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Billboard in Niles calls Obama a socialist



Published: Thu, October 23, 2008 @ 7:54 p.m.

NILES — A privately funded billboard calling Sen. Barack Obama a socialist is being blasted by some of the Valley’s political players.

“It’s the most ridiculous, inaccurate billboard that could ever be put up,” said state Rep. Robert F. Hagan of Youngstown, D-60th, of the advertisement that proclaims: “Say no to socialism! Say no to socialist Barack Hussein Obama.”

The message flashes on the digital screen across from the Eastwood Mall on Youngstown Warren Road. A photograph of Obama is positioned at the right of the billboard, his face crossed out with a white ‘X.’

Clinton Nickas, with the Youngstown bureau of Lamar Advertising, the company that owns the large billboard, would not comment on the company’s policy regarding political ads.

Read more in Friday’s Vindicator and Vindy.com


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1JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

Desperation.

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2valleyred(1100 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

Factual.

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3ts1227(137 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

ValleyRed, Are you serious?
This is why no one takes this area seriously regarding anything.

The socialist thing is a stretch, but not really "offensive". When the administration is so far right, coming back to the left is going to look "socialist".

But when you insert "Hussein" the inference is "Obama is a Muslim", which if you look at polls only 12% of Americans are actually dumb enough to believe. All this bulltein board does is make people think that most of that stupid 12% lives around here.

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4JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

ts, I guarantee ValleyRed is serious in his/her beliefs. This is what these people have been spoonfed by Rush, their limp di*k members of Congress, their preachers and the people who sell them their guns...they have no choice but to believe it and feel compelled to try to spread the word. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

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5Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

It's no secret tha Lamar has favored the Republicans for years:

http://dems.tribe.net/thread/fbc4cf69...

They should read Tyler Clark's recent piece.

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6hmmm(2 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

Don't think tax reform is socialism. But is Obama is socialist then McCain is too. The big wall street bailout is one of the most recent act of socialism and John McCain suppended his campaign to go help with that.

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7GarySarko(2 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

That loud sucking sound you hear are your future social security checks being wiped out by the 12 million illegal aliens Barack Obama wants to hand your life long payroll taxes to. You worked your whole life in this country. They just snuck across the border, took your work and now the already strapped Social Security fund gets wiped out with Obama's blessings. Its just not right. I don't know what little guy he's fighting for but it sure isn't me.

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8ts1227(137 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

Considering we're handing jobs to the Mexicans on a silver platter at American Standard in Salem, seems like that's fine with people from both parties around here...

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9meralexis(9 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

It is amazing at the igorance that exists in this day and age.

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10FormerRes(39 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

When did Obama get to be a Socialist all of a sudden? Did I miss some stupid Rush SLimbaugh / Sean Fannyty Nazi propaganda session? These guys would have been Hitler henchmen in an earlier life. Goering or Goebbels.

GarySarko - Illegal aliens are here because they can make more money busting their asses in the U.S. Republicans want them here because they can exploit them, just like the mills did to non-union labor in Y-town in my grandfather's day. The Hispanic illegals I've seen will work a labor job all day for half what you'll accept, and do 2x as much work. Then they'll go to their night time job.

Simple fact. Half the people in the world have below average intelligence. Those dumb bastards are the people who can be swayed by the likes of the sleazy bastards on talk radio. If you find yourselves listening to these neo-nazi mouthpieces, YOU are in the BELOW AVERAGE category. Talk Radio's sole purpose in life is manipulating YOU !! Not informing you, but programming you in the direction they want you to go. (they get a ton of money for what they do, paid by big corporations that want to make sure YOU are kept stupid and in debt) Much of the media is now that way.

So, Think it through. Use your head. It's that lump that's 3 feet above your ass.

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11bcblue84(2 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

Sounds like Communism to me. Party officials get lavish clothing allowances even for the baby (Trig). All the while they shout "We are equal! -- Hockey Moms, Joe-the-Plumber, Joe-six-packs." They exhort us to unite against Socialism (when Bush has already ushered in Socialism by nationalizing the banks). Yet we are acting like a country of Communists where some people are “more equal than others”. Some people get clothing allowances to spend at high-end, upscale, rarefied, privileged, well-heeled, posh department stores, while the rest of us shop (if we have a few dollars to shop) at Walmart, Marshalls, and Sears. Sounds like Communism to me. Caviar for party officals, crust-of-bread for the workers. I am sure Sarah Palin and her entire family are entitled to designer duds, per diem expenses to stay at home 300 nights, and travel expenses for 4 truant children and 1 drop-out boyfriend, after all, they are party officials.

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12George412(161 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

Call Lamar @ Lamar Adverstising: (330) 759-8200. Tell them they're commiting libel: a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression.

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13Jcatt(2 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I think the billboard shows two things that are very important. 1) The obvious affect that billboards have on the advertising public and 2) There is still such a thing as freedom of speech.
If it bothers so many people why don't they put up one of their own. The message may seem to some to be in poor taste, but beyond that freedom of speech is an American right. If this message would have been censored then you would know that your not living in a free society that many people have lost their lives preserving.

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14OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

please visit http://politicalcompass.org/... take the test yourself then look to see where Obama is.

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15DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Atty. George:
I must know where you received your J.D. from. Your legal expertise is most intriguing. You see, I thought that in NY Times v. Sullivan the Supreme Court ruled that public figures are held to a higher standard when defamation and libel are involved. Did Lamar or the people who bought the sign commit actual malice? Are you confused now? See what happens when you start writing and commenting about things that you know nothing about. Now I hope poor Lamar does not get phones calls for merely doing business in our country and trying to CHANGE his fortunes. Go back into the room where your story books are located and keep reading them. You'll get picked for thet team yet. You watch.

In any event, someone ought to buy a billboard right across from the one in question and state the same exact things about McCain. Both of these fools are proposing socialist solutions to our problems.

The last time I checked a bunch of dems went bat sh*t trying to give amnesty to the illegals. I bet no dems own corporations or like cheap labor, just the U.S. Reds, right FormerRes? You have been cajoled just as badly as the people you write about. Also, I did not know Bush nationalized the banks. I thought that a bi-cameral legislature meant that the congress voted on laws. Congress has dems in it too right bcblue84? They voted for the "nationalization" of the banks right? To further expose your lower tier brain, the banks have been nationalized since the depression. There are several big national banks that lend to all the smaller banks. The money comes from the treasury and the fed makes the interest rates that the big banks lend on. Am I going too fast? What you are referring to is the bailout plan where the government passed a law (ratified by congress)and purcahsed preferred stock in nine major private banks. Now I do want to give you a headache, but preferred stock has no voting rights, but they preferred stock gets payed dividends first, and the banks can buy back the preferred stock in three years. I cannot believe Bush thought up this plan by himself and then ratified it, somehow circumventing the constitution, and has truly nationalized the banks, you are a genius and so is he.

Face it like this and you will be facing reality: If you think one party is causing all the problems and the other is not, you are excatly what they want. If you think there are no socialist tendencies going on here in the US you have already lost. Both parties are laughing at you because you are so into one party you cannot see the reality of the big picture. The politicians keep you fighting and they keep on getting fat pockets and remaining virtually untouchable in our society. You are exactly what the politicians are looking for. But alas, we have had a good run since 1776.

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16Jcatt(2 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

An excellent comment DOCTORGONZO! As those of us that are educated know public figures do not fall into the category of libel comments, it falls under the ammendment of freedom of speech. "poor Lamar" as you stated is doing just that, doing business in an area that has one of the highest unemployment ratings in the country. For people to think the ad is offensive or derogatory are nothing more then uneducated and prove that they know nothing about the issues at hand. Lets act like adults and vote for the issues at hand instead of acting like a bunch of idiots that focus on anti-political ads. This is suppose to be a free Country based on our civil rights. Where illegal aliens fall into this particular event is beyond me, if you folks have an opinion at least have the brains to stick with the issue we are talking about.
I am sure Lamar has recieved negative calls, but at what expense? It just sounds as if people are looking for a reason to complain and find fault in others rather then vote based on facts. No wonder our economy is in the crapper!

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17andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/...

Wednesday, October 8, 2008
Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996
UPDATE: WE WILL POST AT LEAST ONE MORE SOURCE COMING TOMORROW! Subscribe to feeds or bookmark page.

In June sources released information that during his campaign for the State Senate in Illinois, Barack Obama was endorsed by an organization known as the Chicago "New Party". The 'New Party' was a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards. The admittedly Socialist Organization experienced a moderate rise in numbers between 1995 and 1999. By 1999, however, the Socialist 'New Party' was essentially defunct after losing a supreme court challenge that ruled the organizations "fusion" reform platform as unconstitutional.

After allegations surfaced in early summer over the 'New Party's' endorsement of Obama, the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member of either organization. The DSA and 'New Party' then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA's New Party.

On Tuesday, I discovered a web page that had been scrubbed from the New Party's website. The web page which was published in October 1996, was an internet newsletter update on that years congressional races. Although the web page was deleted from the New Party's website, the non-profit Internet Archive Organization had archived the page.

From the October 1996 Update of the DSA 'New Party':
"New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races...

Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."

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18DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I spelled paid (payed) wrong.

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19DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I do not think that people who find the billboard derogatory or ignorant are uneducated. This is their opinion and I can see where some may think that way. You have the right.
To "shoot the messenger" and ridicule the guy who owns the billboard for working within the bounds of the law and making a living is beyond the realm of cognizant thought.
I also want to clarify that I don't find Bush to be a genius in any capacity or even nearing that moniker. I was being sarcastic. People on this website tend to see what they want to in a post and their perception becomes their reality.
This message was meant to preempt the facists.
I am Doctor Gonzo and I approve this post.

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20FormerRes(39 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Check again there, Georgie Boy. McCain WROTE the last bill that was trying to give amnesty to the illegals, and he was HEAVILY backed by BUSH. He got his butt handed to him on a plate for his trouble. Who was the last U.S. President to actually give amnesty to the illegals? ... Oh Yeah, Ronald Reagan. Hmmm. No big corporate ties there. Ever BEEN to the Reagan Library? I live 10 miles away from it. Big bucks, big donors, big influence.

Big Agribusiness and Construction business gets the money from exploiting the illegals. They use that money and more to buy influence and political power. Open your eyes. These Illegals are just like everyone else when they first get to the U.S. Hardworking, family oriented, live 2-3 families to a house, just like my Steelworker Grandfather and Uncles, and Rosie the Riveter Aunts did back in the 40's during WWII. Don't demonize them or use them as scapegoats.

I'm an Independent. I don't think either party has the answer. Too much money chasing politicians. Political courage is a rarity these days.

However, Barack Obama is a guy that worked his way up from being a poor black kid in America, educated himself, pulled himself up by his bootstraps, and made a career for himself by dint of his own efforts.

John McCain is the son and grandson of admirals who ALWAYS traded on his family ties and connections for advantage.
In that respect, he is exactly like George Bush. He cheated constantly on his first wife, except for that 5 years in Hanoi, and finally dumped her when the heiress hit the scene. His congressional record already shows that he worked to stop regulators from moving in to investigate Keating, sadly with John Glenn's help. I respect McCain's service to the country, but no way does that earn him my vote.

I'll go with the guy who has, in true American tradition, met all the challenges and did so on his own merit. He will meet the huge challenges that lie ahead. I see McCain as a man looking backward trying to function in a world where the rules are changing. I see Obama as a man who will help to write the new rules.

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21DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

The original bill was a colaboration between McCain and Teddy Kennedy.
Harry Reid was a big proponenet of the bill but it did not pass the House vote.
Let's see, Bush, McCain (and his hot wife), Harry Reid, and Teddy KENNEDY.
I cannot iamgine any of those guys have any corporate ties or ownership stock in any type of business that would employ cheap illegal labor. Why would they want to keep their pockets fat while harming their constituents?
I mean Teddy KENNEDY never had any trouble in his life, Harry Reid is as clean as they come in the great state of Nevada, and Bush was never born with a silver spoon in his mouth and given positions he was not ready for in life, and John McCain wasn't playing for votes in the southwest US at all either.

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22George412(161 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

It might be true that by legal standards, Lamar isn't doing anything wrong. Printing rumors and falsehoods, however, is evidence of questionable business ethics.

Whoever paid for this sign must be pretty frightened of Obama's power.

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23George412(161 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

By the way Gonzo and JCatt, It is possible to commit libel against a public figure by publishing information that is false. This is why those who seek to defame Obama emphasize his middle name. The use of Hussein implies terrorism without calling the man a terrorist. This is why Palin says that Obama "pals around with terrorsists" instead of calling him a terrorist. An implication is not a statement and is therefore not libelous (you are correct on that point); however, it walks the line. Libelous, no, unethical and ignorant, yep.

And if you two are recommending courses of study, you might brush up on your own knowledge of the first amendment.

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24Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Lets not forget Obama's lipstick on the pig remark. There are plenty of digs on both sides. Politicians are like visiting relatives, after they have been around a while they tend to smell. "Perfection in politics will never be found." BTW, you can quote me on this !

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25andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

FORMER RES
I respect your decisions on who you support. I don't respect the man you support.

This quote of yours is disturbing although.

"However, Barack Obama is a guy that worked his way up from being a poor black kid in America, educated himself, pulled himself up by his bootstraps, and made a career for himself by dint of his own efforts." [it sounds like rev wright]

I will give him the education swing Columbia, Harvard Law.
But from his youth, he has continually found friends and mentors. That are down right Comunistas in Frank Marshall Davis. Muslims, Socialist, Terrorist [Mr & Mrs Ayers] So do you think he uses or has a lick of sense. I am serious ACORN, Rev. Wright, Father Phleger, Rezko, Raila Odinga, Rashid Khalidi, Tony Rezko. Many of these people were close to him raised money for him. People he worked with. Google Democracy Alliance. I just ask one thing for Obama supporters follow the people, money and paper trails of Obama. Then make a decision.

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26cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

andersonathan: You continually try to find a classification for Obama, Muslim, terrorist, elitist, socialist.

What about Sarah McScary and her ties to terrorist that are just now coming out. Her connection to the Alaskan Independence party is just the start.

Her connections to middle east terrorist are now coming out. At first everyone thought that she named her kids all those crazy names because she's a whack job. In fact their names are terrorist code. If you speak Arabic and you watch Osama bin Laden he repeats the names in his speeches. I know you remember bin Laden, the guys made more movies than George Clooney.

Now here is the plan: If McSame and McScary get elected and they are asked, what are you going to do next, they will say, "we are going to Disneyland". When they get to Disneyland that's when the terror starts. You know that youngest daughter? She is actually a midget, muslim, lesbian, suicide bomber. That last kid she had. that's the bomb. Think about it. I've never even seen that kid blink. Their going to blow up Magic Mountain.

I know this is true because my neighbors gardner's cousins babysitters brothers baby's mama read it on the intranet.

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27DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Atty. George:
If you read my post completely, you have viewed the term actual malice. This is the test proposed by the Supreme Court in order to see if libel or defamtaion was being committed against a public figure. That is why I asked you if actual malice was being committed. Here's my last lesson for you on the subject:
It is not enough to print or speak false material against a public figure. The public figure must prove that the publisher or orator of the information in question knew the information was false or acted recklessly in regards to the known falsehood. Read the last paragraph again and we'll move on.
The burden of proof in a libel case in normally a "more likely than not". In a case of libel against a public figure the Supreme Court said the claimant must be able to show "clear and convincing" evidence that a defendant acted with actual malice. This is likely a higher standard.
To review: If sexy Sarah Palin were to attempt to garner punative damages against cambridge for defamation, Palin would have to prove cambridge knew Palin was not connected to terrorists. Palin would also have to prove cambridge knew that Palin did not hire a vertically challenged muslim homosexual to parade in disguise as her daughter. This would have to be clear and convincing evidence. Palin would not be able to do this. Maybe it's all true, maybe it's all false, but Palin could never meet the standards imposed. This is why most public figures just have to suck it up.
I never said a public figure could not win a libel case, I said the standards were much more stringent. Hence, actual malice. You are jumping around from libel, to unethical, to ignorant. Three different categories of potential wrongdoing.
I am not sure why I need to brush up on First Amendment reading. I think I have a pretty good grasp on it. It appears that you believe "unethical and ignorant" statements by politicians against other politicinas should be banned. Heil Atty. George.

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28Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Hi there simple-minded libs,

Is "spreading the wealth around" a tenet of socialism...you bet.

I want everybody to be happy and have nice things and succeed the way you do. The problem is socialism has failed everywhere it as been tried everytime. I suspect it has failed because when you punish hard work, people work less hard. When you reward slothfulness, people work less hard. When FDR raised personal income taxes in the early 1930s, the GDP fell. It's not rocket science, it's onesies and twosies.

What I find particularly troubling is the strategy of using socialist policies to divide Americans against each other, all for the purpose of political gain. Anyone remember pre-WWII Europe and Asia?

THINK, LIBS, THINK! THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED! THE CONSEQUENCES TO OUR NATION ARE EXISTENTIAL!

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29cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Nonsocialist: Every time a new tax plan is put it play it redistributes the wealth. When Dubya put his tax plan in play he redistributed the wealth to the top 10% because their success was going to trickle down on the rest of us. Look how well that worked out.

Obama wants to try a tax plan that is relief for the bottom 90%. The thinking is that if the bottom 90% have prosperity so will the top 10%. I know that sounds crazy to you but I think we should give it a chance.

The Republicans had their chance and their record speaks for itself. Obama 081

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30ismellmyhand(26 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

OK Ok. so Obama is not a muslim... just his brothers sisters uncles aunts half his grandparents, step father etc. The black power radical church of Reverend Wright is just as bad. He is an extremely ill man who is a chameleon without soul. No one but no one survives intact after being abandoned by BOTH their father (age 2) and mother (age 8).

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31George412(161 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Gonzo, I'm not going to bore the other posters by continuing to argue libel with you. I'm not an attorney; I'm a journalist, and I've taken courses in press law and ethics. I know about malice, but thanks.

I'm actually in favor of keeping the billboard up. I don't advocate banning this kind of expression because I think it says much more about the people who are saying it than it does about the victim of the slander. It says that they are frightened, desperate, and incapable of civil and reasoned communication. But that's just me being an elitist and "talking down" again.

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32swestnr(8 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

They did this during the Hoover Administration (the Great Depression) also: bankers took cash from the federally-funded Reconstruction Finance Corporation and used it simply to pay their top executives. Then, when they ran out of cash, they closed their doors and left their depositors in the cold! (This was before the FDIC was created.) Hoover was a Republican too, please remember. Franklin Delano Roosevelt created the New Deal and such institutions as FDIC, Social Security, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Glass-Steagall Interstate Banking Act, the Federal Housing Administration, the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA), the Bonneville Power Administration (BPA), the Works Progress Administration (WPA) and Fannie Mae (then under strict controls.) Conservatives openly accused FDR of being "a traitor to his class" (FDR was independently quite wealthy) and have sought to tear down these New Deal programs ever since: notably targeting Social Security, WPA and the Interstate Banking Act - thus the cries to "privatize" Social Security and the GOP-led evisceration of Glass-Steagall in 1999. WPA was destroyed during WW-II, as would also have been TVA and BPA had not both been critical to America's nuclear weapons program. Other programs such as Fannie Mae, the SEC, TVA and BPA, conservatives simply infiltrated and established substantial control over for their own purposes. At root of all this effort is the same attitude expressed toward FDR in 1933: Class Privilege and the elitism of power and wealth. George W. Bush - whose granddaddy was Adolph Hitler's *Personal Banker* - is very much a part of this moneyed elite. So is John McCain - albeit by marriage. These people believe that wealth DESERVES more wealth, and that THE NEEDY DESERVE THEIR NEED! It is that simple

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33swestnr(8 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

the biggest socialist is voin-the-rich, wallstreet and the bankers that has been taking "socialist welfare-tax-payer checks for centuries see the below post:

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34swestnr(8 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Ohio including the mahoning valley needs a socialistic govt check to pay the unemployment checks because Ohio is bankrupt.

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35Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Cambridge,

When workers are allowed to keep money that they've earned with their own hands, how is it considered redistributed?

President Bush cut every taxpayers rate, and all taxpayers got to keep more of what they labored for. The flaw in the "Bush" tax cuts (the legislation is actually passed by Congress) is that it made the tax rate more "progressive". In other words, the top taxpayers got a smaller reduction than lower-end taxpayers. The lowest 40% began not to pay taxes at all.

Both parties are driving us off the cliff, but the Dems seem very eager to do it. We need to abolish the personal income tax, and thereby stop penalizing hard work, and begin a National sales tax, like the "Fair tax." The GDP will explode, and the trade deficit will turn into a trade surplus, and government revenues will increase high enough to pay back some of the money we've stolen from our children to pay for Swestnr's entitlements.

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36s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

That billboard is like writing something trashy on a bathroom wall. When I saw it, I laughed. It won't work, but it's money well spent. LOL.

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37andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Non Socialist; and begin a National sales tax, like the "Fair tax." I think it was Mike Huckabee talked about that. It does sound reasonable from what i have heard of it.

We need to lower capital gains tax to a minimum.
I have heard Obama/biden wanting to go after offshore accounts. if anything let people and companies bring their money back into the US tax free. There are things we could be doing to free up money, create jobs, that will create taxes.
Raising taxes on anybody is just a slow hurt on everybody.
After all if I work hard, save some money. Keep decent credit. Want to start a business. Hire a few people. Even on a small scale. Higher Taxes, mandatory health care? Why do it.

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38DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Jounalist George:
We were not arguing, I was teaching. I cannot fathom you advocated calling a private proprietor and harassing him/her over issues you allegedly took classes on. Of course I have always believed the press adheres to their own set of laws and ethics anyway, very weak ones at that.

Ifthis is boring anyone, merely skim past my vaunted moniker and writings when you come across them.

Redistribution of wealth is a tenet of many forms of government on several levels including our own "free market" capitalist society.
I believe strongly that certain people should be given financial aid in certain situations and this aid may be derived from income tax revenues that those people may or may not have contributed to.
A single mother attending night school who works 40-50 hours a week to support three children whom were born out of marriage to a man who made a good living who has since left her high and dry is a great example. As long as she is contributing to society and attempting to advance herself and rear good children she deserves financial aid. The millionaire trust fund hash smoking malcontent can afford to have some of his/her wealth redistributed in this example.
The issue of socialism arises when the government keeps making policy that controls the wealth and redistributes beyond what is required in our self correcting system. Yes, our economic system is self correcting. People may have to suffer at some point but it will correct itself. FDR did a good job of kick-starting the economy during the depression. That was not socialism however. Job creation, retirement benefits for the people who pay in, and regulatory laws were needed in that situation. They are needed now as well. Unfortuneately putting a moratorium on home foreclosures, buying up bad mortgages, raising taxes on employers, raising taxes on investment, allowing non-citizens to come in eat pie without paying, etc. are not long-term solutions. They are short term socialistic band aids in an election year.
You cannot worry about the people born into ultra wealth such as Bush, Kennedy, etc. These groups are always going to get theirs, they run the show, and many of them contributed large coin to McCain and Obama so they will still run the show. You think all that loot Obama raised was donated by the "middle class"? Someone already has their strings on his shoulders, and we know McCain is a paper "maverick".
What drive does an American citizen have to EARN more money when they know they will be gouged by taxes to support the people who don't have that same drive? That is socialism. All the parts are made equal except the parts that mandate and enforce the equality. The drive leaves because there is a low, low ceiling on opportunity.

Sarah Palin is one nice piece of Alaskan tail.

I am Doctor Gonzo and I approve this post.

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39George412(161 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

When a company distributes defamatory information publically, it should prepare itself for public reaction. Yellow journalism is for some outlets the standard today. Some reach for easy, high impact statements like "Obama is a socialist" over real in-depth analysis.

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40andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Simple Logic?
Hmmmm........ George W. Bush went to Harvard Business

Barack Hussein Obama went to Harvard Law

Seems everyone under the sun want to blame GWB
For our economic status. [Business failure]

So to avoid having our rights undermined
by a Harvard lawyer. A simple vote 4
McCain/Palin on November 4th will avoid the
upcoming disaster.

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41Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Well it's getting closer to the big day. Does either candidate have the best interest of the voters on their agenda? In the game of politics one usually has to pick the lesser of the two evils. Can anyone truly look ahead and see how either candidate would do? After election time we can then evaluate the winner on his performance or lack thereof.

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42mrbumpy(11 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

George.....first off I cannot give you credit for the ridiculous suggestion of calling Lamar. It wasn't an original thought. Bob Hagan when on TV and told people to do it. All you did was take his words, post them, in hopes that people would follow through on the stupid suggestion. Calling and harassing a business doesn't even go anywhere near the root cause of the problem. Imagine if I asked you to post the number of your employer so we can call and tell them you're committing plagiarism? It solves absolutely nothing beyond harassing you for speaking your mind (or Bob's mind).

The concept of free speech carries responsibilities...think next time before doing something irresponsible. To me it looks like you're doing the same thing that the person who posted the sign is....

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43George412(161 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

mrbumpy, I can see why you might have thought, if you don't really understand the standard of common knowledge, that I plagiarized. Because the idea was widely circulating via the web/email(which is where I got it, not from Hagan), common knowledge applies. The definition of libel I copied and pasted from dictionary.com. It's not necessary to provide a citation for a dictionary; dictionary defintions are also considered common knowledge. I figured that everyone knew, as you did, that it wasn't my idea, but I think it's a good one. I think we should speak up when we see injustice...more of that pesky liberal idealism.

One can reasonably say, "I find your decision to post that billboard irresponsible" without harassing. Calling a business may not "go anywhere near the root of the problem," but not acknowledging this lack of ethics is even worse. And here's where I disagree with Hagan. He demanded that Lamar take the sign down within a week. I say leave it up. Show us who you are.

Anyone who sees this kind of "advertising" as anything but slanderous, base, libelous, lacking in intelligence, etc. is, well, to be kind, not particularly bright. Any company who stands behind this kind of advertising is unethical. I realize that I'm calling a large number of advertising agencies unethical. I don't have a problem with that. We should demand a higher standard of business ethics, and not just in this case.

And just so we're clear, I wouldn't support this kind of publication of a similar message about McCain, Palin, or even Bush, despite my political leanings. I'd like to see a higher level of dialogue across the board, but it has become clear which side is doing more of this kind of stooping (just reread the posts on this thread if you're in doubt). This is an election to choose the leader of our country, not the Friday Night Smackdown. A little dignity would be nice.

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44George412(161 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Go ahead Gonzo or Mr. Bumpy, or whoever, come back at me. It doesn't matter. The billboard won't make a difference in the outcome of the election. I'm not coming from a position of protecting Obama from slanderous accusations (he's already said that he's prepared to deal with it). I'm also not worried about the impact of the sign on local voters; we're probably all set in our decisions anyway.

My position always has been that I'm tired of businesses acting in ways that should be beneath our standards. It shouldn't be acceptable that a company will publish any information about any individual for the right amount of money. Lamar certainly isn't the only culprit, but it is currently the most obvious local one. Bottom line, it accepted money to smear a man's reputation.

Call me naive or idealistic or liberal or whatever. Tell me that I don't live in the real world. I proudly agree with it all.

George Hussein 412.

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45DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Boy George:
You must be a real fun guy to live with. You really seem to be able to reason well with your surroundings.
I don't care about the outcome of the election, I care that a "journalist" was advocating harassment of a taxpayer over alleged slander. You still cannot comprehend it can you? It was not SLANDER, LIBEL, or DEFAMATION. No journalist guy, no.
I am tired of the media syndicate acting like professionals. Are you going to tell me that only companies publicize things for money? What about the industry you work for? Are you sick? Journalism is full of lies, spin, and unproven statements. Whose standards are you referring to with "our standards"? The journalistic standards in this country are next to those of politicians-at the bottom. You and your kind blatantly make things up everyday in order to sell your product, but you are tired of all this, right?
I won't call you naive, lib, or idealistic, let's try delusional, depressing, and remedial.

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46George412(161 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Gonzo, All due respect, you should know, as much as you've "researched" it, that libel cases often come down to subjective judgements about intent and result...that's why they're so difficult to win. Whether or not we can legally get away with something shouldn't be the only benchmark. I respectfully disagree...a company that advertises its name across the bottom of each of its billboards is not a private "taxpayer." It has by choice made itself a public name. Lamar could have turned the ad down; the company chose not to. So be it.

Also, you might have noted that the local McCain/Palin campaign has stated that it is neither behind nor in any way supportive of the Lamar billboard. Clearly, I'm not the only one who sees a problem with it. Most intelligent people agree that this is not the way we should engage in political discussions.

As for ethics in journalism, you'll get no argument from me there. I said it before and I'll say it again, I agree with you. When the press went after Palin's family, I said "leave the kids alone." When a recent report about John McCain's brother came out, I called it "ridiculous." We all have to work for a living. We can accept low standards, or we can work for change from the inside. I choose the latter. I'm not sure what's so depressing about calling for civility in communication, but if you prefer to live a life where ridicule and disdain are the norm, that's your burden to bear.

It's interesting that you repeatedly resort to name-calling and presumptions. You attack me on nearly every thread where I post. Perhaps you don't care about the election, but you seem to care a great deal about me.

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47s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

"This is an election to choose the leader of our country, not the Friday Night Smackdown. A little dignity would be nice."

LOL. Perfect.

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48lucy(123 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Lamar has also donated its billboards to promote exhibits at the YSU's McDonough Museum. One billboard in the uptown currently features a piece from the museum. So why did Lamar run such a contentious ad this time? Lamar should have exercised better judgement.

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49ytown9999(55 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Wait... Bob "You're a racist if you don't vote for Obama" Hagan said that calling Obama a socialist is ridiculous and inaccurate? Kind of like saying that everyone who doesn't vote for Obama is racist?

Hagan is a hypocrite, lifelong politician needs to find a new line of work.

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50DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Georgie Porgie:
Nothing against you in general, I just tend to have your posts in mind when I post my own on this thread. I do not even know you, only what you have written here. Namecalling can be linked to a low self esteem, self deprivation, blatant immaturity, etc. It is really fun though.
Also, no research needed for my posts; my brain is a fertile organ seething with logic, jurisprudence, and the secrets of life in general.
I do not think I ever referred to Lamar as a "private taxpayer". I did call him a taxpayer, and one who is trying to conduct business within the law and pays taxes (I assume Lamar is current) should not be harassed by people claiming he broke the law or committed a tort against another when he clearly did not. Of course a jury could find otherwise, but I am not sure a good judge would let that stand.
Ethically I cannot find any fault with it either. The sign says Obama is a socialist. Had the billboard attacked his kids, wife, middle name (he didn't choose that name), bi-racial parents, religion, the fact that he smokes (I don't believe he quit, how could you in this climate), etc. then it may have crossed heavy ethical lines.
In closing, you stated that "We all have to work for a living". You and I and everyone else knows that is just not true. If I wanted to, I could get a check every month, probably tax free, claim that I had some sort of affliction that did not "allow" me to work and live a feasible lifestyle until I died. Welcome to America and the quest for votes, no partisan subtleties implied.

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51clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I am a poor white person, I went to YSU, never had an opportunity to go to Harvard. Obama is NOT officially black, check the stats, he has too much white blood in him, he is just calling himself black. But he is definitely a socialist, no color barrier there. He is an eloquent speaker, speaking gibberish that he cannot back up, but he looks good, and he is a democrat, thats all that matters. If he wins, let's continue this conversation a year from now. I bet views will be different.

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52clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Y-town999.......Guess what? Hagan has a real job, he works for the CSX railroad, but he never works because he is a politician.....He is a phony from the word go and is riding on his wife's coattails, she is an actress, no point getting her involved, she has nothing to do with his "knowledge" , he is an idiot, a political wannabe, going nowhere who thinks his opinion is worth something.

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53andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Khalidi, Rezko, Ayers, Dorn, ACORN, Wright, Phleger, Odinga, Democracy Alliance, George Soros, Frank Marshall Davis, New Party, Auchi.

Yes Obama will bring a better Muslim and socialist US of A or is that the US of KKKA.

And if that don't "Change" you mind, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Kerry. Should "Change" your mind.

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54cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Kerry 08!

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55JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I assume you'll all be sending your stimulus checks back since by your definitions they could be categorized socialist, right?

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56cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

tomcat:

I'm going to assume you voted for Bush in the last two presidential elections. That disqualifies you from giving advice.

Obama 08!

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57cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

The Alaska Dayle News in Anchorage Alaska, Alaska's largest newspaper just endorsed Obama.

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58s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Well, look, now ALL of the Vindy's insane trolls are officially accounted for here.

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59JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Tomcat, thanks for the reply -- I'm always happy to see deep insecurity displayed through excessive capitalization. [It's okay, I'm sure she (he?) really thinks it's a decent size...] Yes, I did receive a stimulus check and also cashed it. I needed money to pay for my plush, $1,600 leather Rush Limbaugh recliner.

Enjoy the next four years and make sure your Caps Lock key is on, you are probably going to need it to substitute for lack of both size and substance in your comments.

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60s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Long live the terrorists, Marxists and way left libs!

Hussein 08!

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61Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Well, 11-04-08 is getting closer.

Pundits on both sides are jockeying into position for the victory of their candidate. The catch is that there will be but one winner. How will each side react ? Will Barack continue to call Sarah a pig with lipstick ? Will the right survive the next four years if he wins ?

From all indications Barack will have the election by at least ten points. Will we have life in the Garden of Eden for the next four years under his command ? I believe he will have his hands full with a depression during his four years . There is no magic cure that will be instant for the problems that will be faced .

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62s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Tomcat, you are an insane troll, and with every post, you prove it more and more.

Stan, you're wrong. Obama never called Sarah Palin a pig with lipstick. That's Limbaugh crap. Here's what he really said: "John McCain says he’s about change too. And so I guess his whole angle is, watch out, George Bush — except for economic policy, healthcare policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics, we’re really going to shake things up in Washington. That’s not change. That’s just calling some, the same thing something different. You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig."

It's obvious he's referring McCain's similarities to Bush. The quote is from factcheck.org.

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63Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Having a Radical as President sure would be "Change"

Is this really what you want? Read the facts from Obama himself:

Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.

Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

Obama's interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan's Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called "the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union."

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64s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

The Maxists aren't the only group he names. He sought diverse viewpoints. Wow, he must be the anti-Christ.

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65clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Whatever ior whoever he is, he is definitely someone to be reckoned with........think people

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66s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Reckoned with? What does that mean? Would you like to take the boy out to the barn and whip him?

It's you fear-mongering sheeple who aren't capable of thinking for yourselves. When you're bringing something besides the same old terrorist/socialist crap that Limbaugh's been spewing forever, let us know.

You've got a week left to hold on to the hope that Obama might lose. Enjoy it.

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67Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Well, s_black I heard and seen the news clip.

He was definitely talking about Sarah. Are you trying to cover for him? I wouldn't cover for any politician, right wing or left wing. Barack was trying to lessen the impact on her lipstick on a pit bull remark.

I judge politicians on performance. I predict an Obama victory by ten points. If Barack had picked Hillary as his running mate it would be far more than ten points. He has performed well in raising money to fuel his campaign. I also predict Barack blaming all the ills of his administration on Bush.

Looking ahead to 2012 there is a strong possibility of Sarah running against Barack. If this happens and Barack lacked performance during his term I see Sarah winning by at least ten points. If she should pick Alan Keyes as her running mate it would be far more than ten points.

ALAN KEYES PICTURE LINK
http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent...

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68s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Stan, Wrong, wrong. You say you watched a clip? Where? Fox? What's your "source?" I notice you didn't provide it.

Palin will with in 2012? Please. You're like one of those bitter football fans who's always saying wait'll next year. You "predict" Obama will blame all of his problems on the Bush administration? That's your prediction? Your "predictions" and "interpretations" are THE talking points of the conserative and even some of the mainstream media.

Baa.

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69Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

s_black :
So you want a clip ? I don't have enough pull with CNN to get one for you. I heard the news clip and I can assure you that I am 100% right.

So you are against a woman running for the top job in 2012 ? No bitter football fan here nor am I against women in politics. So you have heard others share my viewpoints? There must be other logical thinkers out there.

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70lucy(123 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Stan, I don't need the clip. I watched it when it happened, and I double-checked the transcript. You're 100% wrong. You couldn't be more misinformed. Read the transcipt from the non-partisan source I provided to refresh your obviously flawed memory. Also, in the year 2008, clips are usually available from a variety of online sources. Just think, if you'd have spent five minutes checking your facts, you wouldn't have looked like such an idiot. Well, you might have because of your inability to properly conjugate the verb "see" (It's "I heard and saw" not "I heard and seen").

Look at that leap you just made, not supporting Palin equals being against a woman president. That's what you call logic?

Baa. Six days.

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71s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Stan, I accidentally posted from my office mate's account. Don't direct your response to the above comment to lucy. It's from me. LOL. Lucy's nicer than I am and wouldn't have called you an idiot.

But seriously Stan, read the transcripts. There is plenty of real fault to be found, but Obama never called Palin a pig with lipstick. Never happened.

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72Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

My, my, my, what a furor !

"It's "I heard and saw" not "I heard and seen")."

OK, OK, so it should have been "I heard and had seen."
MY BAD! SO IS THAT BETTER?

I heard and had seen the clip. Just where did Barack get the bit from ? So you say that not supporting Sarah if she ran for the top job in 2012 would have nothing to do with advocating a woman being President? Your absolutely right! If you didn't support her you wouldn't be advocating a woman being President !

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73s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Stan, I would happily support a qualified woman like, for example, Hillary Clinton. Believe it or not, Palin didn't coin all expressions relating to animals and lipstick. The "lipstick on a pig" analogy has been around for a long time. Obama used poor judgment in his figurative language, but he wasn't slamming Palin. People make mistakes when speaking spontaneously. Can't you "seen" that?

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74Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Well PO:

Let's hope that Barack matures quickly and finds a new love for America if he gets elected.

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75Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

s_black :

Hillary running in 2012 isn't in the cards but Sarah is. Sarah does look good with lipstick or without. So you think that Barack has poor judgement?

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76andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I read all the post and I agree with all of you Obama is a socialist. But the Infanticide issue with him supporting that I will never respect him in or out of office.

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77s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Boy you really know how to stretch something, don't you Stan? No wonder you're a republican. All you guys know how to do is lie and distort.

Six days.

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78andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

He gets by with a little help from his friends.

Khalidi, Rezko, Ayers, Dorn, ACORN, Wright, Phleger, Odinga, Democracy Alliance, George Soros, Frank Marshall Davis, New Party, Auchi.

Yes Obama will bring a better Muslim and socialist US of A or is that the US of KKKA.

And if that don't "Change" you mind, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Kerry. Should "Change" your mind.

Of course thing you will never hear on MSM [main street media]

One of Obama's cuts is to eliminate GSL's for students.

It is in the works to take your 401k's and put that money into a sister account of Social Security collecting 3% interest. If you put 5 percent of what you make into it. As a bonus you will get a $5-600 annual check. The payoff will be distributed like Social Security in 500 dollar amounts till depleted. A 45% inheritance tax if pasted on. Of course you will subject to the penalties. Most likely 10% to start with to move it and of course later.

Grant it it is not a tax hike. But pulling out every one's 401k's out of the market out of investors hands into a Government controlled savings system. Might be a hint of the projected 1.3 trillion in new social programs and where the money is coming from. But I don't think anyone would ever take money from Social Security or a Sister program to fund some thing would they? I also do not think the market will be to happy with the move.

Another Government controlled wealth plan?

Google Obama 401k or Democrats 401k

My vote McCain Palin 2008

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79clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I'm just sitting here waiting to get a check from some of your 401K's. Thank you in advance for working so hard to give me a few extra bucks, I appreciate it.

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80Marylou(3 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Keep voting for the Republicans....soon there will be NO JOBS in the valley...you won't be able to GIVE YOUR HOUSE AWAY...you will have more crime, and NO ONE will want to live in OHIO. Pretty much like it is now, after 8 years of BUSH. Are you BETTER OFF?

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81Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

s_black:

I am stretching nothing and I am telling it as it is.

So now you call me a Republican? Since you don't know me and I didn't post any party affiliation I assume that this is your attempt to slam me.

I do have a mind of my own and can judge candidates on their performance and without any bias. McCain still does not want to drill Anwar to aleve our problems nor does Barack. Barack would heavily tax those small companies that are the lifeblood of many communities and McCain wouldn't. We don't need people out of work with a dribble of a government check but need them working and being productive with a paycheck.

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82andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

GTX66

Think you hit the nail on the head right there.

This election is literary being, not stolen, but bought. Almost 100 million of the 150 million Nobama raised in September. Was under 200 dollars mandatory ID requirement. It came over the Internet in mostly untraceable prepaid credit cards. NObama has been the only candidate taking money over the net from anyone, anywhere, with out any ID check system in place.

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83projectgeniene(87 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

As someone who is responsible for a marketing/advertising budget, I am very turned off with Lamar Advertising for allowing such a biased, infactual billboard to go up. It is foolish for a business to sell this message because it is so extremist. It is one thing to rent the billboard to the McCain campaign. It is another thing to allow this type of message. In this economic climate, we can vote with our dollars. I, for one, will not advertise my company with Lamar. If we do not agree with their stance or business decisions, we can show this by not utilizing their business and hurting them where it counts - with ad dollars.

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84JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

tcat, you lose today and your candidate loses Tuesday. What’s disgusting is the fact that the fascists that run this site removed my post...my comments we no more offensive than those who insult readers' intelligence with their propaganda.

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85dmets(575 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Nice with the scare tactics GTX66. As you can see it was ok for the republican party to have completely controll for 6 out of the last eight years. If it was good enough for them, why not for the Democrates? As for your predictions, they are so way off! You need to stop trying to scare people into voting republican, cause McCain is not a good choice! Our ecomony will keep getting worse, and soon the republican have us, the middle class, gone. We will end up with a rich class and a poor class. Then all the people working those middle class jobs, that will now be considered poor jobs, will get smart and realize the hard work is not worth the money being made. Then they will all start living off walfare. Then you, the rich will be supporting all the poor. Do you really want to support almost 95% of America? Wake up and open your eyes and realize your Republican party has driven America into the hole we are in!

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86Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

LETS SEE, we had Clinton for eight years and he supported NAFTA. Surely then he didn't support trade with China did he? Can we assign Clinton's legacy to Bush?

President Clinton Signing NAFTA
http://www.historycentral.com/Documen...

Clinton signs China trade bill, - October 10, 2000
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLIT...

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87cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

nathan, tomcat, valleyred, gtx66, clayor, et all:

It amazes me how all of you can look into the future and know exactly what Obama's administration will do and how it will all turn out for the country. It's to bad none of you looked into your chrystel balls eight years ago.

The Republicans had their chance and their record speaks for itself. Obama 08!

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88dmets(575 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I also think it is funny how they will not and do not take blame or responsibility for the republican party's mistakes. What do they do?, point the finger, At who?, at Clinton. Come on stand up and realize your party has screwed up America royally! It's all there just open your eyes!

cambridge: I completely agree with you!

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89Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

CRAZY LIKE A FOX !

I admit that I had slammed Nancy Pelosi in the past on her stance of no drilling and thought that her motive was to bring enough misery to put her party back in vogue. I see now that I may have been wrong.

HERE IS NANCY SHOWING US THAT THERE IS NO NEED FOR OIL !
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90andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

To who ever I have never voted for a Bush I voted against GHWB the second time and Gore. The other 2 times i did not vote.

http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/

A little more on William Ayers, Prairie Fire was dedicated to Sirhan Sirhan and others. NObama pal was a co author. This just got to Fox about 30 min ago.

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91cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

andersonathan:

As the French say: Kay so what so what!

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92clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

So plenty........these are his friends.....do you want them for your friends? Maybe they will be, and while they are at it, they will be in control of you. Is this what you want? I like my freedom, don't you?

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93dmets(575 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Keep believing everything you hear on Fox News. They are a republican rab station, and well say anything to make Obama look bad. They are a crock!

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94s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Why are you all so focused on what Billy Ayers was doing what, 35 years ago when Barack Obama was eight years old? Oh, because you've got nothing else but these desperate, reaching, untimely, illogical attempts at character assasination. Haven't you noticed? They're not working.

Four days.

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95AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Why is it that if you let the rich keep more of their money that is good, but if you let the middle class keep more of their money that is socialism? Just a reminder that the economic stimulus was targeted to the middle to lower classes for a reason. Because they are the ones that spend money and drive the economy which allows businesses to hire more workers. If you want proof, look at GM. They can produce all the cars they want but if there are no consumers there will be layoffs.

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96Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Well it's getting closer.

Many gravitate toward Obama but not even he has explained in concise terms as to what he will do for America. He has however stated that he will spread America's wealth upon other countries. Sharing the wealth here in the USA has also been discussed. Do we share what is left over from spreading wealth upon other countries? We ship billions of dollars per month to China. Countless other billions are shipped to the Middle East for Oil. His stance against drilling here in the USA shows his lack of interest in supporting internal development. In office he will be like a child lost in the woods on a camping trip. lets not forget the actions of Jimmy Carter in the Iranian hostage crisis. They were held 444 days until Reagan got them out.

THE LEGACY BEGINS !
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97cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

stan the man unusual:

Take the time to read this really slowly then go and find a nice quite dark room and think about what I'm going to write. Please be careful while your thinking that you don't hurt yourself.

Here we go: The United States uses 25% of the worlds oil. The United States has 3% of the worlds oil. We need to invest in renewable fuels. Solar, wind, geothermal and the like.

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98Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Cambridge:

Take a few deep breaths and stay calm. I really dont give a rat's xxx what the rest of the world is doing or using. I have seen pictures of people carrying water in jugs on their heads and using Donkey Carts. Feel free to give it a try. Got a car? I suggest you sell it. You will be saving some oil for a poor soul in another part of the world.

We delveloped drilling technology here in the USA and exported it to the world. Numerous oilfields around the world were developed by American Companies. The USA developed technology to produce gas and oil along with many uses for hydrocarbons. I have no appologies for enjoying the fruits of our labors.

BTW, have you considered helping Nancy? Her leg is wrapped with an ace bandage and she could use some help.

NANCY PELOSI SEES NO NEED FOR OIL.
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99jneill7854(6 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

gtx66:

Whenever you use the internet you leave a footprint called an IP address. A seasoned hacker can use that to collect the physical address of where the computer is located. With the physical address one could obtain the account holders name; make, model, license plate number of their vehicle, place of employment and vast amounts of public information that is out there. Joe the hacker could then come back to places like these blogs and post the information outing all of those people posting lies and untruths. That would not be good for those of you posting from work.

Although the above is possible it is also a scare tactic. This are the types of methods the GOP has resorted to so gullible people like you will vote for McCain. Please check your facts. Go to places like factcheck.org and get the truth before you believe everything you read and stop posting Rush and Fox News garbage.

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100andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Wednesday, October 22, 2008
Obama And Klonsky

Andrew McCarthy on yet another of Obama's communist links-

Here’s what you need to know. Klonsky is an unabashed communist whose current mission is to spread Marxist ideology in the American classroom. Obama funded him to the tune of nearly $2 million. Obama, moreover, gave Klonsky a broad platform to broadcast his ideas: a “social justice” blog on the official Obama campaign website.

To be clear, as it seems always necessary to repeat when Obamaniacs, in their best Saul Alinsky tradition, shout down the opposition: This is not about guilt by association. The issue is not that Obama knows Klonsky … or Ayers … or Dohrn … or Wright … or Rashid Khalidi …

The issue is that Obama promoted and collaborated with these anti-American radicals. The issue is that he shared their ideology.

And that's the point really, isn't it? It's no accident that Barack Obama has spent his entire adult life in the company of some of the most radical people in the US.

As Klonsky has explained, “My own support for Obama is … a recognition that the Obama campaign has become a rallying point for young activists and offers hope for rebuilding the civil rights and antiwar coalitions that have potential to become a real critical force in society.”

So get ready for Klonsky’s “social justice.” It’s what Barack Obama calls “change.”

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101cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

andersonathan:

Thank you so much for the warning about Klonsky. That maniac. That next to last statement where he believes in civil rights and peace, well it just gave me chills. He has got to be stopped.

Obama 08!

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102clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

All I can hear in my head is the Rev. Wright saying God D America, all the while his flock is sitting there clapping and listening, for 20 years.Including his favorite son, who never heard a thing.......if this is what you want, go for it. Be careful what you wish for.

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103ldchian(56 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

claylor: listen a little deeper in your head and see if you can hear sarah palin's minister denouncing witchcraft, faith healing someone or speaking in tongues.

reverend wright isn't running for president and any ohioan (especially a white male) who is voting for mccain, after hearing his "economic plan", is either crazy or racist.

we've lost 200,000 jobs since 2000. haven't you seen enough?

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104cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

clayor:

The reason Rev. Wright is the only thing you hear in your head is because of the echo!

I crack myself up!

Obama 08!

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105kandinsky(5 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Bill Clinton urged voters to consider Four Points in choosing a President:

* Philosophy - Obama's organizing philosophy is that America works from the ground up, not from the top down.

* Policy - Obama's policy ideas on the economy, education, health care, and energy are right for America now.

* Decision - Obama has demonstrated superior decision-making skills, e.g., his choice of Biden for VP, and his careful informed response to the financial crisis.

* Execution - In organizing and conducting an historically successful election campaign, Obama has demonstrated key talents as an executive.

... Clinton asked people to present these four ideas to voters until Election Day.

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106Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

RIGHT ON !

"A few days ago at the urging of Sean Hannity, Frank Luntz asked a polling group at a Democratic debate to name one of Senator Obama's accomplishments. A whole section was polled and no one could name a single feat. It didn't matter to them, they liked him."

Obama has accomplished diddly as a Senator but many now think that he will do great things as a President. Isn't this the way sheep in a cult follow their leader.?

OBAMA FOLLOWERS, LISTEN TO YOUR LEADER !
http://images.cafepress.com/product/2...

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107cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

stan the man unusual:

Name one of McSames accomplishments. WITHOUT looking something up.

Naming Sarah McScary as a running mate doesn't count, that helped Obama.

Obama 08!

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108clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Bill Clinton is an idiot, he did crap for this valley after he promised much, why would anyone put faith in anything he says? As for the Rev. Wright in comparison to Palin's minister, I think whatever his/her message about witchcraft or whatever, (of which I never heard), is benign as compared to denouncing your country......you guys are happy with God D America, is that what you think of your country too? Obama obviously didn't think much of those statements either. If he didn't then, he doesn't now. Maybe you should get a subscription to the Communist Manifesto. You know, just to brush up so you can be prepared.

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109Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Cambridge:

GI benefits for our troops for one.

Obama the cult leader has done nothing for me but I do look forward to his taxing the crap out of me and everyone else who earns a paycheck. Look for Barack to enhace benefits to the nonproductive sector that will cause the Mexican Drug trade to flourish.

AMERICA WILL BE GOING DOWN THE TOILET !
http://www.falboart.com/Originals/ima...

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110andersonathan(675 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

This was sent in by a reader, so I thought I would share it with you:

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign the read
“Vote Obama, I need the money.” I laughed. Once in the restaurant my
server was wearing a “Obama 08′ tie, again I laughed–just imagine the
coincidence.
When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him
that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood
there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his
tip to someone who I deemed more in need–the homeless guy outside. The
server angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server
inside as I’ve decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was
grateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I
realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but
the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even
though the actual recipient needed the money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept
than in practical application.

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111cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

stan the man unusual:

McSame voted against a veterans benefit program that Obama voted for because McSame said that the increase in benefits would discourage military personal from reenlisting.

Obama would be a better choice for veterans benefits.

Obama 08!

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112cambridge(3102 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

ysugrad99:

Bailing out Wall Street and corporate CEO's is a socialist program. Would you rather your tax dollars be spent on that and a 350 million dollar a day war for oil in Iraq or the 45 million people in America that can't afford health care?

Bush spread the wealth with his tax program that favored the top 10%. Obama's tax plan is relief for the bottom 90%. Where are your priorities?

Obama 08!

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113aztek519(29 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Someone PLEASE tell me what the democratic party has done for the Mahoning Valley? They have kept this area right where they want them. Poor and economically depressed. Afterall, if people in Youngstown had jobs and money, they might come to their senses and see that the democrats have screwed them half their lives and start voting republican. The Dems need the valley for support and are afraid of losing them.

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114Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Cambridge:

"Lee and other House liberals would like to see about $60 billion in defense spending cuts. Specifically, they want to steer money away from what they call “Cold War-era” weapons systems, such as the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Liberals have also called for cuts to the ballistic missile defense program, the F/A-22 Raptor, the V-22 Osprey and the DDG 1000 Zumwalt Class Destroyer. Obama’s campaign did not respond to a request for comment."

Obama's huge payout to the non productive sector of our population and cuts in military spending to pay for it would leave our troops in jeopardy.

Barak giving us a third world status will make our enemies very happy!

OBAMA WILL EDGE OUT CARTER AS NUMBER ONE !
http://www.mcculloughsite.net/stingra...

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115JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

The Mahoning Valley: Gary, Indiana with more intellectuals. With so many people on top of the issues its no wonder people can't wait to move there.

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116s_black(40 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Two days.

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117DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

The Supreme Court has Roundly Rejected Prior Restraint.

How do you provide your definitions of words? Is the dictionary taboo? It seems like a logical source of word meanings. Perhaps you are above that source? Do you have a definition for Petter*ss?
Make like a leaf and get out of here.

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118clayor(281 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

YSYgrad and fellow alum.......I agree with you totally, guess we got the right dictionary from the bokstore!

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119Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

LAST MINUTE MESSAGE !

HOW SHOULD YOU VOTE ?
http://ifyouhaveabrainvotemccain.com/...

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