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Obama is the better choice for troubled times ahead

Published: Sun, October 26, 2008 @ 12:00 a.m.

Obama is the better choice for troubled times ahead

Hard times require hard choices, and we fear the nation is looking at hard times ahead.

In 2000, we enthusiastically endorsed George W. Bush for president; in 2004 we issued a reserved endorsement of his re-election.

Now, in 2008, The Vindicator endorses Democrat Barack Obama over Republican John McCain.

The need for change has become a catch phrase for both campaigns, so much so that the word’s various meanings can be easily confused or lost. So let us define our expectations: This is a time to alter the course that America has been on, to transform an economy that has rewarded short-term gains at the cost of long-term stability and to convert the United States from a nation that has been willing to mortgage its future to pay for today’s wars, social programs and economic stimulus packages to one that lives within its means.

Do we think that either candidate would be able to do all that? Frankly, no. To be brutally frank, the process both parties have developed for picking their nominees is seriously flawed and has not produced the strongest candidates for the Republicans or the Democrats — for either president or vice president. But that is a topic for another day.

Today, we are forced to conclude that Barack Obama is less tied to the failed polices of the past than is John McCain.

Talking trade

One area in which that is especially so, and an area that is of special interest to the Mahoning and Shenango valleys, is that of trade.

In these uncertain economic times, one thing is clear. To rebuild America from the ground up, Americans must make things. Intellectual property is great, but an idea is profitable only until the next, better idea comes along. And even in the area of intellectual property, the Bush administration was woefully lax in protecting American interests from patent and copyright pirates.

The service economy has its place in the scheme of things. And isolated pockets within the nation or a state can thrive on a diet of service revenue. Banks and insurance companies have to have their offices somewhere. But for the nation as a whole to thrive, Americans must make things that other Americans buy and things that the rest of the world buys.

We still do some of that, but not to the extent we once did.

There’s no going back to the days when the banks of the Mahoning River were lined with steel mills, but someone who wants to buy a tire or a light bulb or a winter coat that is made in America shouldn’t find it next to impossible — all those things were once made right here.

Obama can’t pull the nation out of NAFTA, but he’s declared that NAFTA has not fulfilled its promise to America and that some of its provisions should be renegotiated. Nations that use domestic content laws to discourage imports should not have unfettered access to our markets. Likewise, tax laws can be recast in ways that encourage companies to invest in America and to create jobs here, rather than help companies move jobs off shore.

That will shore up the American middle class.

Back home in Ohio

Gov. Ted Strickland is convinced that an Obama presidency would be good for Ohio. He notes that Obama proposes the investment of $15 billion a year for 10 years in renewable energy (one of Strickland’s economic development target areas). Obama supports investment in infrastructure and education. He would facilitate Ohio legislation that was passed by Republicans and Democrats to provide health coverage for children, but was blocked by the Bush administration.

All that said, we have our concerns about Obama and the Democratic Congress he would undoubtedly inherit. If they go for what they see as the quick fix — taxing small business unreasonably, attempting to repay union backers or tort lawyers with prize packages that will hobble productivity — they would quickly do more harm than good. They must recognize that this is very much a 50-50 nation, that, if it tilts at all, it tilts toward the conservative. If they make it their priority to pay off short-term political debts rather than addressing the enormous challenges facing this country, they will find their time in power to be of a short-term nature as well.

Obama has taken command of the national stage as have few others in U.S. history. But he would be neither the first nor the last politician to fail his nation if he cannot heal its divisions, set a difficult course and convince both supporters and detractors that they must band together, make sacrifices and recognize that the lifestyle most Americans have come to cherish is in jeopardy.

The financial turmoil on Wall Street and the ways in which it is trickling down to Main Street have prompted allusions to the Great Depression. There is reason to believe that we are on the brink of a deep recession. But no one knows what lies a month or a year down the road or when a turning point will be reached. It is, however, certain that the nation did not get where it is — with trembling markets and dwindling jobs — in a year or two, and it will not emerge from this dark and scary place overnight.

Of the candidates in this race, Obama has the youth, the energy, the education and the flexibility that will be needed for the next four years. John McCain performed with distinction in military service and in Congress. We are not departing in any degree from honoring that service in expressing our belief today that the country will be best served by the election of Barack Obama.


1valleyred(1103 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

What a shock. Your blatant Obama coverage the past 3 months really made this one hard to figure out!

Go McCain..

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2Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Unbelievable, you guys don't even know anything about the first term junior Senator.

In a time that we need national unity, he is one of the most divisive politicians in US history, splitting Americans into groups based on productivity and pitting each group against each other. That is why the following quote is a joke:

"But he would be neither the first nor the last politician to fail his nation if he cannot heal its divisions, set a difficult course and convince both supporters and detractors that they must band together, make sacrifices and recognize that the lifestyle most Americans have come to cherish is in jeopardy."

Instead of traditional qualifications such as military, executive or legislative experience, or notable accomplishments, or at least a history of sound judgment, you state he should be the most powerful person in the world because he has:

"the youth, the energy, the education and the flexibility".

Stop embarassing yourselves and educate yourselves about the rise of socialism in 1930s Europe and Asia through the use of dividing people, and its subsequent consequences. Are you guys even able to dress yourselves in the morning?

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3cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

What's your take on all of these notable Republicans endorsing Obama in the past two weeks?

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4Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago


It happens. They have their personal reasons. The GOP is an inclusive, big tent party with a wide range of views. Not all Republicans are social or fiscal conservatives. Some people, even some Republicans, can't understand the expected outcome of electing an inexperienced guy with poor judgement. Senator McCain's independence has angered many in the GOP.

Why is Senator Leiberman, the Democratic VP candidate in 2000 staunchly supporting Senator McCain? I think it's because the thought of Obama as President frightens him.

Here is a link to the long list of prominent Democrats who have endorsed Senator McCain:


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5SickOfItAll(2 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

It just amazes how easily Republicans are led. The possibility of using the brains that God gave you seems as something you refuse to do.

You speak of socialism but do you really know what it is?
How about what happened to the U.S. financial industry where the government bought up all the bad dept with taxpayer and essentially has nationalized those instituations. That's socialism!!

The idea that Obama dare wants to bring the tax levels back to the days of President Clinton and dare to allow those making less than $250,000 (and that's after they go through with whatever tax breaks their accountants can get for them
AND they only get taxed on what they make beyond $250,000)
to get a tax break because most Americans aren't doing so well financially.

Now, if those who pretend that that is socialism don't like the idea, then just admit that "I'm really wealthy and I want to get a new gold plated toilet and drive another Hummer" and at least we can value your selfishness by being out in the open and not through the Talkng Points that you spout from Fox News.

I'm really people! There have been so many lies and smears that have been exposed that taking the Republican sideshow of smears seriously at this points is just beyond ridiculous.
Use your minds before they calcify!

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6SickOfItAll(2 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

hey Nonsocialist
I went over to the Newsmax list and what a joke.
Never heard of all these fifth-rate players in the game.
You're comparing these no-names (sorry folks!)
to PROMINENT Republicans and PROMINENT conservative publications.
Sheesh!! And people are supposed to take that arguement seriously?
Don't think so.
Rings about as well as the Pittsburgh mugging hoax.
I guess that bit of dirty trickery just makes you think that your side is so full of moral goodness.

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7NoBS(2829 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

That's a big part of the trouble, Grump! All you Obamessiah-lovers think he's sent from God.

Take a cold, hard, unbiased look at the man - he's not qualified to lead a pony around a corral.

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8Tugboat(759 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

NoBS: It was Palin who said that 'God will do the right thing.' Imagine that, taking time away from sports miracles to pick the right man for President.

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9NoBS(2829 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Tugboat - blow it out your whistle. Here's a newsflash: Palin isn't running for PRESIDENT!!

If you want to talk vice-presidential candidates, then tell me why the press isn't saying anything about Biden's history of plagarism. Or his lack of knowledge of American History. When exactly does he think the television was invented? Do you really want to go there?

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10hmmm(2 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

I used to be a Republican, but now I am independent and will vote for Obama. Back in 2000, I voted for McCain in the primary. I trusted what he said about being a friend of Vets and the military. But after he voted no on almost every bill for the military over the pass 8 years, I can't no believe he will take care of our military and vets. He stayed away and didn't vote for the recently passed GI bill. Being a vet of 24 years in the military, I feel that over the last 8 years McCain has forgotten about the men and women who have always backed him and is now using his lies to get the military and vets to vote for him while he gives nothing in return except to tell us in his speeches that he loves vets.

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11Youngstown_Strong(91 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Independent (and white for anyone's curiosity) for Obama!
Glad to see The Vindicator has learned from past mistakes.

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12INYOURFACE(33 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

It about time the Vindy did something right. Eat my shorts you lain-brain right wing republicans

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13John_Vindy(3 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

The recent Endorsement by the Vindy editors hit the nail on the head. The choice is now clear because Barack Obama understands this election is not about him it is about everyone coming together to solve the issues. Republicans, Independents and Democrats are going to have to work together to fix the mess created by eight years of the Bush Cheney policies that have bankrupted the country. It comes down to the simple fact that we cannot afford four more years a Republicans in the Whitehouse. Main stream media never reported that GWB is doing private fund raisers for John McCain.

The choice of the Vice Presidents is very indicative of the differences between McCain and Obama. Obama chose some who will help him lead and govern. The first question many even Republicans asked who is Sarah Palin? Now they are asking why?

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14VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

The current swell of support for Obama only shows us how well he has "played" the press and public into his pocket. His record proves he is consistant in support of higher taxes and he WILL raise taxes! Redistribution of wealth? He WILL hurt business. He WILL hurt private enterprise. He WILL cause businesses to lay-off employees, as our economy is not in the mood for price increases. How well is your employer ready for tax increases and how well prepared are they to deal with it? Where do you stand in your employers lay-off ladder?

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15docsquale(13 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

whatever hapend to non biased media, where one could only get facts, not oppinionated garbage generated by whoever pays the highest donation. give me a break

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16clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Hey Grump, are you sure God sent Obama? Could it have been Allah?

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17andersonathan(687 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Khalidi, Rezko, Ayers, Dorn, ACORN, Wright, Phleger, Odinga, Democracy Alliance, George Soros, Frank Marshall Davis, New Party, Auchi.

Yes Obama will bring a better Muslim and socialist US of A or is that the US of KKKA.

And if that don't "Change" you mind, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Kerry. Should "Change" your mind.

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18cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Kerry 08!

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19jfuze0905(82 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

"Hard times require hard choices, and we fear the nation is looking at hard times ahead."

And if the choice is too hard, just vote "present"

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20Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

I don't care for either candidate but McCain seems to be the lesser of the two evils. The evasiveness of Obama disturbs me more than the lackluster McCain.

Am I the only one bothered by Obama's style? How about his speech in Berlin against tyrany and then embracing Fidel Castro,Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad amongst others. Being endorsed by Kadafi ads another clown to the circus. It would be comforting if Obama was 100% for America. Let's hope that he matures quickly and finds a new love for America if he gets elected.

Exclusive: The Evasive Poetry of Barack Obama.

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21cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Obama 08!

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22andersonathan(687 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

He gets by with a little help from his friends.

Khalidi, Rezko, Ayers, Dorn, ACORN, Wright, Phleger, Odinga, Democracy Alliance, George Soros, Frank Marshall Davis, New Party, Auchi.

Yes Obama will bring a better Muslim and socialist US of A or is that the US of KKKA.

And if that don't "Change" you mind, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Kerry. Should "Change" your mind.

Of course thing you will never hear on MSM [main street media]

One of Obama's cuts is to eliminate GSL's for students.

It is in the works to take your 401k's and put that money into a sister account of Social Security collecting 3% interest. If you put 5 percent of what you make into it. As a bonus you will get a $5-600 annual check. The payoff will be distributed like Social Security in 500 dollar amounts till depleted. A 45% inheritance tax if pasted on. Of course you will subject to the penalties. Most likely 10% to start with to move it and of course later.

Grant it it is not a tax hike. But pulling out every one's 401k's out of the market out of investors hands into a Government controlled savings system. Might be a hint of the projected 1.3 trillion in new social programs and where the money is coming from. But I don't think anyone would ever take money from Social Security or a Sister program to fund some thing would they? I also do not think the market will be to happy with the move.

Another Government controlled wealth plan?

Google Obama 401k or Democrats 401k

McCain Palin 08

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23VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

The current rage for Obama is the result of many people feeling the need to change things up radically in order get back to their comfort level. Obama has made so many promises to so many groups, you know he will not keep them all. Only the ones he wants to keep. He is only out for the vote. Unfortunately, the change they could see will be so radical that our country will plunge further into economic turmoil as business leaders struggle to overcome this dramatic change in policy and the march of congressional yes men.

Do the right thing. Vote for a genuine tax decrease for all of us that we all can live with. Not one that promises "re-distribution". That is too dangerous during these times.
Lets get America back on track.

Vote McCain Palin 08

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24cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Exxon just made 14.8 billion dollars in profits for the third quarter. That is an increase of more than 3 billion dollars over their last quarter of record profits.

So lets make sure we vote for McSame so we can give them an additional tax cut. I think there might be something wrong with your brain.

The Republicans had their eight years and their record speaks for itself.

Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Kerry 08!

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25Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

In case you thought Senator Obama cared about you, or anything other than obtaining power, please read:

Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Obama's best-selling memoir "Dreams From My Father," lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.

A second relative believed to be the long-lost "Uncle Omar" described in the book was beaten by armed robbers with a "sawed-off rifle" while working in a corner shop in the Dorchester area of the city. He was later evicted from his one-bedroom apartment for failing to pay $2,324.20 in bills, according to the Boston Housing Court.

Just across town from where Obama made history as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, some of his closest blood relatives have confronted the harshness of immigrant life in America.

Speaking outside her home in Flaherty Way, South Boston, on Tuesday, Onyango, 56, confirmed she was the "Auntie Zeituni" in Obama's memoir. She declined to answer most other questions about her relationship with the presidential contender until after the November 4 election.

"I can't talk about it, I just pray for him, that's all," she said, adding: "After the 4th, I can talk to anyone."

**Read more in the Times of London or Fox News.com

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26cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago


Other than your spouse or children, how many of your relatives do you support?

Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Kerry 08!

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27Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago


Sorry I forget to mention Senator Obama's half brother that lives on a dollar/month in a shack in Kenya.


During his acceptance speech in Denver, Senator Obama stated, "I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper."

If he doesn't help out his own family whom are living in squallor, why do you think he's going to help you? Do you actually think he cares about you? Why would you, because he says so? You're smarter than that.

The facts make it clear that this is about power, not compassion.

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28cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago


How many people do you know that support their aunts and uncles?

Other than your spouse or children, how many of your relatives do you support?

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29columbusguy(6 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

While John McCain trots out symbols like Joe the Plumber, Obama has laid out concrete proposals to rebuild the middle class, achieve energy independence, provide universal health care without increasing government bureaucracy, and increase openness and accountability in government. He has surrounded himself with policy advisors, starting with Joe Biden, who include Democrats and Republicans of enormous experience and distinction. Based on the substance, tone, and organizational prowess of the two campaigns, there is just no doubt who will be more skilled at leading our government and serving the public interest.

It's hard for me to get the whole "fear of Obama" thing. If Obama is a socialist for believing in the progressive income tax, so was Teddy Roosevelt. (John McCain actually admitted on Larry King that Senator Obama is not a socialist.) If you're worried about who your candidate pals around with, aren't you concerned about a presidential aspirant whose campaign leadership and inner advisor circle consists of lobbyists for dictators, including Saddam Hussein? Doesn't a VP candidate who "pals around with" actual secessionists bother you?

This election has turned into a real mismatch. Obama and Biden represent the superior ticket in every important respect.

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30jfuze0905(82 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

Where was Obama while he was a senator? Why didn't he try to enact any legislation for these "concrete proposals to rebuild the middle class, achieve energy independence, provide universal health care without increasing government bureaucracy, and increase openness and accountability in government."

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31ismellmyhand(26 comments)posted 7 years, 9 months ago

And one more thing morons. You will not get the rich people's money. They are more clever than you. Without them you will starve and be subjugated to the state. Not to mention no further opportunity to improve your own standard of living.

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32h8rproof04(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Obama 08! this is the change that we need

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33kandinsky(5 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Bill Clinton urged voters to consider Four Points in choosing a President:

* Philosophy - Obama's organizing philosophy is that America works from the ground up, not from the top down.

* Policy - Obama's policy ideas on the economy, education, health care, and energy are right for America now.

* Decision - Obama has demonstrated superior decision-making skills, e.g., his choice of Biden for VP, and his careful informed response to the financial crisis.

* Execution - In organizing and conducting an historically successful election campaign, Obama has demonstrated key talents as an executive.

... Clinton asked people to present these four ideas to voters until Election Day.

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34MillCreeked(24 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Vindy for laying out a city-conscious logic for supporting Obama this election. I'm proud to see so much debate going on in our community about this election and I hope that the energy of this campaign can be put into other action after the election - we should rally around the issues and continue afterwards to talk and work together. Citizenship is an active state, and not just during the election season!

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35andersonathan(687 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Mr.Clinton failed t mention it is always nice to have a group called ACORN.

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36jfuze0905(82 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Let's talk tax plans:

Read the article located at http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/Upload...

and then make an informed decision...interesting to note is Table 7 where there is a breakdown of the income tax structure by both candidates.

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37fredgmertz(6 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

andersonathan....and the rest of you who believe the ayers/khalidi thing is an obama thing. please, go here http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27461933/ and try note to choke on whatever you may be chewing on.
the more you people dig for dirt, the more you get on yourself.
and after you say it's msnbc, it can't be true. do your own research, if you dare to stare at the truth about your boy mccain.

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38clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Fred, do you realize that MSNBC is one of the lowest rated networks? They have puppets working for them, they tell them what to say and they say it, because they have to. They are "not allowed" to give their opinions, only the opinions of MSNBC. We are headed for disaster here and you people are nitpicking about nothing.PAY ATTENTION, this is a serious situation and all of our futures are at stake.I realize McCain is not the best flower in the bunch, but I also realize he does have the most common sense and affiliates himself with people who say God Bless America, not God D America. He may be older, but older breeds wisdom, he has been there, done that. Obama has not been anywhere except to Harvard and Germany, where he denounced our country. THINK people, THINK. Charisma is not everything, Ted Bundy had it, Jim Jones had it,Charles Manson had it, Hitler had it, to name a few. Use your heads, look past the promises that cannot be fulfilled, and they can't, too many made with too little backup and too little to work with. You must get out of this Y-town mentality and think for and about yourself.You think things are bad now?? Just wait.

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39s_black(40 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

To put Barack Obama in the same category as Ted Bundy, Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and Hitler is ridiculous. If you want us to take you seriously, dial back the drama, princess.

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40JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

More staggering displays of patriotism, outstanding. Clay-the notion that ratings = truthfulness is utterly ridiculous and your parallels likening this man to socio/psychopaths are shameful. Tom-desperation doesn't suit you well; even given your point of view you strike me as more intelligent than having to resort to such things...what's next, questioning the validity of his library card? Your candidate is probably going to lose, be an adult and deal with it.

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41Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago



1st, he plans to bankrupt the coal industry by not allowing any generating powerplant expansion.

2nd he wants to drastically raise electric rates !



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42JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Tpuss-If there are less arguments regarding their existence it’s because they don't even warrant a response -- these claims are patently ridiculous. In spite of that fact and in an effort to annoy you (obviously the secret is out...you got me, that's why I post whenever I see that you have posted) I must point out that proof of citizenship would have been required for his present post in the U.S. Senate.

You above comments lead me to believe that you will renounce your citizenship should Obama be elected president...that seems a bit drastic, don't you think? If you forfeit your right to free speech how will I feel better about myself in valuing my education and ability to reasonably deduce? I currently do these things just by reading your moronic posts...please, don't take these simple pleasures away from me by renouncing your citizenship.

Please. The Youngstown area needs you , Tpuss. I need you. Don't let us all down.

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43cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago


Bush the father started NAFTA and it was signed under Clinton. Bush the son "Fredo" failed to protect Americas interest. McSame likes to brag how well NAFTA worked for Ohio. Obama on the other hand states that NAFTA is unfair to the US and should be renegotiated.

As far as your statement on a defeated war strategy. Why would you want to continue to spend 350 million dollars a day in Iraq 5 1/2 years after "Mission Accomplished"? That's 350 million a day 365 days a year for 5 1/2 years. Your not much of an advertisement for YSU.

Obama 08!

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44JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Tpuss--I'm relieved to hear you will still be able to exercise your right to freedom of baseless, propaganda-laden speech but confused (even more so than normally). If someone is elected president of your country of citizenship yet you claim that he isn't your president how are you still a citizen?

While the vast majority of people join me in disapproving of the policies and job-performance of the current president he is still our (my) president...we (I) respect the sanctity of the office too much to suggest anything less.

It would seem we can agree on one thing for certain: the current Congress is as worthless as a legislative body could possibly be.

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45Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Is a college course needed for a PhD in stupidity ? No ! Tomorrow will be the living proof of it as votes for Obama are cast. May God have mercy on us if he is elected.


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46cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

stan the man unusual:

Since you brought up God, and Sarah McScary stated that the election is now in "Gods hands" I think were about to find out that God is a Democrat. WWJD.

Obama 08!

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47andersonathan(687 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Just think he can write 2 books but can not come up with a decent piece of legislation.

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48Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

This may very well be the result of ELECTION 08 .


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49clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

For those of you who can't think out of the democratic box, I did not compare Obama to Bundy etc, as individuals, I was comparing the charisma he exudes, like they did, and people bought into it, like you all seem to do. Anyway, today is the day.........mentality will tell the tale.

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50clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Stan, you may just be SO right.

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51Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago



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52cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago


During Clinton's eight years 22 million jobs were created. During DUBYA's eight years barley 1 million jobs were created. The numbers and the Republicans record speak for themselves. I did my homework. You need to open your eyes to what has happened in the past 16 years.

Obama 08!

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53blkpride(186 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Better choice?!? I think not!


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59JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

"Just think he can write 2 books but can not come up with a decent piece of legislation."

anders...- Glass houses. You've written (pasted) over 160 posts here and to my knowledge haven't come up with anything of substance.

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60blkpride(186 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

cambridge, I do believe that congress was controlled by Repubs during the Clinton years to keep him in check. They deserve the credit not Clinton

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61Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Would I be considered a racist for not sharing Obama's values? My main dispute with Obama is his stance on abortion.

If you would consider me racist then you need to listen to this video.


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62JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Stan-you have 46 comments on this site and after quickly scanning them I see literally no mentions of abortion...yet according to you this is your "main dispute with Obama." Let's be honest, is that really your main dispute or have you just run out of angles? Was the abortion issue behind glass in the "Break In Case of Emergency" box and you've only now decided to use it?

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63blkpride(186 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Jeff there are so many where would you like to begin. The only thing that will save us from Obama-itler is smart voters and the grace of God.

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64WilliamP(70 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Seriously, is the Vindicator even relevant anymore? I think not. Talk about a flawed organization.

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65cambridge(4140 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago


You say that the Republicans should be credited for the strong economy during Clinton's administration.

Who gets the credit for the economy during DUBYA's administration?

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66blkpride(186 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Pelosi and her minions. They are responsible for the mortgage crisis. Oh yeah and policies pushed through during the Clinton years.

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67blkpride(186 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Former President Bill Clinton waves to supporters after campaigning for Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, Fla., Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2008.

Back in the 1990s subprime loans came under heavy fire. Affordable (not free market-valued) loans to low income borrowers were in short supply. Media pundits and officials railed against practices as innocent as considering a borrower's credit history, ability to make a down payment and employment status. Various newspapers were attacking banks for discriminating against minorities.

The problem was that minorities on the whole were more likely to be lower and middle income earners than whites. Lower income earners are traditionally prone to having bad credit histories and not being able to pay off mortgages. Despite this obvious connection, the government came to believe it should play an active role in helping lower income people, especially minorities, become homeowners. Yet, as economist Paul Krugman of The New York Times pointed out, homeownership isn't for everyone. Often there are very good reasons that people choose to rent.

Unfortunately, government policies have continually pushed to get more middle and low income families to be homeowners, in hopes of fulfilling the American dream.

One of the politicians leading the homeownership-for-all charge was Clinton's HUD (Housing and Urban Development) director Andrew Cuomo. After taking office in 1997, Cuomo demanded that more loans be made available for unqualified applicants, and pushed Fannie and Freddie (quasi-private government-sponsored entities designed to help the mortgage market) to have 50 percent of their mortgages be for low and moderate income families. Racial overtones continued to be pushed. Cuomo's top aide told The Washington Post, "We believe that there are a lot of loans to black Americans that could be safely purchased by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac if these companies were more flexible."

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68blkpride(186 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Even as borrowing standards were being relaxed, liberal activists were pushing for more. In a 1999 article in The New York Times, former Clinton official Franklin Raines (chairman and CEO of Fannie Mae at the time) was quoted as saying, "Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in the 1990s by reducing down payment requirements … there remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime market."

Inevitably, this contributed to looser standards in general.

The same article by The New York Times goes on to say, "Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits."

The phenomenal growth in profits, which led to so many political cronies reaping millions, could only be fueled by an endless rise in housing prices.

People did protest against the looser standards and the economic stupidity in general. In the same New York Times article, a member of the conservative American Enterprise Institute, Peter Wallison, warned that the government would have to step in and bail Freddie and Fannie out like the Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980s. Others concurred, yet were shouted down or simply ignored. Investors bet that in case the house of cards come crashing down, the government would always be there with taxpayer money, ready to be the hero. Now the American public is going to see if the prophecy will be fufilled and the government will don its cape to swoop in for the rescue.

Jack Millman can be reached at millman.5@osu.edu.

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69blkpride(186 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago


What do you have to say now? Are you going to use the Dems tactic of stating that "you mis-understood me" or "You took it out of context" or how about blaming FOX news. Be accountable for what your party did accept it fix it and move on.

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70JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

blkpride-what publication did you copy and paste your opinion from?

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71dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

blkpride: here is one for you to read!

The targets of the campaign were GOP senators and a regulatory overhaul bill.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Freddie Mac secretly paid a Republican consulting firm $2 million to kill legislation that would have regulated and trimmed the mortgage finance giant and its sister company, Fannie Mae, three years before the government took control to prevent their collapse.

In the cross hairs of the campaign carried out by DCI of Washington were Republican senators and a regulatory overhaul bill sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb. DCI’s chief executive is Doug Goodyear, whom John McCain’s campaign later hired to manage the GOP convention in September.

Freddie Mac’s payments to DCI began shortly after the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee sent Hagel’s bill to the then-GOP-run Senate on July 28, 2005. All GOP members of the committee supported it; all Democrats opposed it.

In the midst of DCI’s yearlong effort, Hagel and 25 other Republican senators pleaded unsuccessfully with Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., to allow a vote.

“If effective regulatory reform legislation ... is not enacted this year, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole,” the senators wrote in a letter that proved prescient.

Unknown to the senators, DCI was undermining support for the bill in a campaign targeting 17 Republican senators in 13 states, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. The states and the senators targeted changed over time but always stayed on the Republican side.

In the end, there was not enough Republican support for Hagel’s bill to warrant bringing it up for a vote because Democrats also opposed it. McCain, R-Ariz., was not a target of the DCI campaign. He signed Hagel’s letter and three weeks later signed on as a co-sponsor of the bill.

By the time McCain did so, however, DCI’s effort had gone on for nine months and was on its way toward killing the bill.

In recent days, McCain has said Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were “one of the real catalysts, really the match that lit this fire” of the global credit crisis. McCain has accused Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama of taking advice from former executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and failing to see that the companies were heading for a meltdown.

McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, or his lobbying firm has taken more than $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dating to 2000. In December, Freddie Mac contributed $250,000 to last month’s GOP convention.

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72dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Obama has received $120,349 in political donations from employees of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae; McCain, $21,550.

Freddie Mac executive Hollis McLoughlin oversaw DCI’s drive, according to the three people.

“Hollis’ goal was not to have any Freddie Mac fingerprints on this project, and DCI became the hidden hand behind the effort,” one of the three people told the AP.

Before 2004, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were Democratic strongholds. After 2004, Republicans ran their political operations. McLoughlin, who joined Freddie Mac in 2004 as chief of staff, has given $32,250 to Republican candidates over the years, including $2,800 to McCain, and has given none to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group that tracks money in politics.

On Friday night, Hagel’s chief of staff, Mike Buttry, said Hagel’s legislation “was the last best chance to bring greater oversight and tighter regulation to Freddie and Fannie, and they used every means they could to defeat Sen. Hagel’s legislation every step of the way.”

“It is outrageous that a congressionally chartered government-sponsored enterprise would lobby against a member of Congress’s bill that would strengthen the regulation and oversight of that institution,” Buttry said in a statement. “America has paid an extremely high price for the reckless, and possibly criminal, actions of the leadership at Freddie and Fannie.”

This all happened due to the REPUBLICANS!!! This was in the vindy and taken for the Wall Street Journal!

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73Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well Jeff Lebo:
Your addition is correct on the forty six. So what is your point? Too many posts or should I have pushed the abortion issue more here at Vindy? How do you feel about the murder of the most innocent ones?

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74JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

My point is that you seemed to have things to say about anything and everything, fact and fiction regarding Obama 45 times and only today mentioned your "main dispute" with the man. Were I passionate about an issue I would have probably mentioned it within my first few posts, that's all. Not too many posts by any means -- I would guess I probably have a lot more actually...Also, I didn't add your posts up by hand, upon clicking on a poster's name you find the total number of comments.

I'm pro-choice with regard to the abortion issue but it is probably the only issue where I don't begrudge anyone else's opinion -- honestly and truly.

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75clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well, you guys, your wish came true, congrats. You win. I don't know what to say. God Bless America, God D America or Allah Bless America. Guess time will tell.So according to Biden, now we wait for the "test", I hope we survive.

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76s_black(40 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Drama, drama, drama.

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77Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well Jeff Lebo:

Since you and most like you are insensitive to the carnage of babies being killed neccesitates finding the right medium to bring this issue to light. What did you think about this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9UXsz...

Now to the issue of Obama being elected. When he beat out Hillary in the primaries I predicted his victory in the Presidential Election by at least ten points. With high expectations from his supporters disappointment should be expected. My view is that past perfomance is a good indicator of future performance. His most spectacular achievement may be the fact that he was elected to the Oval Office.

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78s_black(40 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Your view of past performance, Stan? Really? Because I've heard that "view" thousands of time before. Clearly, you can repeat. Think, no, repeat, yes. I agree with Jeff. You came to your abortion position late in all of your anti-Obama rhetoric, and I'm guessing that you don't even have a clear understanding beyond Limbaugh's take of Obama's position on abortion. It's interesting that when you rabid conservatives have nothing left you start screaming about liberals wanting to kill babies, even though abortion is not what anyone wants.

Obama's victory was not the eeking that we've seen in the last two presidential runs. It was a trouncing. We're not listening to your fear mongering any more. You can predict all that you want to. Go ahead. You and your fellow whiners can just keep on whining.

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79clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well guess what, my taxes have already gone up, thanks to Obama. Because so many brothers and sisters decided to vote this time, who have not voted before, they voted for a 9.5mil school levy that has failed many times in the past. Because they, for the most part, do not pay property taxes, why should they care. If any of you read the paper, there was a multitude of delinquent taxpayers, so now we have an extra burden added, thanks Dems.

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80Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago


Enjoy the euphoria of the election while it lasts. Now lets get to the issue of thinking since you raised it. What brought Obama into office was "BUSH FATIGUE". In 2012 "OBAMA FATIGUE" may very well bring Sarah Palin into office. I doubt if you can comprehend this.


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81s_black(40 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

"Enjoy the euphoria of the election while it lasts." Thanks, sweetheart, I plan to.

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