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Source: 1,100 workers to lose jobs at Lordstown



Published: Fri, November 7, 2008 @ 11:56 a.m.

General Motors is laying off 1,100 hourly and salaried workers from its Lordstown complex, a source told The Vindicator.

GM officials told workers about the cuts in a broadcast at the complex this morning.

The source said the complex’s third shift is not being eliminated as has been rumored for weeks, but the speed of the assembly line is being slowed. The complex has nearly 5,000 hourly and salaried workers after about 1,400 workers were brought on in August when the third shift was created.


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1DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

The union goes around and tells labor there will be no cuts, and management does nothing to alert labor either, now they cut 1100 jobs. It is sad.
GM will be in Chap. 13 proceedings by spring 2009 with or without the federal loan. At this rate, it doesn't matter if GM buys Chrysler and the 13 billion in capital on their books. They'll go through that in two quarters, well before the Cruze is set to hit the market.
I only hope labor saw the writing on the wall and attempted some sort of contingency plan. Those property taxes in Poland/Canfield can get mighty steep.

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2boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Nail on the head grump. Because of the white on black presidential election, more uneducated voters got in the booths and checked away at their hearts content once the big o was checked off. Most didn't even know what they were voting for, nor did they care.......I call it a shame that because of the first black president, so many uneducated, illiterate, blind to the issues voters were in the polling place. now we must pay.

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3YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Not to sound mean, but boo hoo. Poor GM workers. Now they won't get paid 17$ an hour to put a lightbulb in the trunk of a car. Now, they have to work for lower wages like the rest of us. Learn to live on a lot less. Boo hooo.

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4alumni(10 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

A LOT OF EDUCATED PEOPLE VOTED AND NOT JUST BLACKS HOW ABOUT THE WHITES

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5AtownParent(561 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

YoungstownMOm, the more I read your posts, the more ignorant you sound. First, those that make the higher wages have been there for 30+ years. Second, the new workers coming in are paid 14.00 an hour. Maybe you should get an education so you can make a higher wage.

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6boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Alot of educated people did vote, both white and black, but alot more people voted because of Obama, and that's the only reason they came out to vote, knowing nothing about issues or political races they were blindly checking off. If you think that even 60 percent of the voters in this area, regardless of who they voted for for president, knew what they were checking off whilst voting, then you are blind also.

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7apollo(1227 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

I can't wait until the Boardman residents get their property tax bills and see what they voted yes for!!!

The township employees always made sure they figured the cost (14 cents a day) based on the lowest or near the lowest property values in the township.

Funny too is how thinking about it on a daily basis is one thing, when the bill comes due and those 182 days are all tallied together, the cost looks a little different.

Bend over Boardmanites.

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8Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

GM and other carmakers took a direct hit from out of sight gasoline prices. At election time those politicians against drilling USA oil reserves should take a direct hit and be voted out !

In the mean time, Cuba is permitting foreign countries to drill within 50 miles of Florida! That's right, countries such as China are already drilling without our permission within spitting-distance of the U.S. Do the Democrats care?

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2006...

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9YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

By the way ATOWN Parent, I do have a higher education degree and I do make a good wage, but I choose to help my family and not live off of them.

Secondly, I did not realize that you needed to have higher education to work at GM. So, I do apologize if I offended any trunk lighters with a Degree.

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10dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

YoungstownMom: You are a very bitter person. For someone who does have a higher education, at least that is what you say, you do not act or sound like it. Who is to say people who do not work are living off their families? You are so far off in left field, no one can even see you!

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11YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

DMETS: You have no idea if I am a bitter person or not, you do not even know me. I am not the only one who believes this, I am just the only one who has the courage to say it out loud.

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12JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

The grapes, they are sour. Lots of people wishing that their candidate got elected (Stan, boardman..., et al) and that they had better jobs (Y-townMom).

Laughable, man.

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13YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

By the way DMETS, I do have a degree. Just because I do not always agree with what you say, does not mean I am dumb or a liar. That is why this country is great, everyone is entitled to an opinion, whether you agree with it or not, and it does not mean that they are an uneducated idiot either.

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14sinthor(87 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Y TOWN MOM!! IM WITH YOU ON BOO HOO!! HOO!! GM WORKERS.

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15wallypop81(1 comment)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

The BIG reason Obama got elected was not because of illiterate, uneducated, blind to the issues voters. It was because of educated, literate and knowledgeable White voters who voted for him instead of McCain. Those are the people who you should be talking about. Sounds a little bit like you are blind to that issue. Obama would have never won without the white vote. I applaud the voters who picked Obama bacause they simply made the choice for the most intelligent person.It's finally time to put an end to what can only be described as the first democratic dictatorship ever ruled by a knucklehead who the average American was smarter than. It's simply time to put the American people first rather than last. So long to that old, tired ass Republican ideology and may the Good Ole Boys Rest In Peace. YEAH!!!

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16ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

youngstownmom, there's quite a difference between being uneducated and being just plain ignorant. the wages autoworkers got paid were won through collective bargaining and a lot of years of sacrifice.

i don't believe for a moment that you wouldn't take more money for whatever job you do with your higher education and smug attitude. and anyone who takes satisfaction out of someone else's misfortune should join the human race.

if you or sinthor were offered the wages that the UAW won for it's members, you'd take it. and if they were suddenly cut in half, i wouldn't rag on you about it.

well, maybe i would at that.

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17YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Sorry Idchian, I did not know you worked for GM. I think you need to evaluate yourself in regard to SMUG attitude. I was not taking satisfaction out of someone elses loss. If you can read, and I am sure you can (probably), I said boo hoo to them losing their job. We always have to say POOR GM, poor them. What about all the other people who have lost their jobs. What story is in the paper for them. NOTHING, but because GM is such a BIG DEAL we have to hear about it for them.

There are a lot of hardworking people in the Mahoning Valley that lost their jobs, but no one has nothing to say to them but oh well. But, GM lays off people and we have to stop the news and make sure we all weep for them.

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18YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

The one thing that I would like to add is that my heart goes out to those who have lost their jobs (EVERYONE) that have a family to support. If you are single, I do feel bad, but if you have a family then it is even harder because you not only have yourself to worry about. I hope that they all find something to help them out, especially in this poor economy.

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19sinthor(87 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Thank you y-town mom,well put. Idchian,i would not TAKE a job at GM caz id be laid off b4 i got my 1st. pay check! Its like yt-mom says,other poeple work in this town too.. and they get laid off also an they too have bills to pay,but you never see it in the news.

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20ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

if gm lordstown goes down, there will be nothing left to sustain the mahoning valley.fernando will have to let go of his employees at wedgewood pizza, rulli brothers would go under, car dealerships, dentists offices, and all who work for them will be out of luck. how short-sighted you two are.

what do you think the news would report if disney world closed in orlando? or if the casinos closed in atlantic city? of course they report news about gm--it's the biggest employer we have.

oh, and you're right, i drew paychecks from lordstown for over thirty years. i'm not smug at all. my pension is in jeopardy.

and sinthor, you'd have taken a job at gm in a heartbeat years ago and probably bought a new car b4 you got your 1st paycheck caz you have no idea--oh hell, i can't write like you. it makes me feel stupid.

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21YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

We are short-sighted, PLEASE. We care for everyone in the area, not only GM. You are the one being short-sighted to assume that if GM goes down the whole Mahoning Valley will have to close up. I may not be as OLD as you are, but I do remember when the Mills closed down and Younstown is still here. If you can remember back then, the Mills employed a lot more people than GM. My grandfather lost his job, and also lost his pension when the mills closed. SO PLEASE, don't think that you have the market on problems.

Mahoning Valley is a hotbed for people who lost their jobs and lost their money. The reason that you do not hear about most of the lost jobs is because they do not go on the news and cry about it like GM union people do.

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22prodgodq(149 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

"We are short-sighted, PLEASE. We care for everyone in the area, not only GM. You are the one being short-sighted to assume that if GM goes down the whole Mahoning Valley will have to close up. I may not be as OLD as you are, but I do remember when the Mills closed down and Younstown is still here."

-Yes, you are short sighted. Incredibly short sighted. Anyone who would ridicule the loss of any type of job in this valley, at this point in time, is amazingly ignorant. EVERY lost job affects everyone else in this valley, and it's as simple as that.
A person making "$17 an hour to put a light bulb in a trunk" as you so "elegantly" put it, has disposable income. With that disposable income, they buy things. They eat at restaurants.
They pay for work or improvements on their homes. They put money in bank accounts. Now, they won't be doing any of those things,
and other businesses in the valley will suffer a little more becasue of it. You say that you've seen previous industries close down here. I assume you've seen the results? If Lordstown were to cease operations, do you think the results would be positive?
I understand your point about GM workers not being any different than anyone else. What I don't understand is the incredible level of mean-spirited indifference and lack of awareness that all of us in this area are tied together as part of an economy and a community, whether we like it or not.
At some point, we're going to have to make an effort to come together and work together, because this valley can and will
disappear if we don't. And there are plenty of examples of entire communities disappearing throughout our country's history to prove it.

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23Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Old Boxcar Willie AKA Jeff Lebo has chased after a train and hopped aboard. He has no idea of his final destination but is happy because he has plenty of company on the ride. As they say," Jeff is happier than a Possum ...... .... .

LET THE GOODTIMES ROLL !
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24sinthor(87 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

OH! MY! GOD! YOUNGSTOWN WILL BE A GOAST TOWN WITH OUT "GM" WHAT WILL WE DO?

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25DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

I seen a goast in my closet.

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26ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

when the mills shut down the story dominated the news for months. in fact, they still write about it all these years later.

entire families were broken up with people moving all over the country to look for work. the population in youngstown was reduced to half. many of the older gm workers came right out of the mill. gm filled the gap left by the steel mill closings and provided good solid incomes for thousands of men and women for forty years.

and of course we're concerned when someone loses his or her job but when thousands do, the story will be reported in the newspaper. not because their plight is more difficult than any individual's but because the more jobs lost, the more of an impact it has on this area. if people move out, the city dies. simple as that.

and sinthor, the first thing i'd do if i were you is learn to spell. ever see the movie "ghost"? or hear of casper the friendly ghost? how about "ghost rider"? that gives you just three examples of how to spell a word you've read hundreds of times. "goast". geez!

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27sinthor(87 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Ok,ghost. U STILL GOT WAT EYE MENT DIDNT YA? GEE WIZZ. I GUESS U TODL ME.LOL...

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28ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

grump, i imagine this will fall on deaf ears but look at some of the benefits you enjoy as a result unions. forty hour work week, decent pay, healthcare, overtime, job safety, ergomonics, air quality, all the things we take for granted today were won by unions.

and whoever said gm benefits go on forever? during the reagan administeration (remember? he busted the air traffic controllers union) i was laid off eighteen months and ran out of unemployment benefits and healthcare after 26 weeks. i had four little kids and nearly lost my house.

the problem with the auto industry is poor management (think the hummer) and huge pay-offs to the ceos. also, the oil lobby. gm had an electric car as far back as the late 80s. what happened to it? exxon oil, that's what.

finally, anyone who doesn't feel bad when someone else loses his or her job--no matter what they do--must be full of jealousy and hate. my god, it's a month before christmas.

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29TheLostPatrol(755 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Hey, China just put together a $550+ Billion-Dollar stimulus Package for their Country. Why not have GM, Ford, and Chrysler go ask CHINA for financial bailout help; since they went and shuttered plants in the USA and built anew in China?

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30clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

GM workers have always fared better than any others in this community, working or not.....they have a good pension, have good health benefits,got enormous buy-outs if they chose, they thrived while other places went broke and let their workers go with nothing. They bought the best houses, laughed because they didn't have to work when they went to work, they happily went to the doctor for every pimple on their butts while others with serious illnessess suffered silently because they couldn't afford to go. Maybe the adage IS true....."what goes around, comes around".I do feel sorry for the new GM workers who were hired after the fiasco, because they are screwed again, but not one bit for those who stayed and still enjoyed the luxuries, I have seen the bottom of the barel and it is not a pretty sight, as some of you well know.

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31clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

oops...sorry for the spelling error! I KNOW it will be corrected!

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32ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

well, grump, i stand corrected. you own your own business and thus have never enjoyed benefits won by unions. unless, of course, you worked while in high school--anything minimum wage that paid overtime or gave you christmas off or covered your health insurance.

maybe unions would not be necessary if employers were fair but they aren't. that's why nurses, policemen, teachers, athletes and millions of others united. this is (or was) an industrial nation. of course we need unions.

and claylor, i don't know who you've been talking to but i'm 58 years old and my back is so bad because of the jobs i had at gm i can't walk out to get the mail, toss a football with my sons or swing my grandchildren. i'm not whining, just stating the facts.

nobody hated a job more than i hated mine. but i had to stay, i had a family.

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33boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Wallypop,
Are you wearing saran wrap for clothing today? Because I can clearly see yer nuts... take a look at the popular vote. Big O got the popular vote by 7 million. out of 110 million. I know the popular vote means nothing to people or the system, but it was a closer battle than you think. I hope to god that the whole system and country changes for the better, regardless of who will take the credit or blame for it. but again, too many idiots who only took time away from the tv for twenty minutes to go vote for president should have studied up on all the other issues before they went. My point was that too many uneducated voters were in the booths.

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34boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Also , I can clearly see that you assume that the uneducated blind to the facts voters I was talking about were black. I didnt say that man. you did. I don't think being an uneducated stoolie means you have to be black. apparently from your post, you do. wow.

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35Youngstown_Strong(91 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

It is sad to hear that more jobs are being lost at GM but the only people to blame are both the American public who went crazy over Hummers & other gas guzzlers and the heads of the American auto-industry who ignored fuel efficiency reports & European trends. The heads of this dying American industry stopped trying to push alternative fuel vehicles and smaller cars and instead opted to go bigger and bigger because idiots in our country drooled over each new Hummer model. Auto-workers and family members of them do have my sympathy but welcome to reality, your industry is near-death.

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36Jane(8 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Unions were valuable at one time in this country but are no longer necessary and are actually a detriment to growth. There will be no growth in the state of Ohio or anywhere in the "rust belt" until the union mentality is gone. I have found that unions protect only two things and those are longevity and poor performance. That being said, I believe that as painful as it would be the best thing is to allow the automobile companies to file bankrupcy. This would give them the time to reorganize and to finally do something about those ridiculous collective bargaining agreements they are tied to. Is the fall of the American auto industry all due to the unions? No, it can be shared with years of very poor management with absolutely no vision or foresight.

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37Mimi2BC(146 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Schadenfreude (German): is malicious pleasure taken from observing the misery of another.

Empathy: is often characterized as the ability to "put oneself into another's shoes", or to in some way experience the outlook or emotions of another being within oneself.

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38clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Idch.....most of my family members have worked at GM...speaking Packard here, since it began, the luxuriated in the lap of luxury and still do. They took advantage of what GM had to offer to the hilt, used it to the max. Some have since passed on, but those who were younger are now still living it big. Maybe you work/worked at Lordstown, that's a whole different ballgame.I know that people actually "work" there.Sorry if I offended you if you are from Lordstown.

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39DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Some of you have opinions that are very skewed about unions.
Unions are like almost anything else in this country; there must be a middle ground with which to operate. To state that unions are no longer useful or hinder growth is wrong. Unions are an essential part of this country's workforce and labor system. Without them management and others would have another form of slavery in place already. That is certain.
On the other hand, some unions have not advanced with the current economy and financial indicators. You cannot demand more than the business can give in certain circumstances. If your wages and benefits are causing a menial profit margin then things need to change for the good of the company. However, if management is "rewarding" itself with fat bonuses while the company is losing money, there is a problem.
This is the inherent issue facing GM. The labor wants their piece and management wants their piece, but the company can barely support either one. Both sides are at fault. What sort of compromises have been developed over the last decade? None.
You cannot support labor, you cannot support management, and your sales volume cannot fix the problem. Welcome to the pages of the next decades' educational material on "How the Mighty Fell."
"The business of America is business."; This quote was not just a fancy presidential quote. It was truth.

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40MikePrelee(38 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

The gleeful attitude of some posters here is troubling. Why is it so important for us to run down our neighbors? Do you understand that every job we lose is one more salary that isn't supporting the businesses we work at?

http://talesfromtherustbelt.blogspot....

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41jomasara(2 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

My Brier Hill education tells me that Lordstown is +300 jobs for the year??!! Positive thinkers live longer!

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42Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Prosperous people are good for any community. Why not elevate yourself to their level instead of cheering their demise to your level. Prosperity starts with the right attitude. May GOD BLESS all of the hard working people at Lordstown!

http://www.presidentprofiles.com/imag...

NEITHER A POOR MAN NOR GOVERNMENT HAS EVER PROVIDED A JOB FOR ME.

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43ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

thanks claylor but i'm not offended at all. i didn't want to work there, it was the best job i could get, is all. i put my time in and got out as soon as i could.

i knew people out there i would have fired in a heartbeat if i were in charge and the union would have gotten them back. the union had to protect the bastards as well as the good employees.

i just can't understand the attitudes of people on this post acting like what happens to gm will not affect them. or the satisfaction they get at the thought of seeing someone else go down.

look at what grump wrote. "the only hope for GM is BANKRUPTCY so they can dump their retiree pensions' obligations ".

wouldn't that be nice? i started working at 13 years old and i'd be selling pencils out on federal street with all the other retirees who no longer have an income.

hey, maybe i'd move in with oldmangrump. that would be delightful.

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44city_dweller(193 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

There is a very strong mentality around here in which people say, "I don't have it; why should they," instead of "They have it; why don't I?!" We need to demand more from employers: better pay, better health care, stable retirement, and reasonable sick and maternity leave. My dad is working for the same wages today that he made in 1986, and at my place of employment, we haven't seen a raise in a decade! There is something fundamentally wrong with that, especially since in 1980, the average CEO made as much as 42 hourly workers, and today, CEOs makes as much as 369 workers.

As for unions, consider this: Prior to union organization in Youngstown, steel workers worked six 12-hour shifts a week: 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. one week and then 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. the next. Every Sunday they alternated being off and then working a 24-hour shift. Companies have one goal in mind: Make as much money as possible regardless of the cost to the employee. Every company is a union for itself, a collective bargaining unit out to ensure the best return on their investment. So if the members of company can get together to discuss their needs, why can't the workers present a united front to discuss their needs? I don't know how anyone could believe it's fair that each employee should have to square off against a multi-million or billion dollar corporation every time they want a $.50 raise or a week's vacation.

For those of you who point to the "whopping" $17 ($35,500 annually, oh boy!) made my GM workers, their salary increase over the years is nothing, NOTHING compared the tens of millions Rick Wagoner and his predecessors have pocketed in any given time frame.

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45ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

city dweller, that was so well put, maybe i'll move in with you instead. (your loss, grump.)

by the way, when i retired five years ago, i made $30 an hour. they're talking about pay cuts that have already been slashed nearly in half.

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46clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Idc, I have a question......if GM really fails without a bailout, what will happen to your health care and pensions, nobody ever made that clear. Is the union done and not protecting anyone?

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47dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

You know what will happen? idchain and everyone one else who worked for gm will end up on the ohio card, and those who are working will be the ones paying for it. So we would be much better off with gm staying a float!

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48ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

claylor, it's really complicated. i believe we have guaranteed coverage until 01/11. then i imagine the union will try something else.

right now, i pay so much a month, the rank and file suppliments the retirees' benefits with a dollar an hour. gm made a lump sum payment to an escrow account for the union fund managers to invest and hopefully make enough to cover us. gm is out of it, though.

they sent us a booklet explaining it all and that's what i got out of it. if someone smarter than me knows more, i'd like to hear it.

speaking of benefits, if we went to the doctor "for every pimple on [our] butts while others with serious illnessess suffered silently because they couldn't afford to go (as you said earlier) we'd pay 100%. we have no office visit coverage. there's no co-pay. we pay it.

my family has some health issues and i've made payment arrangements with a lot of doctors. right now i pay $550 a month not counting drugs. some of these guys will never be paid off.

i'm not complaining. these are just facts and some of you talk without knowing them.

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49ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

as for our pensions, i have this theory, see. gm's ten-year plan 2000.

design unsellable cars. like the hummer. a huge monstrosity that flies in the face of all reason, or the silverado that gets 14 miles to a gallon. something no one will buy. then after a big show, file for bankruptcy relieving them of their agreement to pay pensions to thousands of retirees in their fifties who could conceivably live for another forty years. (of course, they worked us into an early grave in spite of what some of you think and many of us won't make it to seventy.)

after the smoke clears and they've saved hundreds of millions in retirement benefits and slashed pay, they intorduce their eco-friendly affordable cars and make a ton of money and it's all clear profit because they figured out a way to cut us out.

this is why unions are necessary.

does anyone think gm cares about my doctor bills?

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50clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Wow! However, I don't think eco-friendly cars will have the big push they think they will, I believe they will be another Edsel. I just bought a new Chrysler van and it gets great mileage, I look around and see many of the same. We all want a car/van that fits our needs,not a vehicle that fits the government's needs. When they, the government starts telling us what to buy, we better take a closer look at what democracy means, and do something about it.

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51clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Idc,I think you misunderstood me, I was saying when things were good they went to the doc for every pimple and GM paid for every little ache and pain. But, as I type, I still know people who are going to drs. as far away as Cleveland, for simple "tests" and going to various places for spa treatments at GM's expense, you might be too honest.

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52ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

spa treatments? hmmm.

i doubt i'm any more honest than most. neither was i a better employee. it's true, at one time our benefits were better. but things were better for everyone.

i have two sons who are doctors (notice how i squeezed that in there?) and both said when they were on the ER rotation during their residencies, people came in for colds or stomach aches all the time. point is someone will always abuse the system. it's not a practice autoworkers have a monoply on.

bottom line to all of this is i still can't see the advantage to people pulling for the area's largest employer to fail. when the steel mills closed, youngstown's population dwindled to half. but gm was there to pick up many of the unemployed. who will be here after gm?

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53clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Well, all I can say at this point, is good for you that GM provided you the opportunity to be able to give your kids the chance to become doctors. I am sure they are proud of you, for giving them that chance by working your butt off. You are a step above.Good job.

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54clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

By the way, Id, have them take a look at your back! Geeze, you forgot to look in your own backyard!

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55middleoftheroad(5 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

maybe if the american car workers weren't illegaly smoking, drinking, and wandering the lordstown facility - and actually doing their job from 9-5 - i'd feel bad. but i don't and i won't feel bad for them and their sense of entitlement. a rotten apple spoils the bunch. the unions can't save this mess we're in - we've gone to far.

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56ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

thanks, but they're not that kind of surgeon.

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57clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Hey Middle. last I heard smoking was not illegal and I do hope you have something to back up your comments about people drinking on the job there, I hardly think so, also, if you know anything about Lordstown, you would know they work shifts not 9-5, it is NOT an office, it is a production plant, if you never worked the midnight shift, keep your opinions to yourself

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58Barry_Soetoro(3 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

The layoffs are no surprise; the American Empire is coming to its close. Get used to living in a de-industrialized nation that is euphemistically called the "service economy."

"Welcome to Wal-Mart, would you like a buggy?"

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59metrodawg(70 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Nice to know the klan is still alive and well in northeast Ohio.

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60Kokomo(19 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Has anyone checked out the GM / Chevy car model "Spirit" ??
Made in China, it is one of the most popular cars in India.

Or how about the current model of the Ford "Fiesta" ???
Cannot be sold in North America.

These are fuel efficient vehicles that are no doubt profitable to make, and easy on the budget. Americans have been fed a trough of BS regarding GM's "inability" to fund "research and development" while Ford makes back room deals to keep products offshore.

The ones to blame are the CEO's and the political hacks that keep this country in an ever spinning spiral downward toward bankruptcy.

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61clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

You know what, Kokomo, I don't want one of those crap cars, no matter where they are made, I don't care if you have to pee in the tank to keep them going, I like the cars we have, as do a lot of other people, you want a Smart Car? Get one see what you can fit in it besides your brains

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62Kokomo(19 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Sorry about that clayor, guess the point was just over your head. The maturity around here is astounding.

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63XFilesX(77 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

WOW, it took me quite some time to get through this list of posts. And I have two comments.

(1) I personally know someone who worked/works at GM. She got the job through her father (who was a good employee, never missed a day ill, retired at 31 years). She is worthless. She spends most of her time on sick leave, abusing RX painkillers (buying them with her GM benefits and reselling them for street prices), and doing a host of other drugs WHICH SHE ALSO DID/DOES WHEN SHE IS ON DUTY. She has a dealer who ALSO works at GM who supplies her. When she is working, he will come by and SHOOT HER UP. So please don't insult my intelligence by saying drugs and alcohol do not go on on the premises. I could expand on this story but it would fill pages. She is a true disgrace.

(2) I believe unions had their place at one time and I believe they are useful for limited situations. but I belong to a union and with minor exceptions, they are a pain in the butt. Want to know where MY union dues went? Each and every day for the past year, I received some type of propaganda (if not two or three) telling me to either vote for Obama or to NOT vote for McCain. And it was the high profile stuff too. Very expensive papers and photos. they spared no expense. But when it came to my contract recently ratified, we had to BEND OVER and give more to the company and the union.

I feel for anyone who loses their job. My father was one of the few who did NOT work for GM and he lost his job in his 50's and NO ONE would hire him. My mom supported us on minimum wage and it was horrible. Barely scraping by. By the time I was 22, I made $9/hour and my father was working again and making $6/hour. How do you think he felt knowing his child made more than him?

People took manual labor jobs (my father included) because of a lack of education. Anyone who thinks a manual labor job is easy has never done it. It's not. It hard work and your body never recovers from it. A vast majority die at a relatively young age. (My father at 62)

That said, GM workers have had it good for a long, long time. It's time to come to earth and be reasonable. I don't want to see them royally screwed over, but I'd like to see them be reasonable. unfortunately, most of them don't have a "let's be reasonable attitude". So if they can't, then I say let them file bankruptcy and reorganize.

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64clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

BRAVO X-Files

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