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Electoral College should make sure its voting for citizens, lawmaker says


Published: Thu, December 11, 2008 @ 1:46 p.m.

COLUMBUS — A state lawmaker is urging Electoral College members to confirm the president-elect’s citizenship before casting their ballots next week.

Rep. Diana Fessler, a Republican from west-central Ohio, offered a joint resolution Thursday, during the House’s nonvoting session, calling on electors “to exercise due diligence to ensure that the persons for whom they cast their ballots for president and vice president of the United States are citizens of the United States.”

The resolution, which won’t be acted on by the chamber prior to next week’s vote, also calls for electors to examine “birth certificates of those persons” and that copies of the resolution be distributed to the governors and Electoral College members in all 50 states.

Ohio’s Electoral College will convene Monday at the Statehouse, with 20 Ohioans expected to cast their ballots for President-elect Barack Obama and Vice President-elect Joe Biden.

Fessler’s resolution is in relation to ongoing conspiracy theories alleging the president-elect is not a natural born citizen and is ineligible to serve as the nation’s chief executive.

Legal filings on the issue have been made, and the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this month quashed one related lawsuit.


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1apollo(1215 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

OMG, is this woman actually a member of a legislature? She believes the Obama isn't an American??? Is this the intellect of our politicians?

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2Alferd(1 comment)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Unfortunately, yes. Most politicians have the brains of a squirrel. Hopefully her colleagues will laugh this out of the chamber.

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3scrooge(563 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

If you've been keeping up with that story it appears the document produced by Obama during the campaign was Certificate of Birth showing RESIDENCY in HI. It had the signatures of doctors who did not practice medicine in US. The orignal BIRTH CERTIFICATE has never been produced and was in fact sealed by order of the HI governor during the campaign raising even more concerns about a possible conspiricy and coverup of his actual birth in Africa.
Is it too much to ask that he proves he is elidgable for the position he was elected to before he takes office? What is he hiding? Once he takes office the Democratic run congress will table any attempts to expose this.
The fact that his advisors and backers are doing so much to keep the document hidden makes everyone else wonder

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4apollo(1215 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Here come the black helicopter folks like scrooge!

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5scrooge(563 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Simple request Apollo.....prove to me you are indeed a citizen so you can be sworn in as president. The document is there-why won't he produce it?

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6Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Do those that voted for him really care?

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7apollo(1215 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Scrooge, he has produced it. Do you think that if the McCain folks thought this was a legitimate issue, they'd have used it during the campaign???

Watch out, I see the black helicopters whirling around right now!

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8BrianH(2 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

"also calls for electors to examine “birth certificates of those persons” and that copies of the resolution be distributed to the governors and Electoral College members in all 50 states"

It's about time, "notify all 50 States" we have worked hard to get the real truth out... it's working, I know some of you don't want to hear it but we must protect the Constitution that this Great Country was founded upon...

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9rxsid(4 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Part I

A) Hawaiian law, at the time of Obama's birth, allowed for FOREIGN born baby's to be registered in Hawaii via a 'Certificate of Live Birth':
"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State..."

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurr...

B) The Hawaiian govt' officials NEVER stated that Obama was born in Hawaii. They only stated that they have seen his birth certificate on file. But a B.C. from where?? (see #1 above).

On October 31, 2008, Dr Chiyome Fukino, Department of Health:
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/200...

For the Hawaiian 'Policies and Procedures' she refereed to...see item #1 above which, again, affords foreign born babies to obtain a Hawaiian COLB.
Legally, the Hawaiian Governor & the Dpt of Health official merely stated fact based on their own laws. One can obviously see that a Kenyan B.C. from 1961 would be legal and valid per Hawaiian law. This would also allow Obama to obtain a U.S. Passport.

C) Examples of Hawaiian Long Form COLB's:
1963 Hawaiian Long Form COLB:
http://a5.vox.com/6a00c2252293c4604a0...
1962 Hawaiian Long Form COLB:
http://passportsusa.com/wp-content/ga...

Obviously, what the Obama camp has released looks nothing like those two Hawaiian COLB's from that time. Where's his?

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10rxsid(4 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Part II

D) If it's proven Obama was indeed foreign born (Kenya), He would NOT have received U.S. citizenship based, only, on his mother's citizenship status. Per U.S. law at the time of his birth (December 24, 1952 to November 13, 1986).
Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock:
"For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child."

http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info...

Obama's mother didn't give birth to him at 19 (14 + 5). Therefore, Obama could not obtain U.S. citizenship based only by virtue his mother's citizenship.

E) And then there is the dual citizenship issue (which could make the above totally irrelevant). Factcheck themselves state that Obama was indeed a British subject and did in fact hold dual citizenship AT Birth.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck...
"In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen ... and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC)"

So even IF he was indeed born in Hawaii (would be easy for him to prove but hasn't so far), Obama could therefore not be a Natural Born citizen because Natural Born citizens can not hold dual citizenship at birth. It has to do with the potential for divided loyalties and the very reason the
writers of the Constitution themselves allowed for their exception (grandfathered in) because all of them were British Subjects at birth.

He might be a "Naturalized" Citizen, but there is nothing (to date) in the public sector to suggest he is a 'Natural Born" Citizen, the Constitution clearly requires for one to become POTUS.

F) Without question, the Secretary of State of New Jersey (& possibly other SoS's) did NOT do their job in making sure the presidential candidates (including Obama) were qualified and eligible to be on their states' ballot. [This is, in part, the subject of Leo Donofrio's lawsuit.]

Why?

How would the SoS from NJ explain that Roger Calero was on their ballet as a candidate?

Socialist Workers Party candidate Roger Calero isn't even a U.S. citizen (Naturalized OR Natural Born), yet appeared on NJ’s presidential ballot.

Calero was also allowed on the state ballot in: Delaware, Minnesota, New York and Vermont.

Calero is a permanent resident alien (holding a green card).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%B3g...

Note: Not in any particular order. Simply, points of fact and information.

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11apollo(1215 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I see them, the black helicopters. They're landing. Here come the guys in black suits. They're taking me awwaaayyyyy!

One of them is Ayers. Another is the Governor of Illinois. Also Jesse Jackson Jr.

You people crack me up! Loonies all.

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12BrianH(2 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

RXSID, Thank You for Stating the Facts but they still will not believe it, it's a sad state of denial right now and they like to call us names, that's OK, the truth is coming out...

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13rxsid(4 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

apollo, which item that I posted do you believe is false, or the stuff of loones and why? is the the actual Hawaiian law? Or the actual U.S. gov't law?

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14George412(161 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Vindy editors: "Electoral College should make sure IT'S voting for citizens, lawmaker says"

its = possessive
it's = it is

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15DoctorGonzo(728 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

George:
There are no editors at this website. There are only "journalists" who write at a fifth grade level.
You would think that displaying your work to the public would be enough motivation to make sure it is quality. The vindy scoffs at quality and defies logic.

IT'S a joke.

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16rxsid(4 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Electors challenged to investigate birth dispute
'Only reasonable explanation' is he wasn't born in the U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX7uuh...

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17Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Now that Obama has been voted into office they will not force him of for fear of massive unrest.

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18andersonathan(467 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

After the lights go out and the teleprompter is tucked away. And Obama has to actually make a decision that involves the countries welfare. He just might falsify his own birth certificate so they can impeach him. Or end up in a corner of a closet biting his tie because he can't just say "present" anymore.

Berg from PA started asking questions months ago about this topic, his has been thrown out and is under appeal. Another is Pastor Manning. Even Obama's grandmother said she was their with the family in Kenya when He was born.

I just do not understand why you have a few teams of lawyers on Obama's side fighting everyone about this. It would be so easy to just produce it and quench every doubt, every critic he has on the topic. But personally I think he has a elitist attitude and it is above him to do so.

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19NachoCheese(123 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

SIMPLE solution to this problem: PRODUCE THE AUTHENTIC BIRTH CERTIFICATE and there should be no more quesitons. The ARROGANCE of Obama on this alone has lost any respect that many could ever have for him. Obviously he has something to hide, or why would he not produce the REAL document.

This is no different than the kid caught with his hands in the cookie jar and chocolate all over his lips, yet saying no momma, I didn't eat any cookies (lick lick) only in this case, your so-called president-elect arrogantly places himself above the reuqirements that the rest of the country has to follow... you reap what you sow folks!

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20apollo(1215 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

They did produce the birth certificate. Just because YOU and other wingnuts don't want to believe it wasn't altered is your problem.

George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson also weren't born in the United States. They were British citizens at birth. Hence Jefferson is disqualified from being President. Thus his Louisiana Purchase was illegal. Which means Louisiana, Arkansas and Missouri are not part of the United States. Therefore neither Harry Truman nor Bill Clinton were US-born. Truman signed the treaties ending World War 2, which means that is invalid and the USA is officially still at war with Germany and Japan.

Conspiracy theories are SO easy!

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21DRDAVE1965(80 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

WELL SAID APOLLO. IT DOESN'T MATTER THOUGH....THOSE GOOF BALLS BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT ANYWAY.

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22Woody(397 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Apollo,

Your arguement is totally with put merit. Go back and reread the US Constitution. Or here, let me post the section that is in question here.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President"

Washington (born in the colony of Virginia), Adams (Massachusetts), and Jefferson (Virginia), were citizens of the United States at the time of adoption of the constitution.

I do not understand why Obama just does not produce the vault copy of his birth certificate, let the media inspect it, and the ones who have brought suit challenging his citizenship and prove that he was born in Hawaii and move on.

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23apollo(1215 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

You wingnuts are simply amazing at how stupid you are. The birth certificate has been provided. The Republicans didn't make a big deal about it because it's a non issue. At least the normal Republicans not the wingnut arm. Now the supreme court is refusing to hear the cases. A right wing supreme court that already stole one election is refusing to steal another because they know this issue isn't valid.

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24dmets(575 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Oh please all you sad crying republicans need to get over it and get a life! His mother is a US citizen, he was born in hawaii(which is a state). So you tell me how he is not? why cause his father was not a US citizen? So are we going to start saying US military children born in other counrties are not US citizens? Omaba was born in the states!! Come on get over and move on!!!

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25andersonathan(467 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

OK he is a Citizen but also a Muslim Ha Ha

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26Tomcat(181 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Never move on on this one until it is produced.

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27mjnovaksr(79 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Seems to me a simple release of the alleged birth certificate from Hawaii would simply and surely solve this question forever. Why would anyone want to avoid doing this UNLESS they have something to hide?? If Obama is a qualified US citizen he should be ever so willing to produce his birth certificate and Hawaii should not be hiding it from public view! The question should be answered....when asked, I eagerly produce mine and Ohio does not seal it from authorized viewing either. Since Obama ran on transparency and serving the people why is he hiding it now? He should produce the document for all to see! That will end the discussion forever. What are those against this afraid of?

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