrenBof, I don't know how anyone can vote for a Democrat for one office, be a registered Democrat and then vote Republican for president. Aren't people registered Democrats because they believe in the Democratic platform? If you claim to be a registered Democrat don't you believe in the Democratic principles?

The problem is people vote for the wrong reasons.

Women voting for McCain simply because he selected a woman as VP is ridiculous.

Voting for Obama because of McCains age is ridiculous.

Don't people vote based on platform and ideals?

How a union member could vote Republican for instance amazes me.

Voting for McCain makes sense if you are wealthy and think Bush is doing a great job since McCain is simply going to keep the same policies.

Voting for McCain because Obama is black doesn't show a very smart electorate.

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27Woody(474 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago


I think you should rethink your post. I know many people in the Mahoning Valley who are registered Democrats, but they vote for Republicans in the general election. They are registered as Democrats, simply so they can have somewhat of a say in local government. If you have not noticed, more often than not, most local races are decided in the Primary Election.

As for Union Members voting for McCain. Maybe they are in the union because they have to be for work. Maybe they do not like what the Union's stand for and do not like donating part of their hard earned pay to a fat cat union president who is getting rich off the backs of the working man.

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28OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

apollo- I agree voting on those things is ridiculous, but voting by platform is too- Dems and Repubs are both parties controlled by corporate interests. If we feel both parties are basically preaching the same thing, [continued rule by corporate interests, or corpocracy] then some people just move right onto the more superficial choices like who's hot, who's black, who FOX news hates, who does my union like, etc. Instead of thinking about ending the two-party system, or in the case of local Ohio politics, the one-party system.

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29dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

OhioPerson. I beleive our counrty is divided cause of the different parties. I also think there should be a one-party system. People should be voted on based on merit, respectablity nationally and internationally, and many other factors. Not based on what party you consider yourself, and the letter after the person's name who is running. We should be a united nation when it comes to picking the most important position in our courty. They say divided we stand, united we fall.

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30OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Do you mean no parties (like candidates just run individually) or do you mean literally one party like in fascist (more fascist than the US already is) countries?

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31zieg2003(82 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Have you guys ever looked up the definition of Democrat and Republican. A Democrat favors a Democracy, a government run by the people. On the otherhand, a Republican favors a republic government, in which a selected number of individuals run the country not the people. So I say why in the world do Republicans even exist in a democratic country?

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32OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Well the US is actually said to be a republic, not a democracy. But where it's *not* a republic, is in the fact that one of the criteria for being a republic is that it's based on a constitution, when in reality, our constitution is at best ignored these days.

While it's not (in my estimation) a republic, no way no how is it a democracy.

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33Wolverine442(5 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

As a part time Youngstowner, living in a pretty blue state all other times, I think I can comment about the "atmosphere" in the tri-county area. Relatively speaking, there is a general racist tone in the valley. I am embarrassed to admit that the "n" word flows freely in conversations all over town. I've overheard an elderly couple in JCPenny utter the word, I've heard it in conversations at BW3's, I've heard it in church. I've heard it even in my own family. I've heard it at Giant Eagle in boardman, I heard it in Wal-mart. My point is this, the free use of that "word" says something about the valley. and it isn't positive. Listening to some talk radio, since being without electricity for days on end, is very enlightening. I've heard liberal and i've heard conservative shows, both allow people to say racist comments on a fairly regular basis without anyone pointing out that some of the comments are in fact racist. At first i thought some of the hosts allowed it for shock value, however i soon learned that this is entirely normal. Its very concerning. I am not saying that everyone in y-town is racist or do i believe that in the end it will cost Obama the election. I am saying that we kinda live in a bubble in the valley. So many people i know, have never been out of the state or have visited large metropolitan areas, not because they are poor or don't have the means, its just because they "don't want to". Myself, living in one of the largest cities in the world, when i'm not in the area, wish that more people would get out and discover the world. If, the whispers and overheard conversations in youngstown, were said in polite company in the city where i spend half my time, you'd be more than frowned upon.
As for the reasons to not vote for Obama, spare me the tripe over "raising taxes". I dare say that anyone living in the valley would have to worry about that. I'd say that if you think that raising taxes on those making 250K+ a year is concerning to you, i think you are overestimating your income. In fact, i think those making over 125k+ in the valley would still be in the upper 1 percentile of wage earners in the valley.

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34dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

OhioPerson. I mean run as Independents. I think the two parties split our nation. Like I said, They say divided we stand, united we fall.

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35OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

First of all, it's actually "United we stand, Divided we fall" but hey whatever.

Secondly, you capitalize Independents as if you mean all candidates should run under the Independent American party... I'm confused. Do you mean all candidates run under one political party? Or do you mean to abolish political parties altogether?

If you mean to abolish all political parties, how do you expect that action to unite people?

Do you really think people are divided by party? Or could it be the shrinking middle class as the rich get richer and the poor get poorer?

How about religion? Do you think abolishing all the different religions would be a great idea?

I don't think homogenizing political or religious ideas would be a good idea, but I would like to see a bit of sharing the wealth to close that giant pay gap between rich and poor. That might unify people.

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36andersonathan(682 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

So lets just say that 90 % of black people in general Vote for a Democrat, based on previous elections it is a fact!

But when given the choice of two democrats one being black one being a women 93% of black voters vote for the black male who is a Democrat so that leaves 7% for the democrat that is a women. So the race issue comes to play blacks according to the numbers are racist and sexist and by the other number going to vote democrat any how this fall and i do not care. Amazing if you check some big newspapers Chicago Tribune, Philly.com check out there political news and views and comments these people actually care about some thing with meat like issues. not slime topics . bye

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37OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Hillary is a *white* woman. And she is not exactly a friend to people of color. Not only is she a white person who has never had to suffer racism, but she is also wealthy and has never had to suffer from poverty.

Black voters voting based on race is NOT racism. I'm so tired of that accusation. Racism is the fact that Obama is the first black man to run for president in 232 years.

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38andersonathan(682 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Ohio Person: the numbers prove you wrong, and history proves you wrong, it is the fact he is the first black man to receive his party's nomination not the first black man to run for president. And Obama himself suffered from Poverty is that were your headed? White people don't suffer from racism?

open your eyes and see the light, because it is not to late to vote for McCain/Palin

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39OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Are you saying that because Obama is the "first black man to receive his party's nomination" instead of the "first black man to run for president in 232 years" that there's clearly no racism going on with that?

No that's not what you're saying, you're just purposefully missing the point so you can continue to ignore racism and enjoy your white privilege.

And no, in the US white people don't suffer from racism directed at them on a systematic level.

I would say, though, that racists suffer from their own racism in a spiritual way. Racism comes from a place of fear and misunderstanding which constantly gets aggravated the longer the racist goes without being at peace with his/herself and others. And the actions racists take to keep their world all the same color keep amazing friendships, partnerships, and marriages from happening.

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40zieg2003(82 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

I simply cannot believe how many people will argue with you OHIOPERSON about the facts that are evident. As you said, Obama is the first black Presidential nominee ever in the history of the U.S. On the contrary, Palin is the first female Vice Presidential candidate ever. This proves that the U.S ranks as one of the worlds most racist and sexist countries in the world. Everyone knows the obvious reason John Mccain picked her, simply because she was a white woman like Hillary. He'd rather pick a white female instead of a black man for example "Kenneth Blackwell" Ohios ex Republican Lieutenant Governor. Many people will vote for her just because of that and you know what, their sexist just as the ones who flipped against Obama are racist. Racists and sexist issues doesn't always have to be negative. If I don't vote for Obama just because he's black, I'm a racist, and if I vote for Obama because he's black, I'm still a racist.

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41GABuckeye(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

If you vote or don't vote for someone solely based on the color of their skin, you, zieg2003, are an IDIOT. Take some time, study the issues and where the candidates stand. Make an informed choice.

Heaven help us all if the majority of citizens who vote have an outlook on voting like yours. GROW UP!

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42zieg2003(82 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

What are you talking about. I don't vote based on color. Your the idiot for not comprehending what I just said.

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43dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Ohioperson: I think that the parties cause many more problems then good. Comparing it to religion just can not be done. It's like comparing apples and oranges. It like identifing or refering to people by their races. We should look as everyone as the human race, as a unified group, not if you are black, white, American Indian, ect.
Tomcat here are you girl: Sarah Palin's leadership experience compared to Obama. Even though he is running against McCain!

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44dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Palin: If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.
Obama: If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human
Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign
Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

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45andersonathan(682 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

oh god try rev.Jesse Jackson he ran for president, Gareldine she was nominated for a VP,

And since some one wants to bring up Obama pristine experience and education. Look up the area he work in, is it majority white or black i do not know? but i do know that the area has diminished in population more stores and house boarded up today, and the crime rate is higher than it has ever been?

Just the past associations he had as a well defined person: Rev Flagger Rev Wright, Ayre's, Rezko, want some more?

His present day relationship from a corrupt Chicago political machine His economic advisers who ran F&F and Lehman's. people who helped themselves to around 127 million dollars of what we will be paying back.

And some one needs to check the Thomas Library if has all the facts on who sponsored what bills and co-sponsored. You might find out Obama accomplishments are changing a name of a post office and giving AID to the Congo.

You also might find he has asked ere marks for IL in the equivalent to a million dollars a day

To bad Bush had to tell him to go back to Washington in a time of need it just shows how self centered this man is. The SOB has a job and has done a nothing to bad job at it.

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46cabbbyo(1 comment)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Black? Since when are you black, if you have a white mother? This race issue is a huge joke, I guess some people will do or say anything to win. I'm sick of the race card being used whenever you don't want to face the truth about yourself of the real issues, what a cop out!!

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47dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Bad job look at Bush(who McCain backs!), look at where our economy has gone! Run by who a majority of Republicans. McCain is just another Bush. His top people in his campaign are lobbists. There are his cabinet members. You think our economy is bad now just wait, if McCain gets voted into office, his lobbiests will run our gov't.

Biden has done so much more then Palin! Which honestly these two should be being compared since they are the ones up for VP. As for Obama vs McCain. McCain is the same old same old that's in Washington already. Obama is the change we need and a breath of fresh air!!!

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48andersonathan(682 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Yea Old Joe been around so long he forgets who's side he is on
See the china and coal message? The Hilary comments? Joe asked for ere marks on a state that is about 1/300 the size of Alaska his name ought to be PORK'N JOE.

The economy in 2000 we were on the verge of a recession the only thing carrying the country has been construction and up until around the fall of 06 it was still considered booming. Bush said it in 01 Ron Paul in 04 McCain said it in 05 that we can't continue house practices AKA loans.

This problem extends past Bush into and most likely beyond Bill Clinton. But when numbers are reveled and they are it seems Dodd Kerry Obama are the top of the receiving end of money and every politician has lobbyist and works with them and listens and get contribution from them for everything.
Fix a pot of coffee and breath deep, the democrats are trying hard to see a OBAMA BIDEN PALOSI REID DODD KERRY liberal institution called SELLING OUT OF AMERICA, the fix is in Democrats have been lining their pockets and been doing nothing, wonder Why congress has a approval rating of 19% because they won't do anything unless it lines their pockets with things.
Bush learned his first lesson when he put Ted Kennedy in charge of the education future he reached across the lines and got stabbed in the back it will be so funny when they [obama and the juice drinkers] go down in flames
By the way President Bush called and said get back to Washington BOY

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