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At cruelty pretrial, dog owner in gallery shows his disdain

Published: Fri, November 14, 2008 @ 12:10 a.m.


Steve Croley


Tom Siesto and his wife, Liz Raab with a tin containing Nitro’s ashes. The Rottweiler weighed 50 pounds when cremated; he weighed 105 pounds when taken to High Caliber K-9 in late June for obedience training. His owners said they paid more than $2,000 up front for the training and dropped him off with more than three months’ food and vitamins.

By Patricia Meade

Defendant Steve Croley must come to trial next month with a financial statement.

YOUNGSTOWN — A New York man whose dog, Nitro, starved to death at High Caliber K-9 held up a small decorative tin in municipal court and shouted, “Here’s Nitro!”

The tin contains Nitro’s ashes. The Rottweiler weighed 50 pounds when cremated; he weighed 105 pounds when taken to High Caliber K-9 in late June for obedience training. His owners said they paid more than $2,000 up front for the training and dropped him off with more than three months’ food and vitamins.

Steve Croley, who is accused of starving dogs at the Coitsville-Hubbard Road business, didn’t turn around at the outburst in the court’s gallery Thursday. He stared straight ahead during the commotion.

Judge Robert A. Douglas ordered Nitro’s owners, Tom Siesto and his wife, Liz Raab, who was crying loudly, to leave the courtroom. The judge warned those who remained to keep quiet.

Croley, 37, who resided at the business he operated, was in court for a pretrial hearing. He is charged with noxious odors, an exterior property violation and four counts of animal cruelty.

Two security guards were positioned in court out of concern that the proceeding might be disrupted. Several animal lovers who came to support Nitro’s owners cried softly but there were no further outbursts.

Judge Douglas set the trial for Dec. 18. He ordered that Croley come with a financial statement.

When taken into custody Oct. 22, Croley told a representative of Animal Charity, a humane agency on South Avenue, that he could not afford to feed the animals. Seven dead and 12 starving dogs were found at the business.

High Caliber K-9 offered kenneling, obedience and guard dog training. Since the arrest, dog owners have come forward to say they paid Croley in advance.

After court, Siesto and Raab, both 50, said they will be back for Croley’s trial. The couple lives in Queens, N.Y.

Holding the tin, Siesto said he wants to let people know how the poor animals at High Caliber K-9 suffered.

“This man did this,” Siesto said of Croley. “I’m very disappointed today. I thought this monster would have admitted what he did — he’s a coward.”

Of the dead dogs, Raab said: “We’re their voices.”

Croley was kept in a back room next to Judge Douglas’ court until the hallway cleared. Guards directed people away from the elevator, reserving it for Croley and his attorney, Heidi Hanni.

A red SUV picked Croley and Hanni up in front of the courts’ building on Boardman Street.

Croley was originally arrested on 19 counts of animal cruelty, but only four were actually filed. City Prosecutor Jay Macejko determined that the High Caliber K-9 property was illegally entered by representatives of Animal Charity, who used bolt cutters to cut a fence. The four counts relate to dogs seen before the fence was breached. The prosecutor said had he been called, he would have obtained a search warrant.



1pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

The honor and dignity that was stripped away from these precious animals has to be restored. Everyone that is in this fight is bringing it back to their them. For those that cannot speak for themselves...as Liz said "we're their voices". We must be loud, persistent and unwavering in this fight. Some would want to see this swept under the carpet, some would say...they are only animals. Others would say "get over it"...of course those are the ones that have never experienced the unconditional love of a dog.

Maybe Dec 18 we will get some answers even though the answers will not bring back Nitro or any of the others dogs that were killed. I encourage those that havent written a letter to the prosecutor and judge to do so. They have to hear the outcry, they must be convinced of the seriousness of this case. We must be heard.

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2DRDAVE1965(80 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

you would think nirto was the only dog that suffered from this article

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3msweetwood(179 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Dr. Dave: From the article:

"Seven dead and 12 starving dogs were found at the business."

"Of the dead dogs, Raab said: 'We’re their voices.' ”

While Nitro's owners were the only ones tossed out of the courtroom for making a scene, I think a reasonable read of this article and all of the ones The Vindicator has published thus far have made the magnitude of the case quite clear.

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4Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Is this all??
Is this ALL that happened to that swine at this hearing???
So this monster is free to enjoy the next month of his life still??
Geez...MAY HE ROT IN HELL. It's a damn pity he is only 37 as I would dearly love his rotting to start ASAP!!!!

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5animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I was in court yesterday and I can tell you that Liz did nothing wrong, she cried! The judge was way out of line as far as I am concerned. This article portrays them as though they did something wrong. There was no scene by Nitro's parents. The judge and prosecutor made the scene.

This article does not even mention the fact that after she cried and was screamed at to GET OUT, she APOLOGIZED and was yelled at again to GET OUT. Then and only then did Tom say here is nitro.

In this article it says Liz was crying loudly, Bullsh*t it was not louder than a cough or a sneeze. They were disrespected like I have never seen before.

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6luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I was at the hearing yesterday. Liz cried and even looked at the judge and said she was sorry and the Judge looked at her and said Get Out. Only then did Tom say here's Nitro as he held up his boy. Tom was permitted back into the court room for the remainder of the hearing. Wouldn't you have cried? Where is the compassion here? Tom and Liz are wonderful good people, law abiding citizens and passionate animal lovers. I applaud them for being the voices of not only their boy but for all of the animals involved. This article implies they acted like street thugs. I spoke to Liz in the hallway and walked with them to their car, we all left peacefully.

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7hausser(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I hope they stick the bastard in a cell and not feed him for 3 months.

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8hausser(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Why would the judge want a financial statement? Does that make it okay to starve an animal to death if you don't have the money!

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9Thea(1 comment)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

This is so disheartening to read! Unfortunately, this goes on much more than we even know! People who are cruel to animals, obviously have some serious, deep rooted, self confidence issues! I am saddened to hear this and would protest and or sign a petition for justice to be served!

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10dittodots(11 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I think it's a shame that Liz was thrown out of the courtroom. Of course she is emotional, who wouldn't be?
Her dog along with others are dead, and for no apparent reason. If Steve didn't have the money he could have asked for help, or better yet, contact the owners of the dog and ask them to come and get their dog.

Is there a petition or letter somewhere that can be signed?

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11tripodziphany(2 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I am APPALLED and absolutely DISGRACED with this article, Judge Douglass, Macejko, Croley, and importantly MY CITY of Youngstown! I was at this pretrial from 10am and it was VERY OBVIOUS to ANYone with a brain what was going on.

Here are the FACTS as to what happened starting at 11:00am on November 13th: the judge and prosecutors appointed 2 security guards for the 1115am pretrial of Steven Croley. At around 11:05am the family from NY arrived (2 women, 2 men all dressed in suits) into the courtroom. They sat down, making no noise whatsoever. At around 11:10am one of the women saw Croley and started to cry on the man's shoulder. Not even a few seconds later, the oh-so-HONORABLE Judge Douglass started to say how this was unacceptable, at the same time the women was able to muster out an apology. But still Douglass ordered her to "GET OUT". At that point one of the men got angry with the Judges orders and THEN said to Croley "here is nitro" (since they were getting kicked out anyway I am assuming). From what one of the security guards told me after the trial, the man WAS allowed back in the court and the women (WHO WAS CRYING) was NOT. If she did go back in, she would have been arrested for contempt. Let me get this straight--women cries in court after seeing her son's (dog's)murderer; if she walks back into court she gets arrested, jailed for 30 days and fined. Croley KILLS 12 or 13 dogs, starves half a dozen more, tears apart families and gets less then THAT? ?????????WHAT IS WRONG WITH OUR CITY/STATE/SOCIETY???????

I am DISGUSTED with how Judge Douglass is handling this case. To think MY TAX DOLLARS ARE PAYING FOR THIS BULLSH*T is incredible. Of course Heidi gets on the case, Croley gets a beautiful suit for court (I hear he has been going to soup kitchens)and this case gets shoved under the rug (just like her father!)

Any person with ANY brain could see and hear that the Judge, prosecutor and defense attorneys had every step of the pre-trial planned out and it was obvious that the family that traveled from NY would be kicked out of the courtroom even before the trial started. SINCE WHEN IS CRYING NOT ALLOWED IN A COURTROOM JUDGE DOUGLASS? Maybe if it was your daughter or son who was killed, maybe then you would have allowed your wife to cry in the courtroom. Of course you would have...I am DISGUSTED. I know where my next votes are NOT going...

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12JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

It's a shame people can't get this fired up about all the robbery, arson and murder going on in the area...keep playing the fiddle while the Valley burns.

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13Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

"I was in court yesterday and I can tell you that Liz did nothing wrong, she cried! The judge was way out of line as far as I am concerned. This article portrays them as though they did something wrong. There was no scene by Nitro's parents. The judge and prosecutor made the scene."

....animallover, reading between the lines this is EXACTLY what I had thought, and I am left even more disgusted with the whole situation and VERY disillusioned with this judge!!!!

And to Jefflebowski....these people you refer to, do at least get a fair trial and get the chance to speak up for themselves.
What chance do dogs get??
Is it no less murder to you, just because it is dogs and not humans??
Can you not see the horror of this act??

And if this monster Croley goes free, who's to say HE won't be the next one to be discharging his weapons and attacking human life by arson???

It won't stop at dogs, you know.

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14Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Dittodots and Thea:

There is a petition on this website: Nitro Foundation:


Please do sign it.
Please also look at the letters section and if possible, send letters to the relevant people.
It may not be too late to do this, even though this judge seems blind to human emotion.
We can still all hope and pray for him to have a change of heart and a little human compassion, before this is all over.

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15pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

When are criminals going to be treated like criminals and the victims treated like victims. It is totally disgusting the way Liz and Tom were treated. What are the judge and prosecutor afraid of???? Are the judges in Youngstown elected into office?... Maybe the citizens of this district needs to clean house and put some judges that will see that you cant dictate who can be in court and who cant just because they are emotional. Ive served on jury duty and even the defense attorney cried...she wasnt thrown out of court. Looks to me like the judge, prosecutor and defense attorney had an agenda. Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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16meralexis(9 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Not knowing that this person that was in front of me at the security desk yesterday with the ashes of Nitro, my heart goes out to them and their family. People say "it's only a pet". When you have a pet they become a part of your family. Apparently the judge has never had a pet from the sound of what took place in that court room. It's a shame that other pet owners were not their to state their claim. Even if he's not a pet owner, anyone with a heart would understand the hurt these families are going thru.

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17PoundPuppy(1 comment)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I was also at the pre-trial yesterday. As a citizen of Youngstown I was embarrassed at how Liz and Tom were treated by Judge Douglass. One of the counts Judge Douglass threw out earlier was Nitro's death. Surely he knew they would be there, ala the security guards. Maybe he couldn't deal with their response to his ruling? It was a 16 hour drive roundtrip for Liz and Tom to be at the trial. Shame on you Judge Douglass.

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18lilly214(8 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Hey does anyone know if the other 6 dog owners have come forward? Do they even know the fate of their animals. There hasn't been any mention of the other owners at all. This whole case is disgusting and I hope he has to look Liz and Tom in the eye and tell them why at his trial. Still doesn't excuse the fact of what he did. HEY STEVE I'm poor and don't have any money, but still feeding my 3 dogs!!!!

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19Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well if I were THAT poor, I would sleep on the streets and beg, if necessary. But I would have my dog with me!! and she would get decent food and water even if I had to live on scraps.
Lilly, I read somewhere else somebody's comment who has been in touch with the shelter that took the dogs, and I believe 3 were returned to their parents, one to another trainer, and one has definitely been euthanised :-(
Of the rest, I haven't heard anything.
I presume the details are not being too divulged because of the court case pending. It is already dicey as to what they will decide to convict Croley for - if anything!! :-( - and I guess those caring for the dogs are unwilling to prejudice a decision and cause it to tip the wrong way; but I too hope that by now, ALL the furparents have been traced.

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20Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

They were Steve's dogs. So, there are no other 6 Owners to come forward.

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21Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

To Tripodziphany,
How do You know about the soup kitchens in Alliance? Have You been there also?

Does the Vindicator know that the same reporter covering this story is also posting on the discussion board? I would think that it is a conflict of interest.

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22Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

The Humane Agents broke into the kennel illegally and let the news crew in also. Since they broke in illegally, they put words into Steve Croley's Mouth saying" Times were tough, I didn't have the money to feed the Dogs". He never said that, as a matter of fact He had alot of Bil-jac in His fridge. He's an animal lover.He would feed His dogs before Himself. No one is realizing that Dogs can die from things other than starvation. I guess that was overlooked.
What She forgot to post was that Her Dog Nitro was At High Caliber K9 to be evaluated whether He needed to be euthanized or could be placed with someone Who could control Him, because Tom and Liz couldn't. He had to wear a muzzle to be walked down the street. He also was banned from their neighborhood. He bit their Daughter, also Tom several times and bit Liz when She said goodbye to Him at the Kennel.


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23Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

And I suppose, Katie, that is a good enough reason for you to feel it's perfectly ok for dead dogs to be lying in the sun, rotting away under the very noses of those on the premises??

If he loved dogs, how could he bear to know that this was happening on his premises??
Is it not true that he was still living on the property?

A dog doesn't lose half his body weight, even from sudden notifiable contagious disease, in less than a few days. So WHY was this supposed "diesease" that is being implied hit these dogs, not investigated by a vet a lot sooner??

Be careful of what you say, Katie.
Your insistence that Nitro was "vicious" might give rise to speculation that Croley allowed him to die on purpose from WHATEVER cause, if he was really as unmanageable as you say.

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24pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Since Katie seems to know soooooooo much. Where is she getting her information from...Steve????????. Well we know he's one to be trusted. Or is Katie now Steve...the name katie looks good on you steve....probably fits you too. And since Katie "knows" that Nitro was supposedly uncontrollable by Liz and Tom, could it be possible that the great Steve couldnt control him either?????? and his pride was hurt so he let Nitro starve to death and blame it on an illness.

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25gistol(72 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Mr. Lebowski,
I hate ANY violent crime, including arson, murder, robbery AND animal cruelty. It may help you as a detective to know that animal cruelty is an FBI profiling tool for suspects of these violent crimes you mentioned - check it out. Check into some cases of these kids that blow up schools, check battered women's shelters - where in 80% of cases where the husband or boyfriend who abuses his girlfriend/spouse, he has also killed or tortured their family pet.

The YPD Detectives could learn a lot by not being so closed-minded about animal abuse. It is real and it is a foreshadowing of other violent behaviors. So please do not assume people who are animal lovers do not hate other crimes.

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26gistol(72 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago


Unfortunately I saw the pics and the skin on these poor dogs was stretched over their bones. They were starved, "Katie". If the Bil-Jac was in the fridge - why not feed it to the dogs? In addition, they were living in their own waste. We are not stupid. Photos do not lie.

So if words were put in Croley's mouth, then what is the truth? What are the 'other' reasons allllllll those dogs died? If they were sick, he could have called their owners? Why didn't he? If the dogs were not eating all this Bil-Jac he had, then why didn't he notice that they were all half the size than they were when he took them under his 'care'? What is your version of the "truth"?

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27JeffS(5 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

You folks in Youngstown need a new Municipal judge . Remember this when the next election rolls around .

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28JeffS(5 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Let's get the law straight on this one Katie(Steve) . IF the four counts are valid(not an illegal search) then what the officers saw "in plain view" to make those charges gave probable cause to enter . No doubt about it .The problem seems to be the case is in municipal court . Not sure about jurisdiction in Ohio , but are these also the "traffic" courts ?

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29JeffS(5 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

One more thing Katie(Steve)or the other aliases you are using to post threatening messages in other places , it is irrelevant (not saying you are acurate or not)what the dog's temperament was . They have a human "pink" injection for dogs that even "trainers" can't fix . Starving to death as a training tool? Good job .

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30lilly214(8 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Hey Katie I think you should just stop now because you see you don't stand a chance of defending this useless piece of crap that you keep defending. You need to give up now and find something else to do. People that defend animal abusers are just as useless as the ones commiting the act itself. You need to go away now!!!!!!

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31JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

gistol, thanks. Seriously. I'm sure all those posting on the 15 threads related to this are only doing so because of the "facts" you point out. The fact that it only took two days for someone to issue even a half-baked response only further demonstrates my point. Keep trying -- I most likely won't be back to read what you come up with but by all means...

So...if the judge had pets he would be more apt to tolerate outbursts in the court? Because these people drove a long way they should be allowed to have outbursts in the court? Those who insist truth in these assertions need to keep trying, as well.

Let the guy have his day in court and trust that justice will be served. No one is bringing these animals back -- it's a harsh reality but a reality nonetheless. With everything else going on in the world it isn't all that shocking to me that things like this happen; what would be shocking is if this guy gets away with it.

Until that happens let's all just take it easy, man. Other than to gnaw off a child's face or sniff one another's as*es isn't that what the dogs would have wanted?

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32JeffS(5 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Lebowski ,

That last sentence was ridiculous . Pointless .

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33gistol(72 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well Mr. Lebowski, I am sure with the level of arrogance you hold that you are reading my comment. I would like to know what point you are trying to make? Your initial statement complains of dog lovers not caring about other violent crimes, now you speak of dog's sniffing _____? Your points aren't making sense. The only point that is clear is that you seem to have a disrespect for any animal lover. I hope in other cases you work on that you choose to have an open mind and actually try some investigative detective work. One's personal opinion or dislike should not interfere with a public position like yours. Your personal prejudices and ignorance should be put aside while investigating for truth and stats.

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34JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

You were right, I couldn't stay away and am very glad to help end your confusion (as much as possible, at least). My personal opinion is all I have posted here; I do not hold a public position. Did you think I was a cop? THAT is outrageous. Seriously. A detective? Not even close, I'm just an astronaut with an opinion.

Guilty as charged with regard to the inability to emphasize with any arguments here from "animal lovers" who seem to think that their rights under law are different from anyone else's where proper courtroom behavior is concerned. Again back to my original point, this much passion about some of the more pressing issues in society (of which there are MANY) might yield some important results.

I hope justice is served this person and given what has been learned have every confidence that it will be...just take it easy, man. Don't upset the dogs!

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35gistol(72 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well Jeff, I knew you'd be back. I wasn't commenting earlier on the courtroom scenario. I wasn't there and I don't like to voice opinions until I know facts. My initial purpose for posting was to show my support to all these families who lost their pet to this slug.

I am not trying to force you to be an animal activist or even an animal lover. I get that some people just don't feel that way. I don't undertand it, but I accept it. I am, although, extremely against any animal abuse. As an animal lover, I know that animals have feelings and feel love just as strongly as they feel pain and torture. I don't want to get in a big debate on that, but I know that to be true.

The point I was trying to make is for those that are not animal lovers. You too should be just as concerned about Croley's judicial outcome. It is proven that those who commit those other heinous crimes you named (murder, arson, robbery) are very, very likely to have animal abuse in their history. Check any of those kids who conducted school massacres, Manson, Jeffrey Dauhmer, and countless other mass murderers... they all have history of animal abuse. With that in mind, is why I feel that non-animal lovers should want this criminal nipped in the bud before another serious crime is committed.

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36XFilesX(77 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I ALMOST had my dog trained by this guy. Some devine intervention prevented the scenario from ever occuring. He never was home when I got there, never returned calls, always left voice mail, etc. I got nervous and backed out quickly. THANK GOD for that! I can't believe how this has turned out. He is truly a disgusting individual. I can't say "man" because a real man would have never done this and I can't say "human being" because what kind of a human being would do this? He is a monster, plain and simple. It is a shame that monsters live amongst us daily and we never see them until it's too late. Not being a bible thumper, but believing in a higher power, I sometimes wonder if these are not the end of times. Scary.

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37ads(109 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

First off lets not all forget why we are commenting, we are commenting to be the voices for those who can not speak for themselves.
For Katie's comments, so even if it's true they HAD an aggressive dog, so what, they sent him for training not to be murdered by starvation, the idiot should have used "all that Biljac" he had to feed these animals. I have an aggressive dog, I've had him for 12 years should I send him to Croley for him to torture him. No we take precautions and yes he wears a muzzle too but he IS a beloved part of our family. I have an aggressive family member, what should we do with them?? Please! Save the crap!
And Mr lebowski you sure are showing just how simple a man you are. How ignorant can one be? No one thinks animal lovers rights are any different, what we do think is the law should be upheld to the fullest, any concerned citzen can seize an animal in need, that's what the one agent and citzen did. Croley is getting a free pass to murder, hey maybe he spent all his money paying off the judge and prosecutor! It's a shame the family was thrown out of court, never knew human nature (crying) was a crime in the USA. This man better pay for all 19 counts.. Y-town needs to be known for something other than corruption and a murder capital, oh and simpletons like mr Lebowski.

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38JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I don't live in Youngstown, I live in simplicity elsewhere. I am, however, the voice of my pet ferret...he is aggressive but he's a part of our family. Once you get past the hissing and the foaming-at-the-mouth routine he's a very loyal pet. The neighborhood kids love him.

I'm also not the one invoking baseless conspiracy theories about bribery.

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39DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Let us read the facts correctly. All 19 counts cannot be enforced and several were dropped becasue of illegal and stupid entry. Instead of attempting to be activists and getting the media involved the group should have called the police first and had them bust the lock. They took the law into their own hands and eventually hurt the state's case.
The judge needs to see the financial statements of the kennel becasue they affect the case and his defense. It is how courts work. Evidence is helpful.
No one said crying was a crime, the woman was not arrested, she was asked to leave. Right or wrong it is the judge's discretion.
This case has not been adjudicated, so we don't know what the final verdict is.
Maybe the defendant can sue some of you for libel in stating that he paid off the judge and prosecutor.

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40luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

It' Just a Dog

From time to time people tell me, "Lighten up, it's just a dog," or, "That's a lot of money for just a dog." They don't understand the distance traveled, the time spent or the costs involved for "just a dog."

Some of my proudest moments have come about with "just a dog."

Many hours have passed and my only company was "just a dog," but I did not once feel slighted.

Some of my saddest moments have been brought about by "just a dog," and, in those days of darkness, the gentle touch of "just a dog" gave me comfort and reason to overcome the day.

If you, too, think it's "just a dog," then you will probably understand phases like "just a friend," "just a sunrise," or "just a promise."

"Just a dog" brings into my life the very essence of friendship, trust, and pure unbridled joy.

"Just a dog" brings out the compassion and patience that makes me a better person.

Because of "just a dog" I will rise early, take long walks and look longingly to the future.

So for me, and folks like me, it's not "just a dog" but an embodiment of all the hopes and dreams of the future, the fond memories of the past and the pure joy of the moment.

"Just a dog" brings out what's good in me and diverts my thoughts away from myself and the worries of the day.

I hope that someday they can understand that it's not "just a dog" but the thing that gives me humanity and keeps me from being "just a human."

So the next time you hear the phrase "just a dog." just smile....because they "just don't understand."

- Anonymous

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41Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

That's one of the most beautiful readings around.
Thank you for posting that.
I only hope it doesn't fall on deaf ears but maybe will bring out just a little spark of humanity in those who have hearts of stone.

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42clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Beautiful.....for anyone who has ever had a dog for a "friend", you hurt when you read this story.Something nobody mentioned, since the dogs weren't fed and this "poor" guy was eating at soup kitchens, what did he do with the money he was paid up front? And for the judge who seems to think he did nothing wrong, they both should be put in a cage and not fed, you know, just to get a feel for the situation. My dog is sitting next to me in a tin as I write, not because I starved him, but because he was such a good friend and companion, that when he died I could not bear to part with him, he will be with me in that tin until I die,and then we will be in a tin together. I feel the pain of those people from NY, too bad a judge has such poor judgement. OR, could $ signs be involved?? This is Y-Town, you know.

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43hausser(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I would like to know if PETA is or is planning to get involved with this case. Hopefully there will be 12 animal lovers on the jury. And hopefully the financial records will be public record so some of the families involved can get some sort of civil satisfaction. People like this guy and Micheal Vick make me sick!

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44grkfire(52 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I hope you people keep writing and inferring the judge and prosecutor were paid off. Maybe you should look up libel and see what it means. It's very easy to get a poster's IP address and find out who it is. It has been been before on this message board. And I know for a fact those who you are speaking of check this message board. I think it will be great when the people you speak of sue you for your ridiculous words.

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45XFilesX(77 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

PETA has been notified. All the facts have been e-mailed to them and it has been assigned a case worker.

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46hausser(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Good, now maybe the ACLU should get after the sue-happy morons on this board that are threatening our Freedom of Speech.

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47animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Your right voiceoftheanimals - Isn't anyone worried about the animals? Isn't anyone worried he could do this again, maybe next time to someone you love? Maybe then you wouldn't be defending him and talking about suing people for speaking their minds. We are entitled to the first amendment. What only criminals are entitled to rights..

Speak up for the animals that suffered so. Pictures speak a thousand words and do not lie.

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48ads(109 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Wouldn't it just ice the cake, we the people speaking out and voicing our 1st ammendment concerning justice for the dead animals be the ones sued. That's justice alright!

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49animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Somethings to think about....

Many studies in psychology, sociology, and criminology during the last 25 years have demonstrated that violent offenders frequently have childhood and adolescent histories of serious and repeated animal cruelty. The FBI has recognized the connection since the 1970s, when its analysis of the lives of serial killers suggested that most had killed or tortured animals as children. Other research has shown consistent patterns of animal cruelty among perpetrators of more common forms of violence, including child abuse, spouse abuse, and elder abuse. In fact, the American Psychiatric Association considers animal cruelty one of the diagnostic criteria of conduct disorder.

Animal cruelty, like any other form of violence, is often committed by a person who feels powerless, unnoticed, and under the control of others. The motive may be to shock, threaten, intimidate, or offend others or to demonstrate rejection of society's rules. Some who are cruel to animals copy things they have seen or that have been done to them. Others see harming an animal as a safe way to get revenge on someone who cares about that animal.

Patrick Sherrill, who killed 14 coworkers at a post office and then shot himself, had a history of stealing local pets and allowing his own dog to attack and mutilate them.

Brenda Spencer, who opened fire at a San Diego school, killing two children and injuring nine others, had repeatedly abused cats and dogs, often by setting their tails on fire.

More recently, high school killers such as 15-year-old Kip Kinkel in Springfield, Ore., and Luke Woodham, 16, in Pearl, Miss., tortured animals before embarking on shooting sprees. Columbine High School students Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who shot and killed 12 classmates before turning their guns on themselves, bragged about mutilating animals to their friends.


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50DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

How can you send PETA all the facts? The facts have not been found yet. That is what the trial is for. May as well make up your own facts though and circumvent the legal system. May as well get PETA so they can threaten people's lives and throw paint on innocent people, because they are above the law.
Everyday I see something more stupid than the day before in this society. Too many morons walking around.

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51Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I agree with Dr. Gonzo. those Pita people are nuts. They think they can make a point by being violent. If PETA does get involved before the trial, that organization needs to shut down.

Animal Lover, YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!How dare You accuse Steve of being violent, when You don't even know Him( I know You don't know Him, or You wouldn't be saying that). How dare You compare Him to the sick minded Criminals that You posted about, and how dare You assume that Steve is guilty before His trial.

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52dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

PETA are a bunch of jacks who try to push their views on everyone else. They hate everyone and anyone who wears fur, to leather, to even eating meat. They need to realize animals eat other animals, they eat plants, and drink water, just like most human. It is all part of the circle of life!

I do feel bad for the all the dogs, no animals deserves to go through what they have been through. i do feel for the owners who trusted this guy. The only thing I do not get is why none of these owners, of course hard to do if you live out of state, did not stop by or have someone stop by to check on their dog. I know when ever we had to put any dog into a place like that, we had someone stop by and check on our pet, our family mamber. The people would invite them in, let them see our dog and even play and take him for a walk. The fault does fall on this guy, but I think that some type of check up on their pet, their family member should have also been in place.

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53ads(109 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

It is obvious that thousands are thinking of the dogs who died and suffered, take a look at the 1786 people who signed the petition.

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54DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

All I was stating is that the facts have not been found yet. That is why we have trials for criminal and civil actions. How can someone say they ahve sent PETA the facts when they do not exist yet.
At what point did I say anything about the dogs? I cannot see where I mentioned them or the fact that they cannot represent themselves. I like dogs.
I think, however, that so many of you relate to dogs because you have the same mental capacity as they do. You must be bale to understand each other.
Anyone who claims that I am a creep and abused animals myself because I questioned certain legal nomrs either cannot read, is nuts, or both.
If you believe PETA is right in making death threats and throwing paint on people because the animals cannot, etc. I wish you would have been included in more social activities as an adolescent. Again, I am not justifying the acts against animals, but the recations are not within the realm of cognizance either.
If that guy locked me in a cage I can assure you PETA would not save me.


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55grkfire(52 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Arlia, Hausser, and anyone else speaking of the first amendment.
Maybe you people should actually READ the first amendment. Yes everyone has a right to freedom of speech. However, certain types of speech are not protected. Libel is one. It amazes me how ignorant some people are. You think you can make accusations that the judge and prosecutor are paid off, then turn around and think that is your right. wow. well you are wrong. Saying a prosecutor and judge are paid off is probably the most defamatory thing you can say. Those are prestigious and highly respected positions. More respected and prestigious than any of you posting that nonsense. They are doing their jobs correctly and according to the LAW. Saying they are being paid off is defamatory and idiotic. I know them both well and I know they are both very fair and do their jobs very well. So keep on posting that libel, but dont be surprised when you find yourself involved in a lawsuit.

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56Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Read the fourth amendment also.

I'm hearing that there are threats on Steve's life. What violent idiots these People are.

I know that dogs are more intelligent than any of them.


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57hausser(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

well gkfire, while I'm polishing up on the first amendment, maybe you should read all of my posts. In no way did I question the integrity of the judge or the prosecutor. I question your integrity because you seem like a slimeball who is just looking for someone to sue. I guess the economy is rough on crappy lawyers too. Go crawl back under a rock.

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58grkfire(52 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

well hauss, i tell u what. the economy is great for me, because bums like you keep the money coming in. By the way, id take their case for free. keep on reading the first amendment, i doubt that you will comprehend it anytime soon.

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59luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

clayor I'm so very, very sorry for your loss. It's so sad and heart breaking to lose one we love so much. As you said, it's hard enough to love one from old age and even more tragic for their lives to be taken so young by a human.

We as a community cannot allow animal cruelty to continue nor for criminals to not be held accountable for their actions. This is our community and we need to enforce laws, improve the laws and put a stop to all of this cruel and inhumane treatment of animals. We need to remember that animals can't dial 911, only we can.

Each morning I wake up thinking of these poor animals and how they suffered so. Every night I pray for them and for their owners. How oh how could anyone do this to a precious loving breathing animal? how?

If we do nothing - nothing ever changes.

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60Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Who wants 60% of going after Matt Akenhead and Steve's Wife Donna? They robbed Him while He was Jail. They stole all His Personal belongings out of His House and either kept it or threw it in one of the 2 commercial size dumpsters that were in His driveway. This includes every piece of clothing except what was on His back. Family heirlooms, Every piece of furniture, all His tools that were His deceased Fathers, His riding lawn mower, His vehicle, all His paper work from His business, EIN number, a box of mail from His porch, the only copy of a book that His Father wrote, a stamp collection that He put together with His Father when He was a Child, that House was cleaned out.

He lost His Dogs and everything He owns and all You idiots can think of is guilty until proven innocent.


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61XFilesX(77 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie, your post was not clear. Are you saying someone named Matt & Steve's wife Donna robbed him? The first sentence made no sense. What is 60%?

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62Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

For all You bashing dumb *ss People that want to see Steve die, and don't have enough guts to say Your real names....Your believing some F***ing Humane Agents word about the Dogs being Starved to death and it couldn't be anything else. A word of advice, know who His Attorney is and believe that they will be tracing these posts from Your server to find Your home address (didn't know it was possible, did You?)

If You think this is Steve, you're sadly mistaken. He has true Friends out there who would cut their right arm off for Him. I'm one of them.

Even if He is guilty, God forgives. Shame on You Matt Akenhead from Signature K9 and Donna Croley that lives on Glenmorgan in Alliance and works at Berry Cheese in Louisville, Ohio.

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63pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Even if what you say about all of his belongings being stolen, its pretty much irrelevant to this case. If there was no suspicion of wrong doing he wouldnt of been in jail in the first place. Maybe you should start a new thread about it some place else. I personally dont want to hear it. The main focus point is the fact that there are dogs that are dead and families suffering because of it. You can throw everything else into the mix if you want but the fact remains those precious lives are lost to us forever in this life.

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64clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

The point is, dogs are dead, thru no fault of their own, or their owners who assumed they would be in good care. As far as this guy goes, and his "stuff", maybe it is true..what goes around, comes around and this time it came faster than was anticipated. The dogs need a voice, and the majority of us are "barking" out for them. And thank you Luvs and X, your comments are deeply apreciated.

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65mb300sd(2 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Actually, I would love to see this person convicted of murder of animals that could not defend themselves. Also it may be appropriate to charge him with endangerment since maybe the animals that were held as prisoners by him would have been able to save themeselves if they would have been released to be able to hunt for food and water. All he had to do was open the cages and many could have lived. but this particular piece of pond scum would not have been able to collect the fees from the owners.
Nothing is going to happen to this sociopath. Maybe a $20 fine and an admonishment to not house any dogs in the future. No cop will ever go by his house to make sure that he complies. My nightmares about this will never end. I guess I just have to get used to it. Thanks Youngstown.

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66clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Oh and Katie, you should have facts to back up your accusations,and you also should get a pet, only then will you know of what we speak. A stud bunny, dog killer does not qualify as a pet,even though you obviously think he does.

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67Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

By 60%, I mean contingency. The robbery has nothing to do with the case at hand.

I have the facts, Tom, and I have plenty of non-human pets.

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68gistol(72 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie can you explain the photos and how these dogs died? Also, to threaten everyobdy on this board and post people's addresses and work place is very childish. You made the comment that people on here don't have the guts to use their real name, so what is your real full name?
You mentioned before there was tons of Bil-Jac in the fridge and words are being put in Croley's mouth that 'times were tough'. So if words were put in Croley's mouth, then what is the truth? What are the 'other' reasons allllllll those dogs died? If they were sick, he could have called their owners? Why didn't he? If the dogs were not eating all this Bil-Jac he had, then why didn't he notice that they were all half the size than they were when he took them under his 'care'? What is your version of the "truth"? The photos were so hard to look at, skin stretched over the bodies of these dogs. Can you explain that? I am just trying to figure out what could cause that since you say there was plenty of food and the dogs were given great care. Why did they look like that/

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69Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

gistol...one of the dogs that died was a Rottweiller that was there to be euthanized or placed somewhere else. The other 6 that died were Steve's. Why would He starve His own dogs?

It's OK for none of You to use Your real full name, But You can repeatedly convict Steve Croley from High Caliber K9 at 1516 Coitsville-Hubbard Road of definitely starving dogs.

My real name is Betty Lou and I run the soup kitchen in Alliance, Ohio.

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70Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Hey, how about any of You Take 60% of the Humane society breaking onto Steve's property illegally and parading Channel 27 News around to Video tape His property. None of that was done legally. No matter what, I don't think the Judge and Prosecutor will charge Him with more than was legally obtained. That's the Law and We vote these Officials in to uphold the Law. All of You need to remember that when it is time to Vote.

Now, the point I am trying to make is about all the ways that Steve was wronged after all of this happened. Some People are going to be in alot of trouble for theft, illegal entry, defamation of character, Libel, etc.


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71dmets(575 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

"What about the dogs did they have their rights to the 1st or 4th amendment?"

I hope you do understand those amendments were writen for the people. They did not take animals into consideration. Animals do have the right to be treated with respect, love, and care. But they do not have the same rights as humans. You people want im killed for what he did. There are people who kill other people and do not get sentenced to death. I do beleive he needs jail time, and some major counciling.

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72ads(109 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Why are you people personally attacking each other? This isn't about you it's about the animals.
This case is what it is, he was entrusted to care for the animals and he allowed them to die.

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73animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie, Betty Lou, Steve, Cattledog whatever name you feel like going by today,

what about the pictures? Pictures do not lie.

What about the dogs lying in feces- if they were sick why didn't he pick up the feces????????

What about the rotted bodies?

What about the rottweiler that weighed only 50 pounds when he was found dead!? How do you lose 50 pounds???? That does not happen in a day or a week or even 2 weeks.

You ask Why would he starve his own dogs? I ask why didn't he take them to a vet "if they were sick"??

Why didnt he call the owners?

One more thing - so because the Rottweiller "was there to be euthanized or placed somewhere else" meant it was ok to let it die? And from everything I know about the Rottweiler, let's use his name, Nitro his family loved him very much.

The other 6 dogs were yours? Didn't you operate a kennel and boarding facility? I doubt they were yours, just another lame excuse.

You have got to be kidding me!!

If a person you loved was murdered would you care about innocent until proven guilty? I seriously doubt that.

Now let's get back to the poor dogs that Steve was being paid to take care of them.

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74animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie HOW DARE I? HOW DARE HE. I know enough and I was just posting facts about animal cruelty.

Again If a person you loved was murdered would you care about innocent until proven guilty? I seriously doubt that.

Animal Lover, YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!!!How dare You accuse Steve of being violent, when You don't even know Him( I know You don't know Him, or You wouldn't be saying that). How dare You compare Him to the sick minded Criminals that You posted about, and how dare You assume that Steve is guilty before His trial.

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75animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

And Katie, instead of throwing to us more useless cr*p - why dont you start answering the questions people are asking you.

Let's not get off the matter at hand here and forget about the dogs. nice try.

Oh and I dont care what his wife and friend did after the fact, take that up with them somewhere else.

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76XFilesX(77 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie, I thought you said you posted "C" at the end of your posts because your first name began with "C"? Now your name is "Betty Lou"? Thank makes no sense. And you posting Matt and Donna's names, addresses, places of employment and "supposed" transgressions here on the board is LIBEL - An untruthful statement about a person, published in writing or through broadcast media, that injures the person's reputation or standing in the community. Because libel is a tort (a civil wrong), the injured person can bring a lawsuit against the person who made the false statement. Libel is a form of defamation , as is slander (an untruthful statement that is spoken, but not published in writing or broadcast through the media).

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77standup4ytown(20 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Can't someone report this "Katie, Betty Lou" idiot?!?!?. Posting threats (ie: lawyer will trace posts by your server and find out who you are), giving names and addresses of people is uncalled for.
God Bless these families who are grieving for their lost animals. This man is a pig who deserves equal punishment for his crime.

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78Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

"Katie", you make me sick!!!
You list ALL the material possessions that Steve has supposedly lost.

Don't you give a damn about LIVES???
Warm, breathing furry beings, loving little souls who asked only for food and water and love, not for furniture, lawnmowers, clothes, books, stamp collections...

How in Heaven's Name can these things be more precious that the life of a living, breathing creature????

YOU ARE NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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79petlover(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Get a Clue Betty-Lou,

Ok let me see if I get this right.
You run the soup kitchen in Alliance.
That would lead most to believe that the Soup Kitchen is where you met Mr. Croley..no, he doesn't deserve that much respect... steve
Which would also be after the incident at High Caliber K9, correct?
That would lead most of us to believe also that your vast wealth of knowledge of what happened to poor steve and your knowledge that he is being wrongly convicted on this board came from ....hmm, none other than steve.
Let me help enlighten you betty-lou.
It's not about steve and what's been done to him, it's about the dogs betty-lou.
Lest you think that you are dealing with a bunch of people that are just picking on this man betty-lou let me enlighten you.
Most of us are people that know this man personally betty-lou.
We boarded our dogs with him betty-lou and we gave him money for it.
We trained with him betty-lou and we gave him money for it.
We bought supplies and dog food from him betty-lou and we gave him money for it.
Some bought dogs from him and gave him money for it betty-lou, remember Devil or Devon as he's supposedly known now.
He got paid over $6,000 for him TWICE betty-lou.
I know of some that gave him money just to help him out b/c he needed money betty-lou.
We're here and we were personally involved with this man betty-lou.
You know what steve's told you betty-lou but let me tell you something betty-lou one picture is worth a thousand words. Open your eyes and look at the pictures. Sick or not they should have at least been buried. ESPECIALLY if they were sick.
They were left to lay with their flesh rotted off of their bones.
The "sick" ones that went to Animal Charities recovered with nothing but food.
Do what steve apparently won't betty-lou get yourself some counseling because you are being taken in like so many of us were BUT you won't acknowledge the truth.
If your spending time with that man and you have children or pets, be afraid betty-lou, be afraid because they may be his next victims.

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80stuckinOH(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Some poor shmuck will open a fund on the dog's behalf and the donations will poor in. It never ceeses to amaze me the social outcry for animals. Yes, what he did was cruel and unthinkable, and he should be put in jail for it, but lest we remember these are ANIMALS. Some comments wanted to take HIS life? Are you serious?? I wonder if this blog would be so heated if GOD FORBID (and I DO mean god forbid) this were a person and not a dog.
I think I just lit a whole new fire on this blog, sorry

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81gistol(72 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Folks, the more we fall into the trap katie and friends are setting up, the lower we fall to their level. The rude comments are going to continue if we let them. All we will achieve is high blood pressure trying to convince some clueless people the magnitude of this crime. We all know this is one if the most heinous crimes committed. We all know that those who torture and kill dogs and other defenseless animals are extremely likely to commit the same offenses or greater to humans. We all know that the FBI uses animal abuse as a profiling trait for suspects of other violent crimes as they go hand-in-hand.

Bottom line is that some people will still defend Croley's actions and say we are nuts until Croley's next offense. So, let's all save ourselves from more aggrivation as it is fueling their fire. We are better off continuing to write the judge, the prosecutor and lawmakers to ensure he is prosecuted and to get stronger laws on the books for future criminals that think 'it's just a dog'.

Let's bite our tongues and stop giving them the satisfaction that their words mean a thing.

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82Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

There are many such blogs the world over that have been started following the death of a child.

Google "Baby P" and I am sure you will find equally long blogs on this little baby who was murdered by his adults and who was failed by Social Services and the Police.

ANY injustice, any murder of INNOCENT living creatures, human or otherwise, who cannot speak for themselves and who die in appalling circumstances, gives rise to a great outcry.

Only difference is - the adults from Baby P's life are going to go to jail for 12 years for breaking his back and doing other unspeakable atrocities to him.

Do you think this cretin we are discussing here, will receive the same punishment for starving 7 furchildren to death???

And for what it's worth, I do agree with Gistol.
And I would put it to you that "Katie" is yet another Troll (we have seen a few here already, or maybe all the same one under different aliases) who knows NOTHING of the incident and has probably randomly googled this news item.
She/he is ONLY here to have a good laugh over all the discussion/arguing being provoked.

Trolls delight in stirring and in firing-up people.
Just to see how upset or angry they can make these people. Then they sit back and have a good laugh over what is happening.

Trolls are the active equivalent of a Hacker in that they are morons with nothing better to do than to prey on vulnerable people for their own amusement and entertainment.

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83reggie(30 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

i feel people who do this should be put into a cell with limited food and water also.but no , not in America. thats why in other countries if u steal a hand is removed , and so on and so on. so give people a feel of what they have done and just maybe , others will think twice. we are by far to easy on criminals. i believe if they get a harsher punishment, they would not become career criminals. even in our prisons , they are not tough enough. look at cassy anthony, she watches t.v orders fresh catch of the day, has lotions and hair products, cookies , candy and is not hurting abit. if i were homeless i would consider doing a crime to make sure i get 3 months , especially in the winter. a warm bed and food. these people need more then the min. or a slap on the wrist. even people on death row are sitting there for 10 years or more, while us tax payers take care of them. something is wrong with the big picture!

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84luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I'm having a hard time sleeping tonight, this has haunted me since it happened and one of my dogs, a precious family member just came to me when she saw me sitting at the computer. I looked into her eyes as I pet her head and I can't help to wonder - how could anyone, any human do such a thing to God's beautiful animals? how, how, how? why? why? why? How could anyone be this cruel? How could our laws permit such a person to live amongst us? Who will protect animals? Hasn't this person caused enough pain, suffering and grief for the victims, their owners and yes for all of us? Who will protect our children? Who will protect us? How could this individual commit such cruel and inhumane acts against God's beautiful animals? and YES what is this individual capable of next?

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85clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Luvs, I think any of us who know "the pattern" , know what this person is capable of next, just a proven fact. This person needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Putting him away, which I doubt they will do, would be a blessing for both humans and animals. As for this guy's stuff being taken and trashed, I think I would look first to his immediate circle of "friends", not to the people he has used.People who love their animals know the value of love and do NOT take from others. I have found that people who have no interest in animals also have no immediate interest in people except for their own gain and will do anything to achieve it. And those who pretend to love animals are the worst. But, in the long run, they will get repaid...best case scenario, they will come back as dogs....

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86Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Again I must say,"What happened to innocent until proven guilty?" You People on these message boards do not know the value of love, especially Liz. She's going all around the internet destroying Steve life. She has pretty much accomplished it. I feel bad that Her dog died, but She has been a ruthless B***ch. Steve has nothing but a few belongings and some really good Friends. This has taught Him who His friends are and aren't. Believe Me, there are more backstabbers in the bunch, than true Friends.

The "pattern" that Clayor is talking about is for animal abusers, which Steve is not. Steve is one of the most loyal, caring Men I have ever known. He would do anything for Me.... Donna, You never really appreciated Him, and don't know what You walked away from. Too bad, too late.


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87pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

There you go again Katie blaming everyone else for Steve's problems. He's created the life he's living now. Dont blame Liz...who btw lost Nitro. You seem to forget that fact and the harshness of it. Nitro cant come back. Steve is still living and breathing...Nitro isnt.

All of this poor poor pitiful Steve is sickning. Give it a rest. Your concern isnt for the dogs that died and those that barely survived. Once again you forget that fact. And that is a fact. DOGS ARE DEAD...WHO BY THE WAY WERE IN STEVE'S CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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88petlover(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well we'll see what Ytown does.
A Cleveland man was sentenced to six months and a full mental evaluation for kicking a puppy.

Do a Google search on "sentenced for animal abuse" and look at some of the penalities for less abuse than this.

Oh, katie/betty-lou and all you others wrapped up in one what don't you get, the photos prove "your new man" guilty.
He was living on the property and DID NOTHING regardless of the cause.
Get yourself some professional help.

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90Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Mtcarmel....since you know so much about Steve and His life and where He was and what He was doing, why don't You know if He has any Kids????

Liz wanted Nitro euthanized. That sad face is fake. Liz just wants money.

Liz, since Matt and Donna took everything out of the House, why don't You ask and see if they have the big basket muzzle that You had to walk Nitro with around the neighborhood and the boat dock.

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91luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie, Bettylou, Soup Kitchen Woman, Steve, possibly all of the above. I've watched you post your wild rants and rages, all about the loss of your lawn-mower and I've tried to just ignore you but honestly enough is enough. How could Liz want your money if you don't have any? I thought you had no money to feed the dogs, then it changed to you never said that, but then you need a court appointed attorney, then the dogs were sick, then you were depressed and in a dark place, now they should have been euthanized, isn't euthanization done by needle? what about the other 6 that died? What was their stories according to you? What did they do? Next you will be posting there weren't any dogs.

It's very obvious that you are trying to discredit everyone for your own personal gain. Duh it's not working!

This is about the dogs, you were responsible for them, you were paid and we all saw the photos.

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92clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie-Lou, you need to get a grip,,,,,now Liz wanted the dog euthanized and thats why she gave him to Steve?? Are you nuts? You are getting yourself so mixed up about this you are now making up stories! Nobody knows Matt, Donna, Tom or anyone else you are naming and nobody really cares..You don't understand, we care about the animals involved in this situation, not the people other than the owners, who were devastated by what this animal did.Sorry, I didn't mean to classify him so high, I'm sure a water buffalo has more of a heart than this low-life scum.He took the money to take care of these dogs, only HE is held responsible.

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93Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

It's a fact that Liz wanted Nitro euthanized. You can ask Donna. Donna is Steve's soon to be Exwife. She's the one who robbed Him blind when He was in jail. Matt is the property Owner/Landlord of High Caliber K9. He also owns Signature K9 in Alliance. Tom is Liz's husband.

I care about the Animals, too. You must realize that nobody cares more about those Animals than Steve. My point of the robbery story is that Steve is a human being (and a very kind one). Why don't any of You care about Human's?


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94pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

If you think Liz wanted Nitro euthanized...you have been smoking some serious weed. Since you say that is a fact..where is your evidence?????? You keep screaming about facts...lets see some proof of that so called "fact".

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95Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Where's Your evidence?

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96Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

You can ask Liz's neighbors at Her home or people at Her boat dock, how Her and Tom couldn't keep that dog under control.

I don't agree with the fact that Liz wanted Him euthanized. Nitro should have been cared for correctly since She brought Him Home as a Pup. It's a darn shame.

Liz will be up for an Academy award this year, and I bet She'll win it!


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97pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

You still havent shown any evidence. And you dont know the first thing about Liz. If you did you would sit back and shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!

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98luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I find these acts outrageous. How can a person treat any living thing in this manner and get away with it? This man knew exactly what he was doing and should be held accountable FOR EVERY DOG THAT DIED while in his "care". Lack of money is no excuse. He had options but chose not to exercise them. Instead he chose to watch animals die a slow, cruel death.

Warrantless entry search and seizures are allowable under Ohio Animal law where there is need to act immediately and to protect or preserve life. The Kennel was not used or associated with intimate activites within the home.

The justice system should be very ashamed of letting this man get away with this.

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99JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

The use of capitalization by posters to this thread is fascinating.

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100GSD(22 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I too am tortured by those poor dogs who died. What I really find unbearable is knowing that Animal Charity has destroyed poor York because they said he became aggressive. They were supposed to rescue him not destroy him. He was destroyed because they don’t know how to rehabilitate aggressive dogs. (If he was so aggressive how did they manage to put him down? I shutter to think) I haven’t heard any one show any care or concern about what is happening to them. No one seems to care about those dogs. How many more of them have been destroyed because of their lack of knowledge? Why doesn’t anyone seem to care about them?

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101GSD(22 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Had I never known Steve before seeing the pictures I would have said he is guilty. But we did know him before this happened. We bought a puppy from him and went through obedience training. We found him very nice; truthful and knowledgeable; very compassionate and caring for his dogs and ours. As a result of his knowledge and expertise in breeding and training we have a magnificent animal both in body and temperament. Everywhere we go people look and admire our dog. We have people compliment us on how well behaved our dog is. This is the Steve we came to know.

When we read the news article of his arrest we were shocked beyond belief. We could’t believe the man we came to know and respect could possibly do such a terrible thing. Then we saw the pictures. Those awful pictures. As you say pictures don’t lie. So let’s take a closer look at them. Those pictures taken illegally, and then, thanks to the poor judgment and lack of discretion on the part of the press and media now published world wide. Did the press give any thought to the pet owners who might have that image as the last memory of their pet? NO. Do the press and media care about those poor dogs and how they died? I don‘t think so. Did they ever stop and think what people may do to his home because of those pictures? I doubt they would care. They just want a story that will sell papers and improve ratings.

When I look at the pictures I am sickened. I also see a picture that is odd. You’ll have to look on the vindy site in the original story to see it. The one of the puppy looking totally wretched. What is beside the puppy is what confused me. I see a dish of food. So he was feeding them. Why would a puppy, obviously starving, refuse to eat? The only time my dog won’t eat is if it’s sick. Is it possible those dogs didn’t starve to death? Is it possible they died of something else? I know this still leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

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102GSD(22 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

How much did those pictures have to do with filling people with the anger and rage to vandalize and totally trash his home and van. That was as illegal and reprehensible as what he is accused of. Those who went to his home while he was in jail and removed his personal belongings and trashed them. That too was illegal and reprehensible. Kicking someone when they're down is cowardly and disgusting. Those who say, “He got what he deserved”. What gives you the right to be his judge and jury? What gives you the right to condemn him before he has his day in court? That is why we have judges. To make fair and impartial decisions based on facts, evidence and the law. Not on emotion or a desire for personal revenge. We don’t have the right to take the law into our own hands the way it’s been done. It isn’t for us to decide what his punishment should be. That’s up to the court. I don’t know what happened at the kennel. I do know none of us were there. None of us know what really happened. We don’t have the right to decide his guilt or innocence and we sure didn’t have the right to totally trash his life like we have.

I commend the Judge, Prosecutor & Public Defender in this case. Their job isn‘t easy. They’re to uphold the law not make it or change it. They're to defend and protect our constitutional rights. I’m glad all three of them have the courage to do their job as they were meant to be done. I am glad they're not giving in to public opinion. If they did the law would be of no effect. We would all stand in danger of losing our rights. We may not like or agree with their decisions, but they know the facts. We do not.

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103luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

gsd i am totally haunted by those photos and at first I felt the same as you, how could anyone post them? Although now I think it may be what is needed for people to see with their own eyes what animal abuse is, call 911 if they see something that needs to be reported so that this doesn't happen again. I still cannot believe that no one noticed anything unusual or smelled anything. Our laws need to be changed and unfortunately it takes a horrific case like this to get them changed. I think that all kennels should be inspected. I am also very upset about York and I pray for them all every day that they all make it and live happy wonderful lives. I'm not so sure they will as especially puppies not having sufficient nutrients may have damage which is not reversible. Puppies require such extra care. Plus who knows what else was done to them while they were there? They may have problems forever. I don't believe Animal Charities has released any information regarding the survivors, I've looked and couldn't find any.

I also did notice that photo, but what I noticed more than anything in that photo is this poor beautiful puppy, probably a new boarder, was put in a pen directly next to a deceased dog, a boarder collie I believe. I would imagine that only the new boarders were being fed as there aren't any food bowls in any of the other photos shown just empty dirty bowls. It's hard to tell from the photo if it was new food or old food, the one agent did say the food that was found was mush. Not sure if you saw the news on TV but that same puppy is in the arms of an agent kissing and happy as can be. I also noticed how dirty everything was, all the poop, no water, my heart aches so for all of them, what filth they were forced to live in. What H E double LL. I also read on vindy that another puppy was picked up by their owners, not sick at all, healthy as could be. If they were sick they should have been brought to a vet immediately, their owners notified and of course new boarders should have never been taken into the kennel. A responsible kennel owner/person/dog lover would never ever do such a thing. I doubt they died of anything else, especially young puppies would never survive.

It disturbs me deeply that we don't know the outcome of the survivors, I do wish we knew if they were ok. I pray for all of them every day and every night. I love dogs, all animals and I can't imagine anyone doing anything like this to God's beautiful animals.

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104doglover17(5 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

All I want to say is that this would of never had happenend at that kennel with the former management. For you who don't know the former management, I'm talking about Beverly and Stacey. I used this kennel before it was managed by Steve, and I will tell you this much no dogs would of died there from sickness or starvation with Beverly and Stacey running the kennel. I know for sure that if my dog was there on Sunday when Beverly made dinner the dogs in the kennel always got some too, as a special treat!! You want to talk about some caring people that would be Beverly and Stacey!! I travel a good bit and I didn't have any worries at all with Beverly and Stacey taking care of my dog!! I just wanted to post something positive to here. I feel bad for all those dogs that had died there and were starving when Animal Charities got involved. God Bless all the dogs and the owners of these dogs!!

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105bink(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

you stop giving them water they will stop eating

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106bink(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

if he is so great why did he leave the dead dogs to rott until bones were coming out? If you stop giving them water they will stop eating!!!!

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107clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Ok, I think all of us animal lovers are in agreement here, this guy needs to GO...I also think we are in the midst of a soap opera that none of us are posting here for.Matt, Donna, Katie, Huey, Dewey and Louie, nobody here CARES what happened to Steve's "stuff", get it?? We care about the animals, period.They would have care for and protected his stuff, if they had been allowed to live. Now, get off your soap box, Katie-Lou, we DON'T care. Is that clear enough?

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108Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Oh "Katie", we do care about humans! (and please spell that correctly while you are about it.)

That's why we care about Liz and Tom and the other parents of the dogs that were starved.

We DON'T give a s*** about low-life sub-humans that walk past cages of rotting innocent dogs and keep on walking.

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109XFilesX(77 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Anyone who thinks they know ANYONE is sadly mistaken. We are only who we are and we are defined by our last good deed. Plus, we don't know how anyone will act in the end. Oh we all hope we will do the right thing. But when push comes to shove, THAT is when TRUE SELF comes out. So those of you who "know Steve" don't KNOW HIM AT ALL! None of us know anyone at all. I always knew I loved animals and animal abuse and neglect always angered me. But when this case happened, it spurred me on to depths that shocked me and those who know me. First and foremost, I took food and money down to Animal Charity for the surviving animals. Then I sent copies each and every day of the local press to MSNBC, Fox News, The Humane Society, PETA, etc. Each and every day. I wanted someone other than local government to look into this. I wanted them accountable to more than themselves and our local area. I wanted them to do it right. I have always helped animals in need but this has spurred me further. I am donating money and time to animal causes and channeling my anger in a positive way to help other animals. Why animals and not people, you ask? I help people on a daily basis in my job first of all. And animals are normally abused and neglected by people through no fault of their own. They depend on us for everything. And they have no voice to call for help.

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110GEOMAR(29 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

It seeems to me that if we were as compassionate in voicing our opinions in regards to the victims of crime perpetrated by humans against one another maybe the justice system would not be as lax as it is. Personally I could give a damn about what happened here since there are obviously more important issues in the world than the insane theatrics of a few dog owners and the insanity of any animal rights group. It is obvious that the rights of animals and murderers and rapists are more important than the actual HUMAN victims. Get a grip people, the dogs are dead, life goes on and crime is still rampant.

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111XFilesX(77 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

GEOMAR, the justice system is as lax as it is because we are so compassionate to the CRIMINALS not the victims. The "poor" criminals never have to answer for what they do because they always have an excuse. ALWAYS. No father, bad father, abused child, drugs, alcohol, poor upbringing, lack of education, low IQ, pee pressure, prejudice, the list goes on and on. You see, HUMANS make CHOICES. These dogs did not. Since you have no compassion and could care less, stay out of the discussion.

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112pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

You have put animal rights in the same category as murderers and rapist. It doesnt work that way, murderers and rapists are criminals. In no way shape or form are these animals criminals. Its two totally different issues. Someone has to stand up for the animals because they dont have voices to be heard. Yes these dogs are dead and someone is responsible...lest you forget. A crime is a crime. If this man that is charged with these crimes is convicted then he will be in the same category as murderers and rapists.

I would ask have you stood up and fought for victims rights?? If you have then I commend you if not you havent a leg to stand on.

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113clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Sorry GEOMAR, you are just as incompassionate as "Katie", unless you are in fact one and the same.You don't care about these dogs? Let me tell you this.....those criminals that you are speaking of, are led to violent crimes because they never cared about animals, they ABUSED them then they went on to bigger and beter things to suit their fancy..rapist and murderers don't start out at the "top", they practice on innocent animals first ,they are the silent majority, for whom we are speaking out.Yes, the dogs are dead, you think it is unimportant, we don't. I think you should scroll back a bit and read "it is Just a dog", if you have any kind of a heart you might understand. However, I don't think it will register with you.

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114GEOMAR(29 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I am fully aware why the justice system is lax and am in no need of an education on it. You are right, I don't have any compassion when it comes to the inane theatrics of a few pet owners who are just as responsible as the kennel they placed them in. That being said I have better things to worry about then the fate of some dogs and their owners. As far as being on this board if you do not like what I have to say by all means pass it by but don't become pompous and request that somebody not write because they don't agree with your ideas. That reeks of socialism. As far as standing up for the rights of animals why don't we prosecute their owners also. I mean the dogs didn't ask to become their trophy pets just to be placed in harms way. If a person takes an animal as a pet than they should be willing to be the ones to care for it, train it and spend time with it. Unfortunately these dogs are treated like kids and were pushed off on somebody else to care for them. It is the owners responsibility to care for the animals that they brought into their home and if they don't have the time to do so then they should not even consider getting any pets. As far as victims rights are concerned I have been involved in the help and welfare of several victims of crime by either donating time or money. As far as Katie is concerned I have no idea who she is so no comment. Not all criminals are animal killers or abusers before they move on to bigger crimes. Most people that are criminals are born inherently evil and deserve to be prosecuted to the fullest extent instead of being coddled through the justice system. As far as being just a dog thats exactly what it is, but then again the children that have been murdered are 'just a child,' right?

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115Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Geomar, You and GSD, are The logical ones. I like that. The People on This board are very narrow minded and hard headed. I agree that the Owners should take responsibility. Nitro might be alive today if Liz had Him under control. She wanted Him euthanized and Steve didn't. He was willing to work with Him and find Him a home with someone who could handle Him. It's unfortunate, That He is gone, and it is not from starvation. It will all come out after Steve has had His say in Court.


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116animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie, let's go with your story that the dogs did not starve to death. Was it not your - i mean Steve's responsibly to care for the dogs? Take them to a vet maybe?! And now you agree with Geomar who has basically stated that he does not care about animals - i guess you dont either.

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117stuckinOH(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Finally a voice of reason in this. Thank you Geomar! We lose sight of the fact that these are indeed animals. Our culture has placed the animals at nearly an equal stature to that of humans. Where is the outcry in other countries when they do accepted practices such as clubbing seals, bullfighting, and yes, even dogfighting? They have no rights as directed by our constitution. Some of you want this man put to death for this neglect, while thousands of criminals who murdered PEOPLE sit in jail. Where is the parity in that decision? Suffer he should, but in a cell, not the firing squad you all want him in front of.

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118petlover(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie or whoever you are,
Just about everyone that commits a crime has an alibi.
Warped though it may be they have an explanation.
You proclaim the man's innocence but fail to have any logic as to why those dogs laid there in that state.
If he was as guilt free as you want people to believe, why didn't he tell people the truth?
Why wouldn't he let the woman that reported him initially have her dog?
Why didn't he just tell Liz the truth, that for whatever reason Nitro died of blah,blah,blah cause?
Why not vet the dogs?
Why not call the owners?
You seem to forget that the photos show dogs large and small, young and adult in starvation mode. Even the ones that lived with no help except food.
Dogs that laid in that state long enough to be stuck to cement and have the flesh rot off leaving exposed bones.
I don'think anyone wants to see the man die for this crime but walk away as if it was a driving citation?
Now katie, I think you know in your heart of hearts that this whole thing is terribly wrong and either you just enjoy the banter or your desperate for a man, this man or you need to get a brain.
Christmas is coming maybe Santa will bring you one.
It may still not be too late to de-program you.

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119Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

StuckinOH, you have evidently never heard of IFAW.

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120stuckinOH(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I see no excuse for ignoring the animals either. Put them down, call their owners, call the pound, heck turn them loose.
I am NOT Katie by the way. We share similar views, although hers may be slighted more toward the defendant. My issue is the bleeding hearts who couldn't sleep and wept as stated above. Come on people, don't you have anything better to do?

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121stuckinOH(21 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I have as a matter of fact Maite. You mean to tell me all 3 of the members are on this blog?

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122GEOMAR(29 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I never said that I did not care for animals. I said that I did not care for all the pandering and idiocy that is taking place here. I see too much emphasis being placed on the sanctity of a dogs life, no mentions what so ever of the owners responsibilities and too much lambasting of people who won't agree with certain opinions. Everybody here has a right to voice their opinion whether it be right or wrong but for all of you compassionate ones out there its seems obvious to me that your compassion disappears when a human takes a side or stance that is different from yours. That right there tells me quite a bit abut the 'compassion' all of you say you have. If you make a statement try utilizing verbage that does not insult another persons way of thinking. It might be that the ones who think they have a brain just might not.

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123Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN....."I will not say anything until Steve has had His say in Court". So don't ask Me to. Everyone knows that You don't talk about a case before a trial.


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124pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

It seems as though some have forgotten that everyone has a calling in life. If we all had the same passions then there wouldnt be much to life. Whether you fight for animal rights, victims rights or say preach the gospel, each of us must do those things that are best for us. I will never regret supporting those that cant defend theirselves. Nor will I make excuses for what I do. As I dont expect anyone to do for the things that they support. Dont diminish what I do just because you dont agree with it.

Geomar...I will say its just a child, spouse, parent or any other person you want to add to the list if you tell me its just a dog. My two dogs are my children. You say to utilize verbage that does not insult another persons way of thinking...isnt that what you have done????

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125GEOMAR(29 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I did not insult anyone either directly or otherwise. I pointed no fingers nor did I have to hurl insults to get my point across. I made a statement and I stand by it. If there is something in my rhetoric that insulted you then you are digging deeper into something that really is not there. I won't apologize for something that I did not say. As far as your two dogs being your children, whatever you like - it's not for me to say, but your tit for tat comment was rather inane and that's not meant to be insulting, just the facts.

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126clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Hello Katie.....Nobody asked you ever to spout your love for this dog killer,you presented the facts, as you know them, you presented the wittnesses , as you know them, you presented the names of people , as you know them, again I say, we DON'T care about these people, we care about the dogs, get it? As for the others who think a dog is just an object, and if it dies it is about the same as stepping on an ant......one day your comments will come back to haunt you, you WILL feel this hurt, might not be a dog, but the feeling will be there, I promise you. Then and only then will you understand.

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127Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I have not stated what the facts are, only what they are not, and it doesn't matter that You didn't ask Me to post, nobody asked You to post, it's a public forum.

Everyone feels hurt in life, I'm no different. The thing is, I won't feel hurt by my comments, I've said nothing that I wouldn't back up. All the hate and revenge in Your heart will come back to haunt You someday. Hate will eat away at You, one day at a time.


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128pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

You have directly and indirectly insulted animal lovers from the moment you started posting here. If this isnt an important issue to you why do you keep posting. Yes you do have the right to do so, you seem to be spending time here that you could use doing something so much more important.

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129animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

A quote from Discussions Talk of the Valley:

"IGNORE THE FREAKS! Don't post back to Katie especially--IT is just trying to get you worked up. Just don't answer IT."

We should do this in here and to everyone else who does not have the compassion for animals.

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130petlover(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

It still all goes back to no excuse for these dogs being in this state.
Dead, decaying, flesh rotting off bones, stuck to the cement.
You can't help someone that doesn't admit they have a problem or did something wrong.
It just says that they're only sorry they got caught.
He probably got caught by the neighbor that saw him taking two dogs out in crates the night before.
Live dogs could walk out and get in the crates.
Why have someone help you carry live dogs out to the van in crates.
The truth here will never be known.

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131GSD(22 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Some of you have talked about the dogs being God’s beautiful creatures, and they are, and so many of you have talked about praying for the dogs. I love my dogs,they are my babies and I am not ashamed to say it. They are spoiled rotten. I still have not recovered from having to put past dogs to sleep because of age and illnes. So I thought it would be interesting to see how God would feel about someone letting an animal die. (You aren’t going to like it.) Leviticus 24:17-18 God says, “And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast.” It appears that God places human life much higher than animals. And, based on this we have already punished Steve Croley more than God Himself would have. (I told you that you were not going to like it)

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132clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Could it be that beast for beast could be interpreted as an eye for an eye, or could it be that at that point in time animals were just that, animals, we have evolved since then and look at animals differently.AND if we do that now, what makes us do it? Could it be God?

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133animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

The bible also says "A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel" (Proverbs 12:10)

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134GSD(22 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

The Bible also says,
Romans 3:10, “As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one:”
Romans 3:23; “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God;”
John 8:7b; “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone."

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135GSD(22 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

In reply to Clayor;
I was afraid someone might misinterpret this. No from the context it is quite clear that God is referring to an animal. And he that killeth a beast (animal) shall make it good; beast (animal ) for beast.
People in bible times were not much different from us. They had pets they loved very much too. They would even keep their Arabian horses in tents with them. The bible talks about them making pets of their sheep. These words are the mind of God bot then and now. God does not change. Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever.

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136clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

GDS, I respectfully disagree.....times have changed, people have changed, who has made this all happen, if not for God, there is a driving force behind this change.

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137GSD(22 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

I think we are probably both right. Some aspects have changed and others have not.

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138petlover(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

The Bible also says,
"be not deceived, God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he also reap."
Or in more secular terms, What goes around comes around.
Yes God does forgive sin, when we acknowledge it, repent and turn from it, that's why Jesus hung on the cross but once again the Bible says "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive our sins and cleanse us of all unrightousness.
There is no repentance that anyone knows of in this situation, just denial that anything wrong was done.
Payday may not come in a day or a week or a year, but make no mistake payday always comes....

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139Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Steve has not denied the situation, only that the dogs were not starved to death, and that He never said that He had no money to feed them. He had alot of food there.

I can honestly tell You that it was an accident, and I will say no more. Everyone knows not to talk about a case until it's been resolved. Steve's a Christian. He's paid dearly in life lately. Before and after this happened. He's lost absolutely everything, and I mean everything but the clothes on His back.

How can all of You judge Him? I suppose You are Sin free. I do not know anyone who is Sin free. I also believe, what goes around comes around. So, what do you think will happen with all of this hatred in you hearts?

This Thanksgiving, I'm grateful for the People in My life and that I have a roof over My head, Clothes to wear and food to eat. I'm sure all of You feel the same way.


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140animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie, Steve go somewhere else.. I dont care if Steve lost everything. I dont care about his pathetic excuses are or his "friends"... I dont care what you are happy for for Thanksgiving.

I care about the dogs that were starved to death by Steve. If they didnt starve why didnt he pick up their sh*t, or take them to the vet? Pictures dont lie and we are not stupid. I am not sin free but I would never knowingly let an animal die in my care. God will forgive when the truth is told, not bullsh*t

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141petlover(7 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

An accident is something that happens in an instant.
There is absolutely no way this all happened in an instant.
Those dogs didn't starve to death in an instant.
The flesh didn't rot off their bones in an instant.
Not letting people know their dog died for several weeks wasn't an instant.
Even sadder that he had food and didn't give it to them.
Is there forgiveness? yes. Is there any excuse? On too many levels, no.
There was only accountability and responsibility, both his.
To make provisions for these animals.
Whether it was provision for food.
Provision for vet care.
Provision for their owners to come and get them.
I don't think people have hatred for the man as much as they are repulsed by what he did or didn't do,
again on many levels.
You can believe what you want and say what you want
the photos tell it all, whatever was going on was going on far too long for this to have been an accident.
He had the obligation to demonstrate and take responsibility for his performance in light of agreed expectations. There is a difference between responsibility and accountability: responsibility is the obligation to act; accountability is the obligation to answer for an action.
His lack of both is what people are appalled by.

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142clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Well put, Petlover, I think, we who agree, and find no reason to even consider that this was an "oversight", find that you have put everything in total perspective. Thanks

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143clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Katie, I think you said everyone knows we should not discuss a case until it is over...well quit running your trap, if you feel that strongly. Only you have been feeding us information about people involved in this case, who we really don't care about. BUT, if any of us should get called to jury for this case, I'm sure we can cite all your info and get out of it.

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144Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

That's a good thing, all of you have Him on death row already.

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145markgsd(3 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Many places give animal control officers the same rights as police when it comes to animals. That means they can search, seize cite or arrest you if thats whats necessary (with probable cause).
I have a question regarding the right to search. If the animal control people found four dogs who were obviously neglected, which gave them probable cause to enter the property. They then found upon entering the property for the four unfed dying dogs and a smell that was explained as "noxious". Which I can only assume was the smell of death. With emaciated dogs visually present and the smell of dead animals behind the fences would also be probable cause to investigate further.
I believe I read the story in as many places as i could and still do not understand where the lack of probable cause is?
This guy did it. It's obvious. He should be charged with all counts individually. You know the funny thing is... he says he is a trainer and couldn't afford to feed the dogs...he musta sucked as a trainer, what a brokejoke. Go ahead show me the defamation! Cause this is the kinda crap that tweakers do. He couldn't afford to feed dogs much less sue anyone for defamation...roflmfao

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146clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 8 months ago

Mark, he could well have afforded to feed these dogs, he got paid well to see that they were well taken care of. Unfortunately, he seemed to have spent their food money elsewhere. Possibly at Katie's "food" kitchen. Start at the beginning, this is a saga not to be missed! Or believed.

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147Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

I couldn't agree more with the person who commented that those who come here only to stir up others' emotions and start arguments about whether dogs are beasts or Croley is a victim, should go off and post somewhere else and stop wasting their obviously all-too-precious time trying to distract us from helping those who cannot speak up for themselves. (The dogs)

And for those who have been hurling Bible quotes at each other - I am not anti-religious by any means but I really think this is most unnecessary in a forum where we are discussing the fate and pain and distress of poor dogs who no more know of the Bible than they do of human language, and who despite this are way closer to God than ANY of us mere humans ever shall be.

If you really want a quote, I have just one...and this seems especially appropriate in ALL contexts right now:

"God pays debts without money".

All you who are pulling to pieces all that is being strived for here, please remember those five words. They will be with you throughout your life, trust me.

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148Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Katie, this Thanksgiving I have been above all grateful for my life.

Croley has NOT lost "everything". He didn't lose his life, did he?
Those 7 dogs did.

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149Katie(32 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

He didn't quit breathing, if that's what You mean.

Why do You decide Who can post on a Public forum? Liz took Her discussion board down, because it was a discussion. She didn't want anyone to disagree with Her. Maybe She'll have this one removed, also. That would be a good thing.


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150clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Katie, we are tired of hearing the same diatribe from you, take it somewhere else, we here are discussing DEAD dogs, thanks to your, whatever he is to you, to us he is a NOTHING, a meaningless piece of humanity, who deserves whatever comes his way. Maybe you can use those dog bones to make a nice pot of soup to serve in your kitchen and your "Steve" can be "Top Chef". Too bad he let the poor dog get stuck to the ground, you could have offered up Nitro Burgers. I am sure you are running a 5 star establishment.

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151GSD(22 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Maite. What exactly are you striving for in this forum? You don’t want others trying to stir up emotions. What are you trying to do? You feel the Bible is unnecessary in a discussion of this nature? Why would that be? The Bible is God’s word. It gives us the mind of God on every subject and every possible situation of man or beast. Sorry but God says dogs are beasts I didn‘t. Your argument is with Him on that one. The Bible was good enough for our founding father’s to use as the basis and foundation of our constitution. It was also good enough for our founding fathers to use as the basis and foundation for the early law books that were written. And these same law books are still used in our law schools today. But since you are not from this country you wouldn’t know that. We have freedom of speech and freedom of religion in this country, and we will exercise both. This is a public forum for all to express their opinions not just you. If you don’t like what you read on this forum then stay off it. If you have a problem with the Bible being used in this forum your problem is with God not us. Take care when you attack God’s word you are attacking God.

Just what is it that you are trying to do to help the dogs? From what I can tell all you want is the death penalty for Steve. Sorry, but even God says the penalty for killing someone’s animal is to restore the animal not loose your life. And vigilante justice has already punished him more that God Himself would We need to keep things in perspective. Dogs are not human.
I have never in my entire life heard anyone wish something as evil and wicked on another human as you wished on Katie. It was so evil and wicked the Vindicator had to remove it. And you talk about having compassion? You don’t know the meaning of the word. I don’t thank anyone else on this blog would wish on their worst enemy what you wished on Katie. Maite I have never heard anyone with so much hatred in their heart as you have. I can easily see why quoting Scripture makes you so uncomfortable. Acts 16:31 “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” If we want to trade Bible verses we will.

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152Maite(47 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

GSD, NOWHERE have I ever said or implied that I wish the death sentence to be applied on Croley. What I believe is that he deliberately and knowingly allowed these dogs to die in the most horrible agony. Whatever sentence is passed on him is none of my business but I am extremely glad to be able to say that I am not a resident of a city whose jurisdicial system will allow such a creature to walk free.

However, since my assertion of my horror for this despicable deed is evidently creating antipathy and therefore not furthering the cause that I would wish to support, I shall remove my presence from this forum.
I care only about the agony these poor dogs went through as they succombed, alone and in terrible distress.
Nobody and nothing can ever bring those lives back.

And it is a sad fact of 'human' nature that somewhere in the world, repeatedly, this kind of cruelty will always repeat itself.

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153luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

You ask what is Maite trying to do to help the dogs? Maite is helping those that cannot speak for themselves. Much more than I can say for others that posted here. Don’t you think animal abuse/cruelty to animals needs to STOP? Maite never said the death penalty, so please don’t be ridiculous.

Yes let’s keep things in perspective, while none of us seem to disagree that dogs are not human, these dogs are loved by humans. What happened to the Golden Rule “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”? Did this human ever consider for a moment what his actions (or his lack of actions which is completely obvious in the horrific photos) would do to others?

Some of us are here for the dogs and for people like us that love them. Others are here to concoct stories, excuses and lies hoping that we will go away. We will not go away. We care about the dogs and we are speaking for those that cannot speak for themselves

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154pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Luvdogs...Its a shame that you have to keep repeating the fact that this is all about the dogs. The photos speak loud and clear as to what happened here. No one and I mean no one can explain them away. To those that would like to forget them...sorry they are not going away.

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155clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Right, Pam, pictures speak a thousand words.And they do NOT lie.Poor Steve looks so sad, good acting job, the dogs look dead, they are not acting.

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156dobermom(1 comment)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Look all. I just spent the last two hours of work reading these comments. I was in tears reading the articles and I could never look at the pics for fear that they would be seared into my mind forever. I have two doberman boys who I love very much. This case is heart-wrenching.

To those of you who want to stir up strife... I think it is obvious that the people who joined this forum did so because they are completely horrified by what has occured. They did not join it to hear all about Steve or all about the morality of feeling that dogs can be as loved as much as any family member. The bottom line is that some of us love out dogs with all of our hearts and some think of them only as pets. Those of us who can't bear to think of our own pet in this situation have every right to lash out.

We all have the freedom of speech and don't give us any crap about finding us or suing us. Are you saying that we are going to get sued for being angry about this case and venting it on those who are involved? I am sure that any Judge has to deal with those for and against the defendant.

To all else, all we can do is sign the petition, write letters, make calls, show up at court, and most of all Pray to God that he give the judge the correct judgement.

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157markgsd(3 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

HA HA I'm glad his house is trashed and his "life" is ruined. The people of the town should burn it down and "clean" their town of this filth. Now everyone knows what he is really up to. I just had him put on another national animal abuse registry.

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158markgsd(3 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

oh ya and he he thinks he can join a national organization that involves tracking ha ha ha he failed tracking and in an unsportsmanlike manner never showed up for obedience afterward.

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159clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Good for you, Mark, he needs to be registered in case he tries to set up business elsewhere.I never knew there was such a thing. Thank you for speaking (barking) for the dogs.I know many of us who post here really apreciate it!

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160justiceplease(2 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Please pass the word on that the pre-trial may be tomorrow December 4th. I don't have a time but if you were planning on going to the court house on the 18th, please go tomorrow. Call the court in the morning to find out a time. I was told that they may be trying to sneak this in because of all the outrage. They don't want a crowd. Lets give them one anyway!! I was told this by a good source but I haven't talked to the clerk of courts to confirm.

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161animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

I confirmed with the clerk of courts.

Plea Hearing tomorrow December 4 at 1:30pm

Everyone be there, they try to do this to keep us all quiet.

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162clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Plea bargain? What's he gonna plea, insanity? If these were humans, it would be pre-meditated murder. Maybe he will get the slap on the wrist and he and Katie can do community service, like cleaning up dog poop. If he has the $, which maybe he saved from the dog owners who paid him, I bet he gets off REALLY easy. Wonder if his lawyer has a pet?

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163pamewame(48 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Hanni the atty is judge Hanni's daughter...Tomcat

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164animallover(86 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Everyone should write the judge, make sure he gets the maximum penalty. Dont let him get away with this!

Plea deal would bring 4 months in jail for animal cruelty

Published:Thursday, December 4, 2008 3:14 p.m.
Steve Croley

YOUNGSTOWN — A plea agreement recommends four months in jail for the man who operated High Caliber K-9, where seven dead and 12 starving dogs were found.

Steve Croley, 38, of Struthers-Coitsville Road, Lowellville pleaded no contest Thursday afternoon in municipal court to four counts of animal cruelty. Two housing violations related to the condition of the High Caliber K-9 property at 1516 Coitsville-Hubbard Road were dismissed.

City Prosecutor Jay Macejko said the plea agreement calls for 30 days in jail on each count; restitution of $1,646 to Animal Charity, a humane agency on South Avenue; and a provision that Croley not own or harbor animals during whatever probation period — one to five years — that may be imposed.

Croley will be sentenced Jan. 22.


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165clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Isn't that nice, 4 months in jail, for murder. And ,as Katie has spouted, he has no money, so Animal Charity will get nothing, and who is going to keep tabs on him when he leaves the area and does it again??What a travesty, shame on all of you have taken this so loosely. I have heard what Maite said....God pays debts without money..that will stick with me. Let's see, 7 dead and 12 starving...that's a fair sentence, don't you all agree? Oops, forgot about the housing violations. Remember this when you vote for judges again.

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166clayor(281 comments)posted 7 years, 7 months ago

Tomcat, you have been away too long, THAT judge Hanni has died. But his legacy lives on, he taught his children well.

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