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Activists open gay meeting center



Published: Sun, December 7, 2008 @ 12:05 a.m.
Map: Stonewall Community Center

The new center will provide meeting space for member organizations.

Staff report

YOUNGSTOWN — The Mahoning Valley’s gay and lesbian activists have opened a community center here that takes its name from a watershed event in the emergence of the gay and lesbian movement almost 40 years ago.

The center, known as the Stonewall Community Center and located at 1523 Poland Ave., conducted its grand opening and holiday party Saturday.

“It’s really a milestone for us because, for so long, there has been no sense of community,” among local gay and lesbian people, said Brian Wells of Youngstown, co-chairman of the Mahoning Valley Pride Coalition, which operates the center.

“This really provides everyone with a place to go and a place to gather and to be able to develop a sense of community,” Wells said. “We want to be able to provide them with a place to call home,” he added.

The coalition had previously rented small quarters at a North Side church, but the new center, which occupies donated quarters, is the first true gay and lesbian community drop-in center in the Mahoning Valley, Wells said.

Besides offering meeting and office space, Wells and coalition trustee Kay Davis of Columbiana said the Poland Avenue center can function as an alternative social gathering place to bars, where Davis said the noise level often makes conversation difficult.

“This is a place to meet, discuss things that are on your mind, and to make friends,” Davis said of the center. “If you come here, you can have nice, quiet conversations,” she added.

Although its leaders call it an alternative to the bars, the new center takes its name from the Stonewall Inn, a gay bar in New York City’s Greenwich Village, made famous by the 1969 Stonewall Rebellion.

According to the bar’s Web site, police and liquor control agents raided the bar June 28, 1969, saying they were checking for liquor law violations, then made homophobic remarks, checked identifications and ejected patrons, one by one.

The crowd grew outside, and agents and police were trapped inside; police called in reinforcements; and the crowd clashed with police, touching off a three-day protest that marked the start of the modern gay rights movement.

Beginning Jan. 3, the new Youngstown center will be open regularly for drop-in hours from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on nonholiday Saturdays. It will be staffed by volunteers offering information to visitors about the center and member organizations, which will use the center as a meeting place.

Besides the coalition, the Stonewall Community Center here will be home to several related local organizations, including the Stonewall Democrats; Parents, Family and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG); and All Families Matter.

The street-level center was formerly a carpet store, bar and storage facility.

With wooden tables and chairs at one end, the center’s main room also features sofas and lounge chairs to provide a living-room-like atmosphere at the other end. Large U.S. and gay pride flags hang vertically from the interior walls.


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1leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

First I want to thank the Vindicator for posting an article about the GLBT community here in the Mahoning Valley. You were visibly absent in coverage of our first ever Gay Pride week in October, where we worked with coalitions at YSU and the First Unitarian Church of Youngstown to create and foster knowledge of our community and our allies in achieving acceptance and equality. There were many moving events including a panel discussion on homosexuality and the bible, and a hugely moving candlelight vigil in memory of Matthew Shepard, who lost his life for no other reason than being gay.

Your article is most welcome, however, I do have a small problem with your headline. Yes, in a way, the leaders of our community who have worked tirelessly in creating a safe place for GLBT men and women to meet and fellowship, are activists for our community, but the term has such a negative connotation, and these leaders are anything buy negative. The term "gay activist," has become synonamous with being an angry gay person who is out to forceably change peoples perception of GLBT. The Pride Center has been established to be a peaceful, friendly, and safe place for our community to meet and offer counsel and help for one another. Yes we will actively pursue the goal of equality for GLBT people in the Mahoning Valley, but we do not want to be labeled with the negative aspects of activism. Maybe I am just arguing semantics, but an open and welcoming Pride Center was opened by and for the GLBT community, not activists opened a gay meeting center. The perceptional shift is small but vital. This is a Center that offers support for those hurting or marginalized in our community, not a meeting place for activists to take over a community.

My final point, is to add to your story. Just before 10pm last night on our grand opening and holiday party we were interrupted by a large rock being thrown through our front door window, and the signage we provided for the event was kicked over. It is my personal opinion that this was done by a couple of stupid people who were out walking the South Side streets of Youngstown, and thought this would be "fun." Two men were seen walking away from the Center, but were covered in hooded sweatshirts and unrecognizable. You can read more about it here: http://mvpridecenter.blogspot.com/200...

This is why this Pride Center is a needed part of the community. To face these random acts of violence and ignorance together as a community, and feel safe and proud of who we are.

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2Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Alternative lifestyles lock people into a prison from which they cannot escape without help. Exodus using the power of Jesus Christ provides that help.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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3leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Why is it that the non-tolerant seem to think that they can "pray the gay away." To YOU it's an alternative lifestlye, but I and our community don't find it alternative, it is how we were created by God. To us, you are the alternative lifestyle, yet we believe in God's plan enough to never tell you how to live your lifestyle, we only ask the same respect to us. You would be very enlightened by renting the movie, "So The Bible Tells Us So." You can only hang on to Leviticus for so long, until you find that we are all abominations in God's eyes, unless maybe you skip the shrimp cocktail, crab and lobster, plus follow the other abominations in that same chapter. Live in LOVE and not hate, and you will live a much happier life.

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4Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

It is no mystique that gay is a deviate lifestyle. People were infected with polio and suffered. Smallpox caused massive suffering. Deviate lifestyles are an infection of the mind. Suffering is not a stranger to this lifestyle. These lifestyles are maintained by recruitment. Hertosexuals maintain their ranks by procreation. This takes a man and a woman. So when I promote hertosexuality you call me non tolerant. I find you both intolerant and amusing!

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5leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Unfortunately Stan, I find you just intolerant and ignorant, not amusing at all. Your ignorance manifests in many ways. First you obviously cant comprehend because I did not call you non-tolerant because you promote "heterosexuality," (this is a newspaper, spelling counts Stan,") in fact it says that I support your lifestyle. You,will not support mine, so who is the intolerant one? It's true we are no stranger to suffering from intolerant people such as yourself, but my life as a citizen in this country has been very fulfilling, and have occurred no more suffering than your normal working everyday hetero in the US. You go on in your ignorance by proclaiming that our numbers are maintained by "recruitment," when it's your bretheren and sisterhood of hetero's that procreate us as well. And we thank you for it. Maybe I don't shop at the right Walmart where there are tables of homosexuals recruiting unsuspecting shoppers into our lifestyle. As a matter of fact, I believe most of the gay literature I read, (and trust me Stan, I probably have much more access to it than you do,) is about tolerance and acceptance after the fact. I have never seen information asking anyone to join the ranks of the gay lifestyle. That is just more myths and propaganda ignorant and intolerant people such as yourself need to profess in order to hide your own unGodliness, such as "love one another as I have loved you."

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6ws2000(7 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Oh for crying out loud!

Where are people still getting these crazy ideas?

Like the idea that "different" equals "diseased"? You want to help people who are truly sick, see what you can do for those kids at the children's hospital.

Or the idea that someone would choose to be gay as a lifestyle choice? Who would actually choose to be gay, given the levels of persecution from the so-called "righteous" people?

And where do the hyper-religious get off trying to pretend that they themselves are God and must put others down in his name? If God wants to smite people, he's plenty powerful enough to do it on his own.

As for myself, I am who God made me. I happen to be heterosexual in a heterosexual marriage. My life and that of my family is in no way shape or form threatened by the existence and co-existence of gay people.

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7dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8: I am a firm believer that people who are gay are born that way. I do not believe it is a choice. I also can not stand people who think that it can be prayed away. God created each person the way they are, and loves and accepts them. Everyone else needs to be more like God!

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8Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

My, my, my. The so called tolerant ones are just over themselves at the mere suggestion that deviate lifestyles may not be normal. Former gays who are involved with Exodus have a much different view now that they are truly free.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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9musidorus(6 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

It saddens me to think of people so filled with self-loathing as to be able to convince themselves that they now desire a particular kind of intimacy which has always before either left them indifferent or revolted them. I wonder how this works. Sexual longing is a pretty basic drive, but aversion therapy may, I suppose, be able to extinguish it. Does Exodus use aversion therapy? However, replacing one longing with a new one (not to be confused with the desire to have that longing) must take a lot of hard work. Prayer can do this, can it? Can it also increase brassiere size and cause one to grow taller? Heck, if it could just make me learn to like beets, I'd lay aside my skepticism. Until then, though, I have to believe that wishing to have a particular desire (even when fortified by prayer) doesn't make that desire appear. I think I'll limit prayer to spiritual issues.

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10Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

musidorus:
So I see that the alternative lifestyle promotion crowd loathes the very thought that straights in the world would promote heterosexuality.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/categor...

Mike Ensley, also affiliated with the Exodus youth section, called himself a “former homosexual” who “never wanted to be gay.” Ensley said relational ministry has helped him correct his “misperceptions” of gender and that Exodus “rescued” him, though he said change is not a 180 degree turnaround but an “ongoing process.” Ensley, like many other conference speakers, also argued that hate crimes laws are being used to “silence” Christians.

Christine, a young woman who leads Worthy Creations, a “recovery” ministry affiliated with Exodus, said she was homosexual at age 15. She criticized church leaders who don’t want to talk about homosexuality, saying pro-gay “propaganda” is everywhere. Like other conference speakers, Christine said there are new reasons for teens to be involved in homosexuality.

In contrast to “classic lesbianism,” to use Ensley's terminology, where women who experienced abuse or were taught that men aren’t safe, girls are now becoming lesbians because of a “try it out and see if you like it” mentality. Christine’s message to young women who try it and like it is that their conclusion shouldn’t be that they are gay, but that “everything works” physically: “Even very unhealthy relationships can feel good,” she said, drawing a parallel to some abused children she said experience pleasure from sexual abuse.

Christine argued that there are four types of homosexuals that need to be dealt with:

1. Militant - Christians need to defend against activists without attacking gays.
2. Moderate - gays who are not ‘out and proud;’ Christians should reach out to them as ambassadors for Christ.
3. Repentant - people who are struggling with being gay or “coming out of homosexuality” and attracted to groups like Exodus. Kristine says she is appalled that some Christians don’t offer them more support.
4. Gay and Christian - sincere but part of “the deception” because they are believing a lie.

Regina Griggs heads PFOX, Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays, though her own son came out nine years ago and apparently shows no interest in becoming “ex-gay.” She blames school counselors and Gay-Straight Alliance clubs for giving young people information that leads to affirmation of a gay identity. The biggest problem, she said, is that parents aren’t standing up to schools and need to be more involved.

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11lucy(123 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I support the Stonewall Community Center and its mission. Keep the faith. There are many heterosexual people in our community who truly love and value all of our friends.

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12musidorus(6 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan, I don't quite see what you mean by "promote heterosexuality." I'm assuming that you refer to your own urging gay people to come to Christ and be healed. I must confess that if this is your meaning, I do object to it because it encourages a fallacious hope that one can change one's fundamental nature.

I realize, though, that you believe that your promotion of heterosexuality does not deserve criticism from us since you think we do the same thing in reverse. You believe, if I am not mistaken, that the purpose of what you call "pro-gay 'propaganda'" is to entice straight people to forsake their own sexual preference and try a walk on the wild side. My understanding of "pro-gay 'propaganda,'" on the other hand, is that it is meant to promote fairness and to oppose prejudice and oppression, which is a lot different from what I am assuming you believe.

I also have to assume that this idea that I am attributing to you comes from a simplistic understanding of the manner in which the gay and the straight communities maintain or increase their numbers. You said that straight people propagate but gay people recruit. Well, it isn't as simple as that. Gay people like me have propagated; lots of us have children. By the same token, we don't recruit. I think you take this recruitment idea as a kind of axiom, as if there is no other conceivable way for people to turn out gay.

Since axioms are by definition accepted without question, you may never have asked yourself what other unexamined beliefs lie behind this one. For one thing, you must believe that people come into the world either asexual or heterosexual and are thereafter corrupted into homosexuality by the evil machinations of gay people. Please correct me if I am misrepresenting your view, but if I am correctly summarizing it, there is little that we can say to each other, for we are not starting with compatible premises.

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13ldchian(56 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

i'm not going to get involved in this conversation except to say who cares what consenting adults do? don't we have other more important things to occupy our minds? my god, who cares?

oh, and if anyone thinks they can change stan's mind, they have another think coming. his mind is closed to any discussion he disagrees with.

stan, who cares?

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14glbtactivist(249 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

It is sad that someone who calls themself a Christian would use their religion to attack the lifestile of millions of Americans. Over the centuries people who misunderstood or misinterpreted the Bible have done terrible things. The Bible has been misused to defend bloody crusades and tragic inquisitions; to support slavery, apartheid, and segregation; to persecute Jews and other non-Christian people of faith; to support Hitler's Third Reich and the Holocaust; to oppose medical science; to condemn interracial marriage; to execute women as witches; and to support the Ku Klux Klan. Shakespeare said it this way: "Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."

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15AtownParent(562 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8 - I am deeply sorry that someone felt the need to be juvenile and resort to vandalism during your celebration. Do not let the actions of few stop you from your right as a human being to be happy and safe. When will people get past this sexual orientation discrimination? Enough is enough already. It is 2008, not 1908.

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16JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan,

First and foremost shame on you, I can only hope that karma strikes and does so swiftly. Make sure you let the priest who filled your mind with this garbage know that the word is "deviant," not "deviate." If you're going to unfairly smear people you should at least get the words right.

My compliments to those who opened this center in spite of the ignorance and intolerance in the Valley.

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17Englishbme(1 comment)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Congratulations on the opening of the Stonewall Community Center. How exciting to have such a wonderful, welcoming center in our community.

Please know that we celebrate with you and that we continue to pray for those who allow the problems they have to critical thinking get in the way of appreciating another facet in Youngstown's continued growth. It’s unfortunate that ethnocentric people such as Stan, who resorts to quoting the bible but misses the part that says, “Love one another as I have loved you” (John 13:34), or those who feel breaking a window can break a spirit, respond in such a way.

Know that you are yet another great addition to our growing community, that you are welcomed, and that you are loved. Congratulations on your hard work and well-deserved success.

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18s_black(40 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I too support this addition to our community, which I believe is more full of free-thinking and intelligent people than the typical vindy thread would lead us to believe. I'm glad to see so many of these free-thinkers sharing their voices here.

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19leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Thanx to all of your support. The Pride Center is indeed a basic need in any community until sexual orientation becomes a non-issue. I would have said that that day will never come, just ask any African-American, but with the election of our first black President, possibilities are definitely opening up.

There would be nothing better than to have you, our straight allies, come to the Center and offer your help and support. We are hoping to do a Saturday phone bank open to the GLBT community who would like to call in for questions and support, or just someone to talk to. How great would it be to have straight allies helping man the phone to show callers that there is tolerance and love out in the community. We would also love our straight allies to join the Pride Center as a member. Even if you never came to a meeting we would appreciate your membership support of equality and could use the small membership fee to offer support to the GLBT community. click here to become a member or sponsor....http://www.youngstownpride.org/HOMEPAGE_files/Membership%20form.pdf

Again, we thank all of our straight allies for your support, and we we welcome all GLBT men and women to drop by for support, fellowship, and a safe environment.

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20saborsita(2 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Although I am please to the Vindicator to a piece on the Opening of the Stonewall Center, I find the title quite offensive. Not only does it imply that the LGTB community is an angry one, it also implies that they stand alone. They do not, infact they are warmly supported and loved by Allies, Friends and Family.

All Families Matter

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21Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

and I'm sick to death of the GAY MAFIA. California said NO to gay marriage and look what they have been doing. Marching, rioting, and on and on and on. Just because Hussein got elected, you don't see us conservatives out there marching and rioting and making a$$'s out of ourselves. You knew I couldn't not put my 2 cents worth in on this one.

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22Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

It looks like a one man gang has struck with multiple nicks. Many fresh registers. When lacking in support you support yourself! :) Jeff and spandex however would support anything loose.

Morality and the heterosexual community are the foundation of mans existence in this world.

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23George412(161 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I think rabid intolerance we're seeing here shows how great the need is for the Stonewall center.

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24Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

"rabid intolerance"

You are right. They are rabid and intolerant of heterosexuals. The gays feel a need for the Stonewall Center to promote their agenda but I would say that most of us heterosexuals dont share their excitement. For those who have tired of the gay lifestyle there is hope.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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25JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

First time I went to one of the sites you linked, Stan -- I was not disappointed. Probably one of the best examples of how religious cowards disguise bigotry and intolerance that I've ever seen; most importantly, more reason to avoid zealots like yourself at all costs.

I was particularly impressed with how the group was "disappointed" that eHarmony now has a site for homosexuals -- just like the Stonewall Center, if it's not your thing just don't go there...no need to demonize people exercising their right to assemble because their views differ from yours.

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26MillCreeked(24 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I'm glad to see so many Vindy reading like-minded progressives welcoming the Mahoning Valley Pride Center. I welcome this visible, proud, and positive group into our community and look forward to their support of the county's many gay, lesbian, transgender, and queer citizens.

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27Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Jeff:

So you fully support the agenda of the gay crowd but frown upon the rules set down by heterosexual propagation over the centuries? Even with more people like you promoting their gay agenda heterosexuals will continue on as we have since the beginning of time. I dont forsee the world being taken over by the gay revolution.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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28Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

GAY MAFIA - Sick of it!!! As is 98% of the world!!!

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29YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

All I have to say is WOW. I would like to believe that my morals are those of a decent Christian, and even I believe that everyone has the right to their own. To see so much hate for someone because of their sexual orientation is so sad.

Jesus stated that those without sin cast the first stone. I know I am not without sin, nor do I have the right to judge anyone on who they chose to be with.

God says to love the sinner, not the sin. But, honestly, who are we to judge on what a person's sin really is. There is only 1 man who can do that.

I say good for the Stonewall Center, good luck with your endeavors.

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30leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I am afraid most closed minds are sealed with superglue. As a thinking person, I went over Stan and Tomcat's past comments, to get some context. I have to say that Stan has actually posted some compassionate and nice things, (few and far between of course, but they are there.) Unfortunately he is obviously a religious zealot and therefore will never open his mind up to change or love his neighbor as God asks. He is only comfortable condemning that which he does not understand. It's sad, but not worth the time to comment on, because he will never change. You can also see as he posts his comments many times throughout the day, that he is unemployed or retired and lives for the comments he can give.

Tomcat on the other hand is just as close minded and if it doesn't come from the Republican platform, it's wrong, no matter how much it makes sense. His comments of course, have always been negaetive, and couldn't find anything positive he has said about anything. I do find funny that in some posts he derides that "same old youngstown thinking", yet uses, "gay mafia" and "environmental mafia" liberally to those that have opposing views from him. He has mafia on his brain, so who is really rooted in the "same old youngstown mentality?" His heart must be broken today that the supreme court refused to hear the Obama citizenship case, and will have a fresh supply of fire in his belly to go on for weeks about that conspiracy. The scary thing about Tomcat is that he was calling Obama, Obama for a long time and then suddenly switched to only referring to him as Hussein. This shows a sudden snap in behavior and could point to sociopathic tendency's. Hopefully he was just suddenly inspired by a good Rush Limbaugh show that day and it's nothing more.

Seriously, thanx to those of you with open minds and open hearts, you truly are the children of God, and not the wannabee's that are Stan and Tomcat. We look forward to doing good in and for the community, and have no agenda to push other than tolerance and equality. Thank you again.

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31DRDAVE1965(80 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

WELL SAID MUSIDORUS......EVER NOTICE THE PIC BY STANS NAME?.....I THINK HE HAS A CRUSH ON HULK HOGAN.....THAT WOULD BE FUNNY.

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32Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I find it quite humorous that you libs have me so nailed down to who i am, what i am and how i think. You must spend most of your time pouring over this dribble. How sad. Too bad you don't have anything better to do. GAY MAFIA, yep they certainly have changed my tolerance. (believe it or not I once did tolerate them) They have only themselves to blame.

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33Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8:

"His comments of course, have always been "negaetive"

"negative" (this is a newspaper, spelling counts, leftofstr8")

Now why would I be positive on homosexuality? It has not gained much acceptance beyond the gay community for many centuries. As for being compassionate, I have listed a way out of the gay lifestyle.

YoungstownMom:

Jesus did not say homosexuality is good go out and practice it. The bitterness that the gay crowd has for heterosexuals who dont give them their blessing is very evident.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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34George412(161 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofst8, did you also notice from his comments that Tomcat claimed that he was leaving to serve in Iraq? Add pathological liar to that list of personality disorders.

The Stonewall Center has support from many in the community.

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35Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

and who among you know where i am writing from. oh yee of all knowledge that is gay but not much else. what a bunch of idiots. i never told anyone exactly where i was. nice of you to make up stories. you are all very pathetic. one thing is nice, i can say what i want on this post and will continue if i choose. GAY MAFIA

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36dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Ok Stan let me ask you a question where you there for Jesus' teaching? NO! The people who wrote the Bible translated the teachings of Jesus/ God into their own words and understandings. So you explain to me how you know the Bible is 100% right? You can not!!! God created each person exactly the way they are, and that means those people who are gay. My human sexuality professor in college made that best staetment ever, he said, "Do you honestly think people choose to be in a race that is hated?" These people are no different then someone who is born white, black, with freckles, brown, black, or blonde hair, blue, brown, or green eyes. This is something they are born with not something they choose! Nothing in the Bible or excessive prayer will heal them! They are not sick!!!

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37cityguy(109 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Great to see the support on this post--I'd add that cities that promote diversity do better in attracting and retaining top companies--433 of the Fortune 500 have employment policies, deemed "pro-gay" by the radical right. I'd urge all of you who believe in equal rights to contact your legislators and urge them to vote for Senate Bill 305 and House Bill 502--the employment and housing non-discrimination acts. Currently in Ohio it is perfectly legal to fie an individual or deny one housing or even public accommodations based on perceived sexual orientation. Ohio is tied for last place with Alabama and Mississippi in terms of fair practice toward homosexuals.

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38JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan,

I promote tolerance and don't suppose that this country is composed of Christians alone, mine is a very basic point-of-view. If I have a problem with someone or a group of people I don't disguise it by citing religion and I come prepared to defend my position -- again, very basic. Without citing religion yours is a very basic position: you don’t like gay people. Luckily for you I don't imagine that too many gay people are all that concerned with your likes/dislikes and probably aren't longing for your approval.

The fact that the Valley has a good number of intolerant homophobes is not shocking – what is shocking is that they have the gall to try to use religion to justify their hate.

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39Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:

So you are right and all of Christianity is wrong?

"Jesus did not say homosexuality is good go out and practice it. The bitterness that the gay crowd has for heterosexuals who dont give them their blessing is very evident."

God said to "go forth and multiply"in Genesis in order to "replenish the Earth". I am having a hard time finding "you are the chosen ones go out and be gay".

Jeff:

So you are looking for more tolerance? What are you going to do if the Islamics take over? They dont preach as we Christians do and let the person make his or her own choice.

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40George412(161 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

"It truly is the time of Sodom and Gomorrah. Time for me to re-deploy. I wish you all the best. OOOOORaHHHH!!!"

Does that sound familiar, Tomcat? It should. You wrote it on June 21. You've had lots of access to the internet out there while fighting terrorists, haven't you? Your Iraq lie is an unforgiveably offensive affront to the many men and women who are REALLY serving.

Great post, cityguy, thanks for bringing new discussion to the table. The Stonewall Center will benefit the entire community.

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41Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Many civilizations of the past went through their cycles.

Sodom and Gomorrah were the gays Garden of Eden and they had control or did they?

Is there any evidence for the Biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction by fire and brimstone? What could happen today? Nukes from Iran? In New York City 9-11 was hell for those who experienced the destruction. The Islamic World calls us the great satan and they are bent on destroying the USA.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr...

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42Mr_MZ(2 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

If you heterosexuals are tired of homosexuals, stop having homosexual kids. As you've pointed out, we can't make more of ourselves, so this must be all on you.

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43JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan-

You lost me...not sure how the "Islamic" part came into play, but the fact that it did leads me to believe that yours is a disdain for all those who don't share your religious beliefs. Your equating a group of people who created a place where they could enjoy the company of like-minded people with terrorists reveals the depths of your hatred. (Is hate a big part of the Bible, too? Perhaps you have an abridged version.)

Yes, I'd have to say I hope for more tolerance...I would hope others would agree, that's not a bad thing to hope for.

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44midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

First and foremost, Stan. You are COMPLETELY wrong.
God had decided to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah before the angels had even got there.
First:
The word "homosexual" was not a part of the English Language until the year 1947. And- the bible teaches us that there are four types of love that are blessed by God.
Agape- the unconditional love of God
Noble- the love between a husband and wife- AND you and your partner!!!
Fillial- the love of sibligs "brotherly love" And:
Eros- the erotic love
-and let's face it: if God didn't want us to have sex...
HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE IT FEEL SO GOOD. (can I get an Amen?)
God is spirit and not gender! God does not want you fornicate (Objectifying another human being for the purpose of lust alone. Remember, the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit- and when you violate that- you are in esscence violating the temple of God.)
NOW Stan...READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY:
the word used in the times of the bible to describe a man that could not have sex with a woman was a "eunuch" and if you look at the definition of a eunuch- in Hebrew- it literally means: "bed-keeper"
ARE YOU FOLLOWING THIS? GOOD. KEEP LEARNING.
Eunuchs were "wounded in the testicles" or, ritualistically castrated in order to ensure that they would not have sex with the Queen. (or her handmaidens)
Eunuchs were the keepers of the Queen's bedchambers in the Royal Palaces of the Ancient world. In ancient times, they were also made to hold offices of HIGH RANK AND STATUS in the Royal Court. (a small exchange for the most unkind of unkind cuts- *ouch!)
They were often given positions of GREAT HONOR. The bible tells this. Some examples of Eunuchs in the bible are as follows:
Esther 1:15
“What must be done to Queen Vashti?” the king demanded. “What penalty does the law provide for a queen who refuses to obey the king’s orders, properly sent through his eunuchs?”
AND...
Acts 8:27 So he got up and went. And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch of great authority under Candace the queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship.
Well, in Matthew 19:11 JESUS HIMSELF speaks of the eunuchs and says:
"ALL CANNOT ACCEPT THIS EXCEPT THOSE TO WHOM IT HAS BEEN GIVEN! FOR THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE BORN EUNUCHS THUS FROM THEIR MOTHER'S WOMB- AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO WERE MADE EUNUCHS BY MEN, AND THOSE WHO CHOSE TO BECOME EUNUCHS FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN'S SAKE. THOSE TO WHOM THIS IS GIVEN, LET HIM ACCEPT IT."
"WE ARE BORN THE WAY THAT WE ARE! GOD HAS MADE US AND FASHIONED US IN THIS WAY! REGARDLESS OF WHAT "YOU PEOPLE" SAY:
(AND YEAH I WENT THERE- HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES, JUST IN CASE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.)

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45midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

LIKE: "YOU CHOSE YOUR SINFUL LIFESTYLE"
IT IS NOT A CHOICE. JESUS SAID SO. AND YOU JUST READ THE PROOF. SO..."STAN" READ THE BIBLE THAT YOU CLAIM YOU KNOW- AND WALK AS THE MAN OF GOD THAT YOU CLAIM TO BE. DID NOT JESUS SAY:
"HOW CAN YOU SAY TO YOUR BROTHER: BROTHER, LET ME REMOVE THE SPECK FROM YOUR EYE- AND IGNORE THE P L A N K IN YOUR OWN?"
KEEP LEARNING, STAN- THIS ONE MIGHT BE HARD FOR YOU TO GRASP...
MY BIBLE TEACHES ME THAT IN CHRIST JESUS THERE IS NO CONDEMNATION.
Regardless of what is said in any other passage of the bible about "men who lie with men" (God is spirit and not gender!)
SIDEBAR, STAN: LET'S TALK ABOUT THE BOOK OF LEVITICUS- IT AMAZES ME THAT YOU MISSED THE PART ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO WEAR TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF FABRIC ON YOUR BODY AT THE SAME TIME- OR NOT TOUCHING A WOMAN WHO WAS ON HER PERIOD OR YOU WOULD BE UNCLEAN FOR SEVEN DAYS. (IT'S ON THE SAME PAGE OF THE BIBLE THAT YOU CLAIM YOU READ) OR WERE YOU PICKING AND CHOOSING, STAN? GOD GAVE A V E R Y STERN WARNING TO THOSE WHO WOULD USE SCRIPTURE TO DIVIDE PEOPLE...
JEREMIAH 23:1
“WOE TO THE SHEPHERDS WHO ARE DESTROYING AND SCATTERING THE SHEEP MY PASTURE!” DECLARES THE LORD.
NOW WERE WAS I...OH, YEAH...KEEP LEARNING:
and "men who are kept for unnatural purposes" ( we are not emple prostitutes- study the worship of the Roman Goddess Cybele- which Paul was referring to in the book of Romans- and the story of Sodom (which was about forced, public RAPE- NOT TWO CONSENTING ADULTS WHO LOVE EACH OTHER) I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE THE WORDS OF JESUS. HOW ABOUT YOU?
THE DISIPLES OF JESUS KNEW THIS- BECAUSE WHEN PHILIP BAPTIZES THE EUNUCH IN THE BOOK OF ACTS-NOW REMEMBER WHEN I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE ENUNUCH OF GREAT ATHORITY IN ACTS 8:27? THIS IS THE SAME ONE.

THE BIBLE SAYS:
ACTS 8TH CHAPTER , VERSES 34 -39 And the eunuch said to Philip, I beg of you, tell me about whom does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else? 35)Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this portion of Scripture he announced to him the glad tidings of Jesus about him. 36)And as they continued along on the way, they came to some water, and the eunuch exclaimed, See, [here is] water! What is to hinder my being baptized? 37)And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart [if you have [l]a conviction, full of joyful trust, that Jesus is the Messiah and accept Him as the Author of your salvation in the kingdom of God, giving Him your obedience, then] you may. And he replied, I do believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38)And he ordered that the chariot be stopped; and both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and [Philip] baptized him. 39)And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord [[m]suddenly] caught away Philip; and the eunuch saw him no more, and he went on his way rejoicing.

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46midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

KEEP LEARNING STAN- HERE'S WHERE IT GETS GOOD:

NOW IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE- THAT DURING THE TIME THAT THIS PASSAGE WAS WRITTEN THE LAW OF MOSES WAS STILL IN EFFECT. IT WAS FORBIDDEN FOR ONE WHO WAS "WOUNDED IN THE STONES" OR WITH HIS "PRIVY MEMBER CUT OFF" TO JOIN THE CONGREGATION. PAUL HAD NOT BEEN CONVERTED YET, SO THE PAULINE REVELATION HAD NOT YET BEEN GIVEN- THAT JEWS AND GENTILES ARE ONE IN THE BODY OF CHRIST. GOD HAD NOT REVEALED THAT YET. SO IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY- IMPROBABLE EVEN, THAT PHILLIP- A JEW- WOULD HAVE ACTED CONTRARY TO THE LAW OF MOSES. PHILLIP MUST HAVE KNOW THAT THIS EUNUCH WAS IN FACT- A PHSICALLY INTACT MAN. IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT PHILLIP- BLESSED WAS GIVEN THE ANNOINTING TO HEAL. AT NO TIME DOE THE SCRIPTURE RECORD PHILLIP HEALED THE ENUCH OF BEING A EUNUCH. WHEN GOD ALLOWS SOMETHING THIS DRAMATIC TO HAPPEN- IT ALWAYS HAS A PURPOSE.

SO STAN, NOW THAT ALL OF YOUR "BIBLICAL DATA" HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY RIPPED TO SHREDS, AND YOUR RAMPANT USE OF THE "HOMOSEXUAL AGENDA"
(HOGWASH) HAS BEEN STRIPPED AWAY,

KEEP LEARNING, STAN- BECAUSE I'M ABOUT TO TURN THE LIGHT ON FOR YA...

let's make it ABUNDANTLY clear with the words of GOD HIMSELF. THE LAST WORD....THE "INFALLIBLE WORD OF GOD"

ISAIAH 56:4
4For thus says the Lord: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths and choose the things which please Me and hold firmly My covenant 5)To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial and a name better [and more enduring] than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that will not be cut off.

you can negotiate with Jesus...but you can't negotiate with God, Stan. My purpose, is not to make you feel bad, or to even change the way that you think. The Holy Spirit will CONVICT you...not CONDEMN you...(as you have been doing with all of your hateful posts. Shame on you Stan...you should know better.

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47midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

ONE MORE THING..."STAN"

THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT MEANS OF BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION.
"LITERAL" (FUNDAMENTAL) AND "HISTORICAL-CRITICAL" TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE CLIMATE OF THE TIME OVER 2000 YEARS AGO AT THE TIME THAT THIS TEXT WAS WRITTEN. DURING THE TIME LEVITICUS WAS WRITTEN, THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WERE WANDERING IN THE WILDERNESS FOR FORTY YEARS. THEY CAME IN CONTACT WITH ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE, THE HAD JUST LEFT 400 YEARS OF BONDAGE IN EGYPT, THE RAN ACROSS THE CANAANITES, THE GREEKS, ROMANS, ASSYRIANS, AND BABYLONIANS,

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48midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

ALL OF WHOM (IF YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK ON WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME) PRACTICED PAGAN RITUALS WHERE ENTIRE FAMILIES HAD SEX WITH ONE ANOTHER IN ORDER TO ENSURE FERTILITY.

THAT

WAS

THE

"ABOMINATION"

AND YOUR USE OF THE WORD "DEVIATE" IS JUDGMENTAL- SO BE CAREFUL "STAN" DIDN'T JESUS SAY:

"JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED?"

AND

"WHATSOEVER YOU DO TO THE L E A S T OF MY PEOPLE, THAT YOU DO UNTO ME?"

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49midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

The Bible- Stan...is truly, a WEAPON.

Questions?

Comments?

Concerns?

ANY?

Thanks for reading my rant, everyone- but people like this need to be set "straight" (snicker*)

Below are links to spiritual self defense for LGBT Christians Walk in love and light- and don't let anybody tell you differently!

REMEMBER: JESUS SAID- "YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUIT."

http://www.whosoever.org/v2i4/self_de...

http://www.blogcatalog.com/blogs/gay-...

http://www.gaychristian101.com/

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50leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

WOW.....can you come to our next panel discussion on gays and Midtown29? I am just sorry that Stan will not be able to comprehend what you have said. Those who shroud themselves in religion, especially when alone like Stan is, it becomes a mask, and soon the only face they recognize in the mirror.

Stan and others like him, religious or not, cant seem to comprehend that hate in any form, tells more about themselves than the people they condemn or hate. While no one here has condemned the heterosexual lifestyle, his mind wont let him see that. The truly ironic and remarkable thing is that even though he uses God to condemn, it is our GLBT community that is actually praying for him. That he actually reads the New Testament and learns that love is real commandment. Thanx for your words Midtown.

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51bobhogue(102 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Kudos to Midtown29 for such an extensive piece of research and evidence and to Cityguy for pointing out the hope for equal rights contained in Senate Bill 305 and House Bill 502.

In this long thread, I think my favorite two sentences are from JeffLebowski: "If it's not your thing just don't go there...no need to demonize people exercising their right to assemble because their views differ from yours."

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52ts1227(137 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I would also like to show my support of the Stonewall Center and wish them the best in achieving their goals. With the large uneducated, ignorant population of this area, it will be rough, but stick it out!

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53cityguy(109 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan wrote: "My, my, my. The so called tolerant ones are just over themselves at the mere suggestion that deviate lifestyles may not be normal."

This argument, spouted by the radical right cracks me up. I think that Gays would tell you they have "tolerated" the straight majority for years. But the attempts to deny basic civil rights and protections to gay and lesbian Americans is about a little bit more than "tolerance" don't ya think, Stan? Even more shaky is the whole Christian argument--last time I checked, the rights and privileges of citizenship do not require adherence to any religious doctrine whatsoever--remember that old document, what do they call it? Oh yeah, The Constitution!

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54Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Jeff who seeks not just tolerance but approval from those so called hateful Christians is not sure how the Islamic part came into play. Well Jeff they have far less tolerance than the Christians.

"According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association ILGA there are at least seven countries today which still retain capital punishment for homosexuality: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen. The situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear."

Here in the USA we preach against homosexuality but leave it up to the individual to make his or her choice. Gays continue as they have for centuries to seek approval from the heterosexual society.

ANOTHER MINISTRY SHOWING THE WAY
http://www.johnhamelministries.org/ho...

“For this reason God gave them over …to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one... The men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze …with lust for one another – men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrongdoing …” (Romans 1:26,27 Amplified Bible)

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55Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Hey Boy George. How in hell do you know where I was, where I am, what I am and who I am. I would just love to know that answer. Yee of all things Gay.

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56dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: Everyone has the same rights no matter what! As for you quoting the Bible. You are insane and forget one major teaching of the Bible:"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." That is the greatest of all the commandments. This mean to be good everyone. So if you are treating people this way, then we can honestly see what you think about yourself, and how you treat yourself. Also Jesus nor God wrote the Bible themselves. It was interpreted by each and every writer differently. Have you ever read the differnet versions of Bible out their for the different religions? None are exactloy the same. It's like playing telephone. Someone tells someone something. As it goes from person to person things are forgotten so the person adds their own twist on it for the things they forgot. Do you see my point? A little FYI i am a hetrosexual and my religious faith is Catholic. And if I am not mistaken Stan, Catholic are supposed to be some of the worst when it comes to homosexuality and even abortion. It's called having an open mind and realizing God created every person just they way they are, and loves them too. How are you to tell everyone what God does or does not think. You are not Him, and I'm guessing you have never had a face to face with Him to know His thoughts!

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57Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:

"Jesus did not say homosexuality is good go out and practice it. The bitterness that the gay crowd has for heterosexuals who dont give them their blessing is very evident."

I have already covered your ideology. Yes, it is not quite a Roman Catholic profile. I promote heterosexuality and life. You on the other hand promote homosexuality and abortion. So now you now call me insane? Since I dont support you that is proof that I am not insane.

THE WHO'S WHO OF PROPHECY
http://raptureready.com/who/John_Hage...

"America stands at the crossroads. Our destiny as a nation hangs in the balance. America's hope for survival is the anointed preaching of the gospel with such force that the chains of drug addiction, AIDS, Satanism, homosexuality, pornography, divorce and drunkenness are broken" explained Dr. Hagee. He believes that the most effective way to reach America and the world is through the most powerful communications weapon ever known to man ... television. "

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58JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan,

The person you quote above (John Hagee) also said that Hurricane Katrina was the result of God's anger that a gay pride parade was going to be held in New Orleans. This was before John McCain basically refused his endorsement and after he used his church bulletin to propose selling slaves as a fund-raiser for high school seniors ("The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave.").

Keep on "preaching God's word," Stan...God won’t forget it.

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59Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

So Jeff:

Now you are picking on John Hagee? Back during my schooldays, girls would bid on football jocks to carry their books and as a date for the after game dance. It raised money and was harmless fun. So what is your beef? Too heterosexual? Katrina did wipe out New Orleans with a vengeance. If it was Gods intention to eliminate the gay parade it worked. Are you having a gay parade on Poland Avenue for Youngstown to have a cultural experience in 2009?

As a member of the heterosexual community I have seen the bitterness that the gay crowd has for heterosexuals who dont give them their blessing . I dont give my blessing for homosexuality but do have enough compassion to support anyones choice to leave that lifestyle.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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60Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Hey Stan,
I wonder if they all "called in Gay" today and didn't go to work. Did you also notice they call themselves "activists". Well that says it all doesn't it. We are just talking to the wall here. Their deviate lifestyle will not change no matter how much you try. I just call them all the GAY MAFIA.

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61leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

That's mighty big of you Stan, you give me your blessing to leave the homosexual lifestyle? So that's your litmus test? Good thing you weren't Jesus, or half the bible would never have been written. You see Stan, you can't preach selective compassion on a society and be a Christian, it is not possible. One is not the other, and never will be. I hope Exodus is giving you a stipend for every link you use, you will be a very rich man indeed from this post. I am not sure that we got it the first 10 times.

Yours is a closed heart Stan, and I have so much pity for you that it makes my heart ache. A Christian with no Christ in him....is that really what you want to be? You have proven it over and over again. Have you noticed that not even the straight people posting here are listening to you Stan? We all pity you and your lonely life you have chosen to lead. How is it that I am gay and have many people who love me and feel loved all the time and you are a supposed Christian with no one loving you? That should be your answer Stan.

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62George412(161 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8, I'm one of the straight people who counts you among my friends (if I'm correct in my guess as to who you are, and I think I am). Don't let the words of exactly two clearly mentally unstable people get to you. They might be listening to each other, but no one else is listening to them.

Support equality: http://www.equalityohio.org/

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63JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

You are beyond belief, Stan; prior to this thread I thought you were just an average conservative, now I see that you have literally nothing to add to an intelligent conversation. Your comments make me laugh while at the same time make me very sad that people like you really exist in my hometown.

I won't dignify T-cat's typically ignorant post beyond pointing out that the word "activist" was used by the award-winning journalists at the Vindicator, not by those who opened the community center...since T-cat clearly doesn't read well I'll also add (again) that the term is "deviant." I'll even use it in a sentence (you'll like this one Stan): "A Roman Catholic diocese in southwestern Illinois has posted $5.9 million bond to cover a judgment awarded to a former altar boy who was sexually abused by a deviant priest."

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64Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Who was talking to you anyway Activist Deviant. I was talking to Stan.

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65dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: God is not a mean or vengeful. There is no way God would have made so many homeless or dead just cause the gay parade was going to be there. You guys are screwed up in the head. God is love! Sorry I am an open minded person who actually believe people should have the freedom to be who they are, and have privacy in their lives!

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66JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Just trying to help illuminate you, T-cat. I hadn't seen one of your mind-numbing posts in a while and I got excited. My bad. The "activist deviant" thing was clever though. For real.

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67JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

(BTW, T-cat, I was the one who voted your comment "good." Let's bury the hatchet. Let a little love in your heart.)

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68Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Well Tomcat:

I have my doubts that they have any jobs to call off from. Mommy and Daddy must be at work and they have the home computer all for themselves. Have you noticed how juvenile their perception of life is. Being an activist for them is finding lots of new friends to love them. Too bad that they cant divert all that energy into finding true love by raising a family as husband and wife. At some point in life they will realize that I was right but by then they will be to old and feeble to have any future.

dmets and others:

For those who think that life is cart blanche think again. Your life will only be as solid as the foundation that it is built on. If your life is not going well dont curse the heterosexual community. All throughout the ages homosexuals have had a shaky existence. The next upcoming years will not be any different. Rebel against society and do your thing but it will have its price.

Life is what you make of it. When someone shows you the path and you deviate from it all that befalls you rests on your shoulders soley.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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69midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

WRONG AGAIN STAN:

There are many examples of same sex couples in the bible...here's one.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/David-...

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70midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Romans 1:26-27

"For this cause [idolatry] God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

THIS IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO RIGHT, STAN?

WELL...W R O N G A G A I N.

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71midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

In Romans 1, Paul addressed a particular religious situation in the city of Rome. Traditionalists view Paul’s words in vs. 26-27, especially the phrase against nature as a universal prohibition of homosexuality, a generic prohibition of any and all homoerotic practice. This view ignores the context of Paul’s argument and the most basic rule of hermeneutics.

Scripture cannot mean now what it did not mean then.

Paul’s words in Romans 1 are neither generic nor theoretical. In Romans 1, Paul was addressing a real situation faced by Christians in first century Rome. He was not making a sweeping, universal condemnation of any and all same sex activity, divorced from the cultural and historical context of his argument against idolatry.

If Paul's words in Romans 1:26-27 were not a universal reference to homosexuality in the first century, then Romans 1:26-27 are not a universal reference to homosexuality now.

Reading into the text what Paul did not say (a universal prohibition of homosexuality) is called eisogesis - wrongly interpreting the text. That kind of faulty interpretation is unworthy of Christians who love the word of God.

Paul's words to the Christian community in ancient Rome come from his knowledge of the first century world in which he lived. His carefully tailored argument in Romans 1 is set in the specific context of Gentile and Jewish history, complete with first century illustrations familiar to his first century readers.

Paul’s readers were intimately acquainted, as we are not, with Greek, Jewish and Roman culture and the shrine prostitution which permeated those ancient cultures.

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72midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

GAY PEOPLE ARE NOT TEMPLE PROSTITUTES STAN. TRY AGAIN, DO YOUR HOMEWORK NEXT TIME.

What else ya got Stan? I can do this all day
:-)

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73midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

moving on...As residents of the Imperial City, ancient Romans personally observed the thousands of statues of false gods, the hundreds of pagan temples, the pagan worshipers thronging the grand streets for religious festivals. Commentators who ignore the historical and religious context of Romans 1 entirely miss the point of Paul's argument against idolatry and shrine prostitution.

Fertility goddess worship and shrine prostitution flourished in first century Rome and are precisely what Paul addressed in Romans 1.

Attempts by nongay Christians, to divorce Romans 1 from its historical context are due more to their support of an anti-gay agenda than a desire to honestly understand Romans 1.

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74midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Factual information is a wonderful antidote for ignorance.
Cybele the fertility goddess (this Link will open in a new page) was worshiped throughout the Roman Empire and was also depicted on Roman coins. It is impossible to separate Paul's words in Romans 1 from the fertility goddess worship that permeated first century Rome.

In the heart of Rome, a temple to Cybele was constructed in 194 BC. When fire destroyed the original temple, Augustus rebuilt it in 3 BC.

Cybele, a prominent first century fertility goddess, was sometimes called (Magna Mater) or Great Mother and (Mater Deum) or Mother of the gods. First century Romans worshiped her as the Sacred Protectress of Rome.

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75midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

(this information is found on http://www.gaychristian101.com/Romans...

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76midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Anything else Stan? And just one more thing...why oh why would you be spending so much time on this..."issue" if you weren't wrestling with something yourself?

Most straight men don't care about what gay people do...You on the other hand, have CLEARLY given this a LOT of thought. Care to share anything with the group, "STAN?"

(I really could do this all day)

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77leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Hey George, thanx for the nice words and of course we are friends, brothers in PR and all that, =). Actually Stan and Tomcat don't get to me at all. We know that ignorance is bliss and these guys are as blissful as you can get, lol.

I have been at this long enough that you cant change the minds of zealots and bigots, but for me, it's just a little fun to try. I have to admit, and I probably shouldn't, that there is a method to my madness. You see, the way Vindy.com works, is that the more comments to the story, the higher it ranks on the home page and keeps the story viable and in peoples minds. Thanx to the rantings of Stan and Tomcat, our story has remained consistently at third since Sunday. I want more people to know the Pride Center is open, so right thinking allies such as yourself can see it and be aware. So although I find them both ignorant and insufferable. They are in a way, helping our GLBT community, so thank you boys.

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78Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

midtown29:

"Anything else Stan? And just one more thing...why oh why would you be spending so much time on this..."issue" if you weren't wrestling with something yourself?

Most straight men don't care about what gay people do...You on the other hand, have CLEARLY given this a LOT of thought. Care to share anything with the group, "STAN?"

So now you think that I'm OK and you want me to join your group? Well I would be flattered if you joined my Christian Heterosexual group. This subject of homosexuality is very controversial and Jesus and I both love you but not your way. I guess that you could say that Jesus selected me to show you the path.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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79saysithowitiz(98 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

What I find amazing is the amount of tolerance for the gay and lesbian community in Youngstown but a complete lack of respect for people of different races. I support the gay community as well and am open to everyone's opinion. However, it's funny how we have been dealing with race relations for hundreds of years, an issue that affects millions of Americans, but yet it seems less progress has been made there than toward the more recent, up and coming gay pride movement. Youngstown, it's time to put ALL of our differences aside and get our city back!

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80George412(161 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofst8, oh, now I know who you are (I actually thought you were someone else)! Hello, friend!

midtown, please keep going. I guess I could say that Jesus selected you to show us the path.

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81midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

ROFL- Stan, you are truly "special"

NEVER did i say you were OK.

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82midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Oh..and Stan? why don't you join OUR group...it's called the human race.

George, I haven't lived in Youngstown for over twenty years, I was born there...and something just told me to look at this site- I'm glad I did.

So Stan, I have theologically shot down every hateful argument that you have. You have yet to show me, or anyone else for that matter ANYTHING to back up one word that you have said thus far. It is my hope- Stan- that your "choice" of scriptural interpretation- without any research at all on the climate of the time- is the reason for you bigotry and intolerance. It is my prayer for you Stan- that you are able to love yourself someday- and to quote Glenda from the wizard of OZ...

"Come out, Come out wherever you are!"
:-)

THERE YOU STAND- IN YOUR SPLENDID IGNORANCE.

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83dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Hey stan: My life and foundation is very solid. I think you forgot one thing. I am a hetrosexual who is married. I am just saying I am open minded. I have friends who are gay, and that it just fine with me. You need to be more open minded is all I am saying. You know there are many organizations that have place they go to, to hang out or have meeting. Like the vetans, germans, greeks, italians. so why can the they too?

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84Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:

Solid? Shaky is the proper term. You have underlying issues. Just remember how quick our economy collapsed. I wish you the best but life is what you make of it. The gay center on Poland Avenue is a magnet for many people with unstable lives. They will find no stability there.

midtown29:

So there goes the relationship. Now I'm not OK? Is it the heterosexual promoting bit that turns you off? Well then you have a ways to go before you can join my group. If you stay on the path you will get there. Get off the path and you will be on a collision course with destiny. I wish you the best.

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85dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: How can you tell me my foundation is shaky? You do not know me at all. YOu go by what I type on here. The gay center is a place for these people to have acceptance and love. As you can see with people like you in this world they can not get love like God has told us to do. Who are you to judge these people? You are not God! They say what if a God was one of us? You treat anybody this way will not get you a place in heaven. All you give is ridicule and hate. This is the giving time of year, but you are supposed to give love. YOu seem too miss the whole meaning of actually being a Christian! By the way you are the one on a collision course with destiny!

midtown29: Stan hides behind his interpretations of the Bible. Cause common you know he is right, lol! He just doesn't seem to realize that everyone reads and interpretates the Bible differently. Just like it has been writen differently by many different writers. He just needs to open his eye to the way the times have changed, and stop being so close minded!

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86bluegill(21 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

WOW! The only thing missing from all of that was Jerry Springer and a couple good punches!

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87bpwells(3 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I have been watching the comments on this discussion board for some time and have been fascinated by the dialogue. As a member of the Mahoning Valley Pride Coalition, I am extremely proud of the work being done at the Center. We have many people, gay and straight, working tirelessly to help provide a better life for others in our community. From participating in Operation Holiday Cheer (sending Christmas cards to our troops) to providing support to young adults experiencing hatred such as what is being expressed on these boards, our members are anything but unstable. They are hard working Americans who want a better life for themselves and those in the Mahoning Valley.

Stan, I must say, I do NOT think Jesus would want you as HIS spokesperson. I grew up going to church and my church focused on the love Jesus shared and how he spent his time with the people who were considered the outcasts of society. Somehow, many Christians (and I hesitate to call them such) have lost sight of Jesus' message. As a Christian, you should be practicing what Jesus practiced--embracing those who are different from yourself (and yes, saysithowitiz, it should be ALL people!) instead of preaching intolerance and working to convince people they are immoral. Then again, none of us perfect, right?

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88Rocco(99 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Hey, I was reading this too and I sure like that "GAY MAFIA" one. You hit the nail on the head Tomcat.

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89Gatsby(4 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Quite honestly, only in small-town Bible Belt cities, like Youngstown, do people still debate the validity of alternate lifestyles.

Fortunately, the people opposed to lifestyles unlike their own — the ones who still provoke these nonsense debates — are dying out.. and fast.

The proof is in the numbers. Look at the ratings in favor of same-sex marriage in EVERY STATE across America: they are on the rise year after year.

Second, the only agenda gays have is for equality.

And as for Exodus International, the American Psychiatric Association declared the ex-gay movement ineffective, if not completely unfeasible, YEARS ago. But people like Stan and Tomcat don't believe in legitimate research.

They like their facts and figures tweaked, falsified and completely untrue.

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90Rocco(99 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

You know, you gay, lesbians, bi's, trans and whatever you all are, can talk all you want. You will never change the fact that it is a sick lifestyle and you will never change the minds of the majority of the straight folks on that subject. Keep on wishing.....

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91Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Well dmets:
"He just needs to open his eye to the way the times have changed, and stop being so close minded!"

I keep my eyes open and I can assure you that gay is not the way. So you think that now is the time to capitulate to the gay revolution?

So Gatsby thinks that same sex marriages are the rage of the future? Some people may want to marry an animal. Should we consider that also? Marriage in the human race is a man and woman joining in matrimony and sharing their genetic pool with their children. Now is this too hard to understand?

The agenda of the gay and lesbian movement it to leave the subject of sex wide open with nothing off limits. Care to dispute this? Society has placed restrictions on marriage to only include a man and a woman for good reason. Gays are not content to live together with all the rights as the rest of society. Why isn't this good enough? They want to be legitimized by marriage. Sorry but you haven't convinced me or the majority of heterosexuals the need for this. Propagation of the species always has and always will take top priority.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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92Gatsby(4 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan, no one would ever consider legalizing animal-human marriages, nor multi-partner marriages, or whatever else your rhetorical argument can conjure. Argument flaw number 1 on your part.

Bible camp is a bigger slippery slide than gay marriage.

Also, I'm not the one misunderstands the meaning of marriage, if your belief is that 'marriage is for breeding,' because as long as the old, impotent and unwilling are allowed to marry, your definition is plainly WRONG (argument flaw number 2).

Please view the dozens of other countries allowing same-sex marriage. They have not fallen in the sea.

As for "gay marriage being all the rage," I don't know. I'm sure straight men aren't dropping their girlfriends, fiances and wives to go out and get one. However, the one thing you can't dispute is that you're on the losing end of an argument (number 3).

As for your blaring promotion of Exodus International, I'd be led to believe you're a supposed "ex gay." And I hope that's working out for you.. But if not, I hear there are some new gay establishments you might be interested in :)

And Rocco, what do you NOT get about the numbers? Gay marriage is inevitable, my friend. The majority is agreeing, no matter how loud and ignorant you would like to be.

Deal with it.

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93dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: there have always been gay people. You do realize it is people like you who have kept them in the closet for many many years. It's not some new "disease" like you treat it. The is no "cure"! Now poeple want to put themselves first and not kiss people's butts.

To Rocco and Sran: Please, your telling me as a guy you would not like to see girl on girl action, or a threesome, never a thought in your brain once in your life time? If your answers are no to them, you must not be a functioning male.

Stan: you do realize that gay people are born to hetrosexuals, right?

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94Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Gatsby:

No danger of my falling the gay way. The babes have always looked good. As for exodus many are glad that they are there for them when they tire of the gay way. I support their compassion and understanding. Gay is truly a dead end street.

Extending marriage beyond the traditional is a slipery slope.
"The agenda of the gay and lesbian movement it to leave the subject of sex wide open with nothing off limits. Care to dispute this? "
This is the slippery slope that would open marriage into yet unimaginable realms.Propagation of the species always has and always will take top priority when it comes to marriage.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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95George412(161 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

A "slippery slope" argument is a logical fallacy.

http://www.unc.edu/depts/wcweb/handou...

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96Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Well dmets:

During my younger days my date insisted that I bring two of her friends along and find them dates. I managed to find one girl a date and the other was a tag along. We were headed to a YMCA dance. Now to having a couple of babes in the sack, I wasn't into exhibition or sharing.

During days gone by gays were treated for their mental condition until society was overwhelmed with the costs. They were then left to fend for themselves. Today it will be no different. Aids treatment will be ovewhelmed with costs and then the victims will be on their own.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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97Rocco(99 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Gaysby - it's the pot calling the kettle black - you call ME "loud and ignorant". Now that's a joke.

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98dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: I can not wait until the day the do come out with the fact that someone who is gay is born that way . They already have some proof, but are working on stronger case. Then you will see that God did create them just as they are. Now with your statement for going to dances at YMCA, you really dated yourself. So i can understand more why you views are they way they are. Many people your age are just set in their ways and not open to anything at all.

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99Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:
Set? The word is educated! The gay bit back a few years was no different than now. God created mankind. Your mother gave birth to you. What you did with your life was up to you. If you lived a deviate lifstyle what would you expect? Yes, it is far better to not get the disease than to seek the cure. Can a person be cured of homosexuality? Many have turned their lives around and no longer have that burden. Gods gift to you was life. Your gift to God is what you do with that life.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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100leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan, Stan, Stan, we can no more think you will "turn" gay, than you can think we will "turn" straight. It is not possible. Can some of the poor souls who get brainwashed at Exodus not have homosexual sex anymore? Sure, and they will live a life that is false and brainwashed, and not live the life that God intended them to.

As I said in my post waaaaaay up there, it is obvious that you are old, and retired, and have no life other than to comment on others. Unfortunately you live a life that is almost as sad as those who have been subject to Exodus brainwashing. You have been so closed minded, and cant see the change that is happening all around you. I am sure you are having a lot of trouble with a black President as well.

I am definitely praying for you Stan...no not to be gay, stop being stupid, we dont want anyone to be anything but what they are, and that others will just love one another and not worry about what is happening in someone elses bedroom. Besides the sex Stan, we all want the same things, happiness, family, friends, a career, and to be able to make a difference. (now don't get excited Stan and think you got me that I want a family. You see, God put us here to adopt all of the babies that you wont let be aborted by unfit or unready mothers, like most religious zealots, you are pro-life, but just until the baby is born, then you dont want to be bothered by them, that would be social services.)

Rocco, don't know what to say to you. You seem like a thinking man, that refuses to think. Open your mind, and realize that your masculinity is safe if you are open and have gay friends, we dont all want you.

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101jpagani(7 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I only have one question for Stan, Rocco, and Tomcat.

How does two men or to women getting married affect you personally? I am not talking religiously affect you I mean personally. Would your homelife be affected if two men got married tomorrow?

Which by the way I have seen gay couples last 10 times longer than heterosexual marriages. I personally know a man who has been with the same man for over 16 years. Almost unheard of now with a more than 50% divorce rate in this country. So you think that gays are not for equality but they want more? Here is a scenerio for you. A man marries a woman, next day she is on his health insurance policy however that gay couple I talked about before who have been together longer can not have that same right? Or the lesbian couple that had been together for over 20 years, one of them was dying of terminal cancer and in an intensive care unit. Her family disowned her when she came out of the closet so her partner was the only family she had. However her partner could not go and visit her in the hospital because she was not considered a "family member". If I am not mistaken she died alone asking for her partner. You tell me that gays want more I am telling you all they want are equality.

I am also very glad that something like Stonewall opening in the Youngstown area. It was too long in coming. Way too many gays had to leave the area because of bigotry and intolerance. And Stan, Rocco, and Tomcat have proven that it was needed back then over and over again with their posts. Hopefully that time has come to an end.

I have been following this thread for some time now and it makes me so proud to hear all of the support that the gay community now has in my hometown and it has actually made me swell with pride and now when someone asks where I proudly say Youngstown, Ohio!!!

Special message for Tomcat -
If you really are in Iraq, I hope I never met up with you when I was there. Because if I had and known who you were I am not so sure my weapon wouldn't have malfunctioned and fired off a shot. My husband is still currently over there right now. So if you are...let's hope you don't meet up with him. Because that is an Infantryman who believes in tolerance and love. Not spreading lies and hate.

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102clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

WOW! I too have been following this thread for some time and now am totally confused....JP, you are a guy and your husband is a guy and you both were in Iraq? You said you would have accidentally shot Tomcat, but now maybe if your husband meets him he might do the same? I don't think the military is in Iraq to be on the look-out for those who don't support the gay movement, unless of course they are the enemy, in the factual term. I think that how you have made your comments re-inforces Tomcats agenda. Many (not all) gays have a viscious streak in them, and I think maybe Tomcat has seen this, which is the reason for his vehement disapproval. Your comments prove his sentiments. As for you bible thumpers, thump all you want, God made it clear the first time.....when he made Adam and Eve.enough said.

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103undead76(63 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

People are getting worked up over a guy who uses Hulk Hogan as an avatar? He is obviously a bully who has nothing better to do than this. I see Hulk Hogan in almost every article, but I generally skip it because he has nothing useful to say. Getting back to the article... who gives a @%$#? I have enough stuff going on in my life that I do not have time to worry about what other people are doing in there bedrooms.

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104jpagani(7 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

ok Clayor are you completely retarded or have you been living under a rock for the past 70 some odd years? There are women in the military who fight along side men in the war. I happen to be one of them, I am home right now pregnant and taking care of my two year old. So good job on the assessment of who I am. I talked about my husband to make sure that it was known that I was a straight woman. So I will clarify, I am a straight, happily married woman and mother who is active duty Army and has been serving this country for the past 7 years. Anything else to say?

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105George412(161 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

jpagani, it was obvious that you were a straight woman, but these bigots think that anyone who is an ally in the pursuit of gay equality must also be gay. They can't think beyond their own narrow views. I hope you and your husband are both well, and thank you for your service.

undead, I'm right with you.

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106Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Now lets start at the beginning. GOD created Adam and Eve. If he was pro gay he would have created Adam and Steve!

"Can some of the poor souls who get brainwashed at Exodus not have homosexual sex anymore? Sure, and they will live a life that is false and brainwashed, and not live the life that God intended them to."

Exodus is just undoing the brainwashing that they got in the first place that put them in the gay lifestyle. Mankind like a microprocessor can be programmed to do good or bad. We prefer that you be programmed to do good and lead a full life. Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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107Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

jpagani:
"Special message for Tomcat -
If you really are in Iraq, I hope I never met up with you when I was there. Because if I had and known who you were I am not so sure my weapon wouldn't have malfunctioned and fired off a shot. My husband is still currently over there right now. So if you are...let's hope you don't meet up with him. Because that is an Infantryman who believes in tolerance and love. Not spreading lies and hate."

So you threaten those who don't share your views with death by gunfire?

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108jpagani(7 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

no I don't threaten just anyone. The military is not a place for discrimination, racisim or sexism as a hispanic female in the military I have come across it all. I fight for peoples rights, that is what we do in the military. EVERYONE'S right. Tomcat is just proving that he is a disgrace to the uniform that I wear every day.

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109JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

It's funny to hear people who constantly cite religious propaganda talk about other people being brainwashed.

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110Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

jpagani:

"no I don't threaten just anyone."

Duly noted. So you are selective of who you threaten with gunfire?

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111jpagani(7 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan you really need to quit analyzing what people are saying you actually do a horrible job at it. I was trained to analyze and you obviously weren't. All I said was my weapon could have malfunctioned and if you know anything about M4's that kind of stuff happens all the time. Nothing you can do to prevent it since you have ammo on you at all times over there.

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112Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

jpagani:

So now you want to recover your threat?

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113jpagani(7 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

what threat? I am no longer in Iraq

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114Rocco(99 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

That jpagani is one sicko....scarry.....yea, i really like that GAY MAFIA thing. It fits.

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115leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

well jpagani, thank you for your support, but I am afraid I am with the other guys, where it sounded like you wouldnt be sorry if you "accidentally" shot Tomcat. Let's for sake of argument say you were just speaking metaphorically. Violence does not do anyone any good.

Act Up, an organization of GLBT and their supporters that first got the attention of the mainstream media had a place, once upon a time. Violence is never the right answer, but I understand when it gets used sometimes, it's the sqeakiest wheel getting fixed, and it draws attention, but I it cant be seen as right. (effective however)

As frustrating and ignorant as the Stan's and Tomcat's and whomever are, they are the minds that will intolerant and unloving to their fellow man (or woman) no matter what they disagree with. The ignorance of statements such as Stan's about being recruited or led into the gay lifestyle is just absurd. This is who I am and who I have always been. I have always been attracted to men only, I was never molested, I had both parents, I had great straight friends, but that just wasnt who God made me. Yes God Stan. You are right, God made Adam and Eve, then told them to go out and propegate the world. There was no addendum that they would be only straight offspring. Do you read the New Testament Stan? Do you believe in Jesus? Please tell me where in the Bible Jesus EVER says anything about homosexuality. There are authors that have been translated to assume such, but never did Jesus say anything, and he is who I choose to emulate Stan. He told me to love one another as you do me. He said he had favored apostles, and there have been translations that he meant lovers. You are old Stan, but not that old, you werent there. Let God settle it in the end, the GLBT community is not worried. You shouldnt be either Stan, it will be alright. I promise none of us want to marry you, or Tomcat. Breathe Stan, Breathe

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116Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8:

"He said he had favored apostles, and there have been translations that he meant lovers."

So now you are trying to say that Jesus way gay and that your way is down the path of righteousness ? You are almost as whacky as jpagani wanting to shoot people for their views. To blasphemy Jesus is really getting low. Sorry but that theory just doesn't have any validity. Gay lifestyles are a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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117leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I am not saying I believe it Stan, read the whole passage, I was saying that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, but you sure seem to be doing a lot of talking for him. I said it has been translated that way, just as it has been mistranslated before. You are the one that are blasphemying Jesus Stan, he said to love each other, that is my greatest commandment, and you have proved blasphemous to that time and time again over all your posts on here. Repent Stan, Repent

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118s_black(40 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I've been watching this thread, and I had to point this out. Did anyone else notice that Stan has hit the 300 comment mark...in only five months? He's made, I'm guessing, more than 20 on this thread. He's not going to stop posting that exodus link. Keep on fighting if you want to, but clearly, the man has all day. LOL. I know this because Stan and I mixed it up on a thread a few weeks ago, and he actually waited for me to click on one of his links and then posted a comment acknowledging my "uptick" when I did. This is the stuff of stalkers and people with serious obsessive personality disorders. I say ignore the hulkster and get on with your lives.

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119bobhogue(102 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

With all due respect to those who have posted well-researched Biblical references (thanks, Midtown29 and others) and to those who post dogma: Biblical references don't matter!

Our nation is not founded on the Bible. It is founded on the Constitution. Yes, there are references to "God" in a number of our country's official documents. It’s even on our currency.

But whose "God" is being referenced?

Is it the God of those who rely on literal, even hyper-literal, interpretations of the Bible? Those whose beliefs would abridge the rights of others?

Or is it the God of those who have faith in a supreme being who is kind, compassionate, and welcoming to those who believe in the right to commitment and intimacy to another person, whether that person is of the same or opposite gender?

My vote is for the latter.

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120clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

JP, yes I do have something to say....thank you for your service, but be careful of how you phrase your comments, making threats, however simply made, are threats, nontheless. Tomcat is out there somewhere, now probably waiting for an "accident" to happen. Think before you write, or proofread what you have written before posting.

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121hvacguy(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I thought sodomy was illegal.

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122dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

hvacguy: I did some research about that topic. It says that many states have overturned that law. It now provides homosexuals the right to privacy in the bedroom.

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123Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

s_black:

So I have hit 300? Thanks for keeping track. So now I'm a stalker for responding to posts here at The Vindy?

Now what would you say about one of your supporters:
" By jpagani (Anonymous) on 12/12/08
no I don't threaten just anyone. "

By jpagani (Anonymous) on 12/12/08
"Because if I had and known who you were I am not so sure my weapon wouldn't have malfunctioned and fired off a shot"

So jpagani has no serious obsessive personality disorder? I'll try to work on my compulsion in responding to posts at The Vindy.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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124clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

You know, you guys, pardon the usage, should be glad Tomcat is out there somewhere protecting your butts, Pardon again,if we lived in a foreign country as Iraq, you wouldn't even have a gay toy left to use.Thank a soldier for your freedom to do and say what your choice is.

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125leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Clayor, I am very happy to have our soldiers out there fighting for my country's freedom's and liberty's, but please don't confuse those freedoms from the soldiers command who discriminate about serving as an openly gay person. The armed services have kicked out much needed translators of the islamic languages because of "dont ask, dont tell."

But realize that even though we are discriminated against in our military and country we still support it. If you read our blog about our open house and holiday party, you will notice that we had 2 presentations from a proud lesbian member whose son is serving in Iraq and she made a point of buying dozens of christmas cards and getting dozens of local servicemen and womens adsresses, and our community took her heart felt wish to heart to send these fine soldiers holiday cheer and safe wishes.

If half the john q public was as compassionate to our community as we are to our heroic servicemen and women, it would be an improvement.

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126George412(161 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

It still escapes me how someone who is supposedly serving in Iraq has both the time and internet access to make roughly 100 vindy.com posts.

leftofst8, you are absolutely right to point out that the son of our friends is currently serving in Iraq, and he has a lesbian mother. Talk about a sacrifice. She lives everyday with the knowledge that her son might not make it home, goes long stretches without hearing from him (he doesn't have the internet access that Tomcat does), all for a country that denies her basic civil rights, and yet she, and her partner, proudly display the American flag. I thank him for his service, and I thank his mothers for their sacrifice.

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127midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Ignore Stan and hvacguy...they're both idiots.

I encourage ALL LGBT People living in Ohio to check out
the following site:

www.gaychristian101.com

It has biblical self defense against the likes of people like Stan & havc guy who choose to use the word of God to divide, hate, and pass judgment on other human beings.

(as if he-or anyone else for that matter has a heaven or a hell to put you in)

study the information you find there...print it out and share it with others...the beauty of this is that they are going to tell someone, and they-in turn, will tell someone else- and soon, people like Stan, and hvac guy wont have a leg to stand on. Never again will they be able to use SCRIPTURE to harm anyone ever again.

I repeat- their argument- biblicaly, has been torn to shreds and the only thing that they (Stan) have to stand on is the spiel from the "cult mentality" of Exodus international.

(which, I would like to point out- are under investigation)

Moving on...

When Jesus returns, he isn't going to be going down a checklist of who you slept with. He's going to want to know how many people you told about him, how many people did you reach out to...in love- how many people you invited to church...(not how many people you have judged and condemned based on your LIMITED knowledge of a few scriptures) and every time that you do that, the bible says that an angel in heaven is writing it all down. Each time that happens...
It will be another star in your crown... and another room in your PALACE.

"They that wait upon the Lord will renew their strength, they shall mount up wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary...they shall walk and not faint."

May all that you touch prosper an never fall to the ground in the name of Jesus.

Be blessed.
I urge you, LGBT people, to tell others- May you continue to grow in Christ.
Stan...It is my most sincere hope that you begin to know God both in spirit and in truth. I will continue to pray for you and those like you. It is also my hope- that you are doing these things out of ignorance, and not out of hatred...for the sake of your eternal soul...I am truly afraid for you. This is why the Jesus commanded us to PRAY for those who persecute us. Because as you judge others, Stan...so will the King of Kings, the Judge of ALL judges...will judge you. May you see this as an opportunity to walk in your divinity.

May God bless you and keep you.

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128OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

This thread is hilarious! Why the obsession with Christianity? I mean midtown, you're awesome for totally dismantling Stan's lame arguments against homosexuality, but all of you are making a giant assumption: that people care about being Christian. There are gay folks with all kinds of religious views- Jewish, Buddhist, atheist, Catholic, Islamic, etc. Plus, anyone who needs biblical proof that loving someone is good and right will never "get it" anyway so why even fight that battle? It's a distraction.

The center is just a place to support those in this community who need a safe place to go and be themselves. I am an ally and thankful that such a center exists in Youngstown. Good work!

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129leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Well said Ohio Person!!

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130Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

OhioPerson:
What would really be awsome would be your support in person at the gay center. :)

There is no way that you can be gay and a Christian. Islam also has standards which gays do not support. So when you criticize Christianity just look at what Islam would have in store for you.

midtown29:

Quality standards exist for mankind that will really give you a sense of pride. We welcome all to seek Jesus and join the heterosexual community. We offer love with respect. BTW, Jesus approves this message!

Escape the bonds that enslave and humiliate you.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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131dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: you seriously are stuck in a time warp. You can be gay and Christian. I actually know many who are both. You do not have say over that! I also think you fail to realize you are not God, so you have no clue what he thinks. You just go by a book. If people wanted to just go a book, they can also go with science and the big bang theory. Until you see God at he gates of heaven and ask him that question and get an aswer straight from God's mouth, LAY OFF! They are people just like you. They bleed the same, hurt the same, and love God(which ever God they beleive in) the same way you do!!!!!

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132Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:

You can call yourself anything you want. Deviate lifestyles follow satan. Follow Jesus down the path of righteousness. Love with respect is what Christianity and the heterosexual community have to offer. BTW, Jesus approves this message!

Escape the bonds that enslave and humiliate you.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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133midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan, Stan, Stan...this may be hard for you to accept- everyone is not like you. When you use words like "deviate" you ARE passing judgement. Jesus does NOT approve that message. Jesus said, "How can you say to your brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye, and ignore the PLANK that is in your own eye? You must first remove the plank from your own eye to see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye." I pray that you are just misguided, and not doing this to wound anyone intentionally. You have no biblical evidence that anything that you are saying is based in scripture- there are even multiple examples of same sex couple in the bible.

(and I can prove that)

Your choice of words, "humilliate" and "enslave" are powerful. No one here is humilliated or enslaved. actually, Stan, people who live in light and in truth to whomever they are- Gay or Straight, are- in fact, truly FREE.

It is my hope that you find peace. I will continue to pray for you. Walk in your divinity.

gaychristian101.com
refuge from bigots and fundamentalists through study, prayer and careful study of the word of God.

I really mean this in the nicest possible way- but this needs to be said:

Stan- just who gave YOU the authority to set standards for mankind...and you- again- have nothing (scripturaly) to say other than the same old schtick. You have been brainwashed. This is the danger of places like Exodus International and other organizations like them. They take insecure people, who are strugling with their sexual orientation, and societal pressures to fit into a preconcieved "mold" of what is expected...and turn them into well...you. This is the danger of "reparative therapy." You have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the problem with organizations like these.

Shame on you Stan...God is LOVE...and LOVE...is for EVERYBODY.

I call every LGBT person reading this, to visit this site- EVERYONE should know that these bigots are DEAD WRONG. Tell everyone you know. And soon, everyone will be FREE!

gaychristian101.com
-Refuge from those who hate us without cause.

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134clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Thump, thump, thump all you want, God made Adam and Eve,ONLY, if you can show me for sure where He had a relevation and changed His mind, please prove it. I am sure He loves all of us no matter what, but I do Not think this lifestyle was on His agenda. But, you have to answer in the end. That will be your issue, not mine. Not to say that I personally approve or disapprove, I really don't care what you do, that's your business, but you don't or won't have to answer to me. I just think some of you jumped on this radical bandwagon and have no clue why you are there, when you get older you will straighten up and wonder why.

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135dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: I hope you realize that I am hetrosexual, like yourself. I am happily married, and do believe in God. My God is not a hurtful God, and created each human in his own image. I do not follow satan. Never have never will. I have been brought Catholic and have a strong faith. Radical Chrisrian like yourself will NEVER shake my very strong foundation!
clayor: You are right, everyone has to face God in the end. Do you honstly thing God is ok with followers who dislike or hate anyone who has a different life style? Cause come on if that is true, there are alot of people going to burn in fire! Poeple need to worry about themselves, and not what is going on in someone else room. You do realize that "sex" in general is a sin whether it is between a man and woman, 2 men, or 2 woman.

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136Rocco(99 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I'm sick to death of you gay folks saying that we HATE you. YOU have turned me from TOLERANT to INTOLERANT because of your sickening behavior. Act like normal people and keep your gayness in your own home. It's embarrassing that children have to be exposed to some of the behavior I have seen.

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137Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I didn't know. So gays and lesbians are now defining the meaning of morality and Christianity? So the Christianity and morality that was taught to me in my youth is no longer in vogue? Wow! This is a earth shattering change! Being a mere mortal I had to meditate on the matter and confer with Jesus. In an instant a voice said unto me,"if you believe the gays and lesbians on matters pertaining to Christianity and morality you are as dumb as they are". Sorry folks, a higher authority has approved this message!

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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138Tomcat(202 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

jpagani:
"Special message for Tomcat -
If you really are in Iraq, I hope I never met up with you when I was there. Because if I had and known who you were I am not so sure my weapon wouldn't have malfunctioned and fired off a shot. My husband is still currently over there right now. So if you are...let's hope you don't meet up with him. Because that is an Infantryman who believes in tolerance and love. Not spreading lies and hate."

So you threaten those who don't share your views with death by gunfire?

WOW, amazing what goes on when you arn't watching your 6 - you are one deranged broad Jpag.

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139dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

What Stan, you call yourself a Christian, but did know that sex is considered a sin? A child is born with sin, that is why they get baptized,christened, or have a dedication. Jesus is the only child to be born without sin cause his mother, Mary, was a virgin. I figured you the Bible quoter would have actually know that one! Now you are hearing voices? I think you went off the deep end!

As for threatening people on here. There is no need for that! People are entitled to their opinion. I think some people are just sick of Stan pushing religion and Bible down their throats. They don't want his particular religious views on here because they are a bit radical. This artical has nothing at all to do with religion anyways. It is about a building opening up to give people a place to feel accepted or a part of something. We here in America are told we are entitled to equal rights. Why do you think you can choose who get the rights and who does not?

Rocco: I think that many people just not gay people show sicking behavior in public. So maybe everyone just needs to keep in their bedroom. Why make it just for gay people? I don't want my children seeing anyone act that way in public!

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140Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:
"I think you went off the deep end!"

I believe you are in a free fall in the gay and lesbian revolution! So you consider gay sex sanctified and only heterosexial sex in sin? My heterosexial views are radical?You sure do have exotic fascinations!

BTW, propagation of the species has top priority and is not equal to perverted lifstyles. If the gays want to be equal to heterosexual couples the solution is any easy one. Try it the heterosexual way.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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141cityguy(109 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Okay this post is really becoming useless--it's not as if Stan is going to change his mind, nor anyone else's for that matter. But, ah I can't resist..."Propagation of the species has top priority"? What the heck does that mean? Priority with who? What about married couples who can't or don't want kids? As for Rocco, how do "normal" people act? Cause I've seen some pretty appalling behavior from all types. And think about substituting any other group into that sentence,
"Act like normal people and keep your (Jewishness, Blackness, Italianess, gayness)in your own home," and it sounds kind of ugly doesn't it?

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142midtown29(20 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Wow. It amazes me, that after you argument- from a theological standpoint has been COMPLETELY ripped apart, you now have heard directly from Jesus himself- to confirm your hatred. You really will say just about anything, Stan. I will continue to pray for you. It is my hope that you truly do find peace.

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143leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

This thread is getting out of hand, it seems that all of us commenting are the same people, and there is no point giving Stan, Rocco, Clayor, et al, more ink, (or pixels i guess,) to spew their prejudicial and homophobic views. I will ask the Vindy to delete the thread.

Senior Citizens such as Stan with will never be able to understand that the world is changing around them, and intolerance is out. Acceptance is the new black Stan, you don't have to agree with it, or even accept it. luckily the world doesn't need you to change. There is hope for Rocco, but he has just seen the bad side of homosexuality, and has forgotten about the good. Just as there are good and bad sides to heterosexuality, and I get sick of seeing that as well. Luckily Brittany' 3 day marriages, and wide stances in public restrooms are becoming less and less.

Thanx for all of our str8 allies who have posted on this site, if Vindy doesnt remove the string, I hope you will do as I do and just not come back to this string and ignore the negative. I look to chatting with you all again. Please come visit us at the Center. Support downtown Youngstown, support President-Elect Obama, and support your GLBT friends and allies in making the Mahoning Valley a safe place to be out and proud.

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144clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Left, I said I really don't care what you do or practice, but this biblical stuff is getting out of hand..I have still yet to see proof that gay is okay as far as God is concerned. The world is NOT changing, even if you think so, remember this, the more things change the more they stay the same. That is a profound quote, not mine, but very true. You will see, eventually.

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145dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: Do you actually read what I post? I said in the post before the last one that sex is a sin whether it is between a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 woman. Start reading the whole post, no just the parts you want to.

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146Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8:

"This thread is getting out of hand, it seems that all of us commenting are the same people, and there is no point giving Stan, Rocco, Clayor, et al, more ink, (or pixels i guess,) to spew their prejudicial and homophobic views. I will ask the Vindy to delete the thread."

Your agenda is the promotion of homosexuality. I only expose your goals and provide a way out for those enslaved by homosexuality. Your views are anti heterosexual and anti Christian. A supporter of homosexuality ( jpagani ) also threatened to use a firearm. We have all seen your so called good side of homosexuality and it isn't good. Just how bad is the bad side?

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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1477053baik(1 comment)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: Do you actually read what I post? I said in the post before the last one that sex is a sin whether it is between a man and a woman, 2 men or 2 woman. Start reading the whole post, no just the parts you want to.

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148Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:
How many other nics do you have besides 7053baik ? We already covered the heterosexual bit a while back. Did you doze off? God told man to go forth and populate the earth. God would not command man to sin. Now where did God tell man to go forth and practice homosexual sex? Still waiting for your reply. . . . ..

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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149dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan:"I believe you are in a free fall in the gay and lesbian revolution! So you consider gay sex sanctified and only heterosexial sex in sin? My heterosexial views are radical?You sure do have exotic fascinations!"

I was just pointing out I said "sex" is a sin between anyone whether it is man and woman, 2 men, or 2 woman. YOu seemed to have read that wrong, or not at all.

Also what do you say to people who do not choose to populate the Earth or can not do that? I mean they are "going against the Bible". Where did God say do not go and practice honmosexuality? Did God not preach to love each other? Why can you not just except people are different from you?

Jsut so you know I have no clue who 7053baik is. They must have wanted you to actually answer the question I asked you.

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150Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

"Jsut so you know I have no clue who 7053baik is."

So you have no clue? Did you ever have a clue? Your gay lib crowd takes the love one another bit and distorts it to the extreme. The agenda of the gay lib crowd is that nothing sexual is off limits. Care to comment on this?

"God told man to go forth and populate the earth. God would not command man to sin. Now where did God tell man to go forth and practice homosexual sex?"

Yes, this is factual! Now where did God tell man to go forth and practice homosexual sex?

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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151projectgeniene(87 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Here's another vote of support for the Stonewall Center. Having worked closely with or socialized with many members of the GLBT community beginning in my college days at OSU, I'm happy to see that there is a support group in this area. It's been a long time coming that people within that community could be remotely comfortable with coming out in our area. I wish them all the best & want them to know that they do have support regardless of some of the above negative & close minded comments.

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152dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: Get a life and leave people who are happy alone! If you don't like gay people or those who support them, stay off this thread. They do not need to be healed! They do not have a disease! Oh, and by the way I have a huge clue when it comes to life.

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153OhioPerson(76 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan: You say "The agenda of the gay lib crowd is that nothing sexual is off limits."

What sexual lines have GLBT folks crossed that haven't been crossed by hetero folks too? No kind of sex you can come up with can be practiced solely between same sex couples- heterosexual couples have been known to engage in all examples of sex you can come up with, so- what's the big deal?

If you're going to start complaining that they are going to hell for having differing interpretations of the Bible than you, then, well, so what? Why does it bother you so much?

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154JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

"What sexual lines have GLBT folks crossed that haven't been crossed by hetero folks too?" Add priests who molest little kids to that list, too. Don't want to talk about that though do you Stan?

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155Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

I see that perversion has found a niche in Youngstown and is fighting vehemently for their right to expand. Coming out is just a code word for indoctrination. Where will they seek out the new members to swell their ranks? Surely not from closed minded people such as myself but from impressionable youth. Lets hear how loud they object when corrupting the morals of a minor charges are brought about. Society is not ready for and will not tolerate what the activists of these perverted lifestyles have in mind. Yes folks, you have not managed to wipe out all the rules. Morality and Christianity are still very much in vogue. Jesus supports all moral people who approve this message.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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156dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

They is no corrupting anything! These people are born this way! It is not a choice! Do you honestly think people choose to be in a race that is hated? Come on that one is common sense! You are a poor example of a Christian. You need to do some reading other the just the Bible. You should read the following book: "A New Earth Awakening to Your Life's Purpose" by Eckart Tolle. It is an awesome book and may actually teach you someting about yourself that needs to change!

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157Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:
"They is no corrupting anything! These people are born this way!"
So you support the corrupting of a minors morals? Does it excite you to teach them the gay way?

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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158dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

They do not have to teach them anything. It is born in them and as natural as breathing. Did some one have to teach you to breathe? No. Gay children are born to straight parents, so tell me Stan, where did the hetrosexual couple go wrong? They didn't, the children are born gay. I do not support corrupting minors in anyway about anything! Why do you think the center is for teens? It a just a place for the GLBT to meet. It's just like any group of people who met, the Germans at the Saxon Club, the vets at the VFW, the PTA at the school, sororities and fraterities at YSU.

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159Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

dmets:
Tell that to the judge when you get caught with an underage child. Luring children into gay sex or heterosexual sex is a prosecutable crime. Its looks like you and your associates will be getting introduced to our penal system.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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160leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Damn, just when I thought I was out, they drag me back in! (well I did send a note to vindy.com to delete this thread) Let's start with our good buddy Stan again. You are actually beginning to amaze me with your ignorance. But let's hit one thing at a time, shall we. First, show me in any of my posts Stan where I have been anti-heterosexual. Anti-bigotry, yes, but never anti hetero, some of my best friends are hetero, including my mom and dad.

Perversion has found a niche in Youngstown? Seeking new members to expand our ranks? We are going to be brought up on charges for corrupting the morals of a minor?? Really Stan?? You are going from religious zealot to conspiracy theorist and fortune teller. Let's get back to basics Stan, we have no interest in recruiting gays, you are born gay or you are not. The community center is simply a place to feel safe and fellowship. You see, when hetero's such as yourself throw out their 14-16yo teenage sons and daughters because they are gay, they need somewhere they can go to. Do you really think that 14 and younger boys and girls suddenly turn gay from watching Will and Grace?

Now Stan, lets go to my favorite of yours, "God told man to go out and populate the earth." Have you tried actual critical thinking and realized how that statement doesnt help your case much. Let's for sake of argument take that statement as fact the God told Adam and Eve to go populate the earth. Can you tell me where the part is in the bible that says, "but only populate with heterosexual christians." I cant find that part in my bible Stan. In fact, taking the bible literally at it's word, I must assume that Adam was 1/2 Asian and 1/2 white, and Eve was 1/2 black and 1/2 Spanish. I am just a poor white boy Stan, but I would be pretty offended that you are telling me that Adam and Eve made started all the population of the world, but you and the media always picture them as white young yuppies.

And Clayor, you are wrong. The world is changing. You might not be, and the people you choose to associate with, but the world is changing big time. I am a 44yo guy who KNEW I was gay since I can remember. No one recruited me, and I never even met another gay person until I was 18. The world for me being a gay young person and now being a gay adult has grown so much I am amazed. There are no dead ends Stan, only self-imposed ones. I am succesful, and have many great friends, both gay and straight. I don't teach anyone to be gay, and I definitely have ever met anyone who was "turned" gay, or was recruited, or anything else. Those are false statements that are perpetuated by those that hide behind bibles, and are ignorant or afraid. Have you ever had any gay friends or aquaintances, we are not different except in our sexual preference, and that is just a small part of our life. (same way for hetero's if I believe what my married friends say. lol)

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161Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8:

It sure didn't take long to expose your activist agenda. So you are 44 and think its cool to lure 14 and younger boys and girls into your sex club? We will see how far you get testing the age of consent laws in the State of Ohio. Do you provide drugs and or booze at the center also? You by no stretch of the imagination control the wheels of justice.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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162leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan, I have tried to keep this light and honest, and hopefully civil, but comments like your last one are so ignorant, low, and from someone of such low character that you are downright offensive to me and to the human race. You are a bigot, a hatemonger, and a deviant. To suggest that a community center is a "sex club" is slanderous, and probably libel. You have proven that you are mentally unbalanced. Your mind works in a sick and twisted way. Did you read what I wrote? there is no context that says anything you just said, that is all in your imagination and shows what a deviant imagination you have.

How dare you hide yourself in a shroud of religious piusness, when you have such a sick mind. I dare you to tell us what church you belong to. While I expect Stan to be a fake name, if you are so devout and religious, what church is teaching you this nonsense? I am pretty sure you will not be able to give a name of your church because you probably do not go to one, you are a bigoted zealot in your own right and your own mindd. Be ashamed of yourself Stan. You are in need of serious mental help. No Stan I did not say that hetero's need help, YOU DO. I have never met anyone as bigoted in you in my entire 10 years in this city. Do not put words into others mouths. I am sure that Satan is waiting for you with open arms.

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163clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Oh geeze, this is really getting out of hand....ALL of you, get back in your closets.

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164dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Ok Stan you definately crossed the line there! You have no right to say that kind of stuff about me. I am first off a hetrosexual, just like you! You are a completely jack! You should not accuse anyone of of that kind of stuff. That was a low blow and it hurt. You need to go read me comment on the here that say "man gets life sentence for raping 7 year old girl". Then you'll see what I really think of those people. Actually I will post it on here just so you can read it! You are sick, really, really sick!

I think anyone who sexually assaults a child in any way should be locked up for life and never see the light of day or the taste of freedom. They should have a place or two in which these people should be locked up forever! They are sick individuals who will end up getting out and doing it again. This is why the systems fails children. I believe they deserve to rot in jail and then go straight to the fires with devil!

So you don't want people threatening on here. Well you to need to not accuse people of thing they would never do!

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165Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Good morning folks. I see that some are just beside themselves because the the world is not for the gay the revolution. Our legal standards cover everyone. Gays are not excluded. Age of consent laws are here so our children do not get corrupted at an age when their minds are still forming.

leftofstr8:

Now what would you have in mind for my church?

dmets:

Now just how would you threaten me?

Our children are a resource to this Nation. Their minds should be allowed to develop and allow them to live in dignity. They should be allowed to lead productive lives and not to be enslaved by drugs or alcohol. Corruptive influences targeting children should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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166dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

See you pick out things. You do not ever address the real questions. I never said I would. Others have on here. But I did not see any comment on how I feel about people who do assualt a child in any way. You pick out a stupid comment you read wrong!!! No apology either!

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167leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan, you have a reading disorder. You need to learn to read in complete sentences and complete paragraphs. I will tell you exactly what I have in mind for your church Stan, a transcript that I have printed from this thread. I would bring it to your pastor, and show him/her how their congregation is representing their church. As I said above Stan, I don't believe you attend a church. You are a deviant person with a mental disorder, a zeaslot with no thought or clue. I love how that is what your selective reading disorder picked up on...asking about your church. Of course you leave the rest of it where I state you are a mentally unbalanced and twisted and waaaaaaay too preoccupied with underage sex. You have proved that you are a mentally unfit person Stan. We are lucky that you are old and just can hope that you are just sick and not a total deviant schizophrenic. Please tell me you never reproduced Stan. Your gene pool is seriously lacking a deep end.

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168Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8:

So you are now ready to set the agenda for churches also? Nothing surprising here. What else do you have on your wish list? Do you think that everyone who isnt into gay sex has a mental disorder?

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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169clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan, cut the crap already, we are sick of seeing your organization posted. We know your agenda, however, even I don't believe that gay life is a dead end street. Gay is what you make it, just keep it to yourself and don't flaunt yourselves like crazies in parades dressed in drag, you will be more respected for your choice if you behave accordingly.

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170Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Well clayor:

This article that these posts are sprouting from promotes a center that is all about the expansion of the gays movement. You dont seem to be sick of that. My link is an alternative. Diversity is good and the gays who tire of their lifestyle deserve an escape route. Is gay a dead end street? You bet. Show me one gay relationship that has resulted in childbirth. Hertosexuality is all about the continuation of the species. The rules of our society cover all with the exclusion of none. Now why do you feel that I should be excluded from promoting heterosexuality while their promotion of homosexuality gets free rein?

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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171leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Clayor, thanx for you unexpected tolerance. The GLBT doesnt expect everyone to agree with our lifestyle, just as we dont agree with some others. I sure don't support polygamy, and other things that are just unacceptable to me, but I do have to tolerate it and love them for who they are, just dont make me have to live it. We are only asking for tolerance and acceptance as we are, another product of God's divine plan, none of us can be arrogant enough to know what that is. I do have to tell you that I can enjoy good drag as entertainment, but I dont really need to see it on the street. That being said, I have to agree with the right to do it and have fun with it, just as clowns have the right to dress up (those guys scare me, lol) and str8 girls in new orleans gets to lift up their tops and let it all hang out for mardi gras, same, same, same.

Stan, you poor old soul, you just will never get it. Your church's agenda is your churches agenda, I am not out to change it, but I would like to know where it stands. If you truly belonged to one that believes as you do, you would be proud to say it. "Here is my church, here is my pastor, I am sure he/she will be glad to talk to you and tell you as I do that you are living a life that is a dead end street." Obviously you know, you are out of the mainstream, and have no church to call home, or you would be yelling it from the rooftops. I would be if my church all believed as I do. You are a bigot, fraud, and mentally incompetent Stan. It's okay, we get it.

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172Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8:

You are out there in the twilight zone and the rules of society dont mean a thing to you. Desecrating a Church would not be off limits to you either. Sarah Palin's Church in Alaska was destroyed by the left who is hateful of the right. Now when you mention a bigot,fraud and mentally incompetant you must have been looking at your own reflection.

Yes, God does have a plan. By seing your profile I am grateful to Jesus that his plan was to have me as I am.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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173lucy(123 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

As a child, I used to live at the bottom of dead end street. It was nice not having to worry about getting run over by cars ;)

Peace and joy to all this holiday season! Here's hoping you are safe and happy. Cheers!

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174leftofstr8(33 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

As usual Stan, selective reading. Do you need a new pair of glasses. Your selective reading is really hysterical. Your rant, and thats all they are really, rants by a lonely old man. See how your mind works Stan....I mention sons and daughters getting kicked out of their homes and you talk about child sex clubs, I talk about asking what your pastor or churches stand is on your mean spirited and hateful comments and you talk about desecrating a church. Selective reading Stan and a twisted mind to interpret what little gets through. A dangerous combination Stan.

Merry Christmas Lucy, and even to Stan, he needs to be Merry, and he needs to put Christ back into christmas. Happy Holidays everyone and be safe. Enjoy a happy and bountiful New Year.

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175Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

leftofstr8:

Excellent vision and perception. When it comes to rants you are an expert at creating then. I couldn't begin to compete with you in the rants department.

Your agenda pertaining to the obsession and corruption of children is evident by your own posting. So your defense is going to be that they were thrown out and you just took them in?

Nothing mean spirited and yes I am a realist. So you think it is mean spirited and hateful of me to withhold the location of my Church from you?

I believe in observing Christ and his teachings the year round. This year you have given me the gift of knowledge pertaining to the decay of morals in our area. So Merry Christmas and thanks for the gift.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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176clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

Stan, think about it, do you think if God was totally intolerant about gays that there would be gays? Do you honestly believe that God is approving of what you are spouting as to be His thoughts? Do you actually believe God founded the organization you keep pushing? He may not approve of either, but you are still there spouting and have not been struck by lightning and neither have those of the gay persuasion, which only leads to one thing. God loves everybody, unconditionally. So, give it a rest.

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177Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

clayor:

I see that you are not telling the gays to give it a rest. I would say that gays are here for comparison . Heterosexuality does come off as being the winner.

Pushing what? I am offering a choice. Shouldn't gays be given a choice of leaving when they tire of the gay life?

Jesus approves of everyone who supports this message.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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178clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

No, Stan, you are pushing your agenda. I am not telling the gays to give it a rest because they are NOT pushing anything, just their honest opinion-you have single-handedly taken it upon yourself to make ridiculous accusations, interject evil thoughts about their agenda and children. It is very clear that the gay community here is not like those in San Fran..making idiots of themselves. You can take your Gay life is a dead end street and your exodus website and shove it and have your first "real" gay experience. You are a disgusting idiot, Mr. Christianity.

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179Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 9 months ago

So Clayor you can never have your fill of anything gay but Christianity repulses you?

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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180clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

No, you repulse me,your narrow-minded agenda, your pushing Christianity to a level it had bever been, in the name of your idiotic website. Guess what Stan, gay or straight is a dead end street, we are ALL gonna end up dead, that's a fact of life. You are not immune. We will all answer, but I really don't think God has your website among His "favorites" on His computer,

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181Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

We are all going to end up dead is no reason to slam the door on living life with dignity. At one time I didn't have life but my mother brought me into this world like her mother and other mothers throughout the ages. Now we are celebrating the birth of Jesus which is a festive occasion. This spring we will celebrate Jesus when he ascended into heaven. We all know that being on this earth was beyond our control but what we do here is within our control.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International shows the way to live life with dignity and the purpose for which we were intended.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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182clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

One final thought, Stan, I do believe you are trying to escape from a lifestyle of which you are or were a part of, but do not approve of..thus the name freedom from homosexuality...I don't think it is something you can escape from, now matter how hard you try. It is what it is..you are a part of it, accept it and carry on, but do it on your own, not under someone else's coattails. Own up, nobody really cares, but you. Merry Christmas.

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183Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

clayor:

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Today on Christmas Eve many will be celebrating the birth of Jesus. The celebration is all about life and birth. When Jesus was upon this earth he was showing us the way. He was of flesh but ascended into heaven of Spirit. This spring we will be celebrating his ascension at Easter. My lifestyle worships these two events. Why would I want to escape? Jesus said,"come unto me as I am the light and the way".

Through Jesus I offer a way to the light for those trapped in the darkness.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International shows the way to live life with dignity and the purpose for which we were intended.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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184clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

Shove it, Stan.

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185Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 8 months ago

clayor:

May the New Year bring you a bountiful supply of wisdom.

Gay life is a dead end street.

Exodus International shows the way to live life with dignity and the purpose for which we were intended.

Exodus International - freedom from homosexuality through the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.exodus-international.org/

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