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Plea deal would bring 4 months in jail for animal cruelty



Published: Thu, December 4, 2008 @ 3:14 p.m.
  Steve Croley

Steve Croley in Youngstown Municipal Court

Steve Croley in Youngstown Municipal Court

YOUNGSTOWN — A plea agreement recommends four months in jail for the man who operated High Caliber K-9, where seven dead and 12 starving dogs were found.

Steve Croley, 38, of Struthers-Coitsville Road, Lowellville pleaded no contest Thursday afternoon in municipal court to four counts of animal cruelty. Two housing violations related to the condition of the High Caliber K-9 property at 1516 Coitsville-Hubbard Road were dismissed.

City Prosecutor Jay Macejko said the plea agreement calls for 30 days in jail on each count; restitution of $1,646 to Animal Charity, a humane agency on South Avenue; and a provision that Croley not own or harbor animals during whatever probation period — one to five years — that may be imposed.

Croley will be sentenced Jan. 22.

Read more in Friday’s Vindicator and Vindy.com


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1animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Not a strong enough penalty. Everyone should write to the judge to enforce the maximum sentence and make sure he does not own animals for 5 years. And he should have to turn in the animals he currently owns.

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2scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I don't have a problem with him not having pets for a long period (ever?). He obviously doesn't have their priorities in mind, but the plea bargain is fair. That IS why they call it a plea bargain-so he doesn't get the maximum sentence. The prosecutor doesn't have a problem with it or he wouldn't have agreed to it.
Lock him up, move on, grieve the loss of the animals if you wish.

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3animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

The prosecutor could care less that IS the problem. Today was going to proceed without anyone knowing, what does that tell you.

I think he should never be allowed to own an animal again, ever. He should get the maximum sentence and then some.

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4dittodots(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I don't think he should be permitted to ever own an animal again.

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5animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I dont think he should be permitted to eat ever again.

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6imissmyBetsy(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

WHAT? 4 MONTHS? OMG CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT KIND OF PAIN THOSE POOR DOGS WERE IN? WHAT A SCUM BAG. 4 MONTHS TIME IS REPULSIVE, HE SHOULD GET EXECUTED VIA STARVATION. WHILE HE IS IN THERE I HOPE THAT THEY DO TO HIM WHAT THEY DID TO DAHMER. HE IS NOT A HUMAN BEING. HE IS A MONSTER. HE IS A COLD BLOODED KILLER. MAY THE WRATH OF GOD STRIKE YOU CROLEY. CREEP.

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7imissmyBetsy(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

YOU AND ME BOTH VOICE! WHILE HE IS STARVING THAT SCUM BAG. I HOPE HE ROTS IT JAIL IF NOT HELL. THE COURT SYSTEM OUT THERE IS PRETTY DISGUSTING AS WELL. I WONDER IF THE JUDGE, PROSECUTOR AND HIS ROTTEN ATTORNEY HAVE CHILDREN OR PETS. YES PEOPLE, OUR PETS ARE OUR CHILDREN.

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8animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

voice and betsy, i couldnt agree more. Those poor dogs suffered so and this "thing" steve cannot even admit what he did and plead guilty although no contest basically admits guilt.

legal-dictonary.com

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9imissmyBetsy(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

OMG LIKE HOW CAN IT EVEN LIVE WITH ITSELF? THEY SHOULD CHAIN IT UP AND COVER IT IN PIGS BLOOD AND LET STARVING DOGS GET THEIR JUSTICE. HE IS GROTESQUE.

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10lacal(1 comment)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

30 days per dog is a farce and a total lack of understanding by the court system in this case. Does anyone think the the owners of these dogs will ever get on with their lives knowing what happened to their pets that were more family members than just "pets"? If this was a tragedy that couldn't be helped than maybe the sentencing would be understandable, but that is not the case. This guy knew what he was doing and didn't care. The fact that after his probationary period he will be allowed to be around someones pet is a very frightening thought.

There was more justice in the Michael Vick case than in this case. I don't feel anyone who suffered a loss at the hands of Croley will feel justice has been done.

I hope that these people get together and sue him in civil court and take everything they can.
Larry Murray
Lynn, MA

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11imissmyBetsy(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

OH, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T KNOW? HOW CAN THAT BE??? WHAT A DEAD BEAT. HE SHOULD BE BEAT DEAD.

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12imissmyBetsy(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

WELL SAID LACAL- I AM FUMING, OUTRAGED AND NAUSEATED. HOW DARE THE JUSTICE SYSTEM ACT IN SUCH A WRECKLESS WAY. IN MY OPINION THAT IS WHY THAT JUDGE IS A JUDGE, MY GUESS IS BECAUSE HE WAS AN UNSUCCESSFUL ATTORNEY. SHAME ON ALL OF THEM. WHAT A DISGRACE OF A SO CALLED HUMAN BEING. HOW DISGUSTING OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. THE PROSECUTOR, JUDGE, AND HIS PUBLIC DEFENDER SHOULD BE STARVED. THEY ARE ALL OBVIOUSLY STARVED OF INTELLIGENCE.

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13animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I thought he was living in a homeless shelter? Who is he living with Struthers-Coitsville Road, Lowellville

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14YSUgrad99(200 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

This guy should be banned for life when working with animals! Simply banning him for the duration of his probation seems short of a proper punishment.

Why is it Michael Vick got such a steep punishment for only bankrolling animal cruelty and this guy gets a few months and probation?

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15scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

YSU that's cuz Vick did the unspeakable and made them fight! (a natural instinct) I believe he was also made a martyr due to his status.
He should never be allowed to work with animals-ever but starve him to death? Are you also in the woods picketing the hunters who are shooting Bambi? What about the slaughter houses, poultry, beef and pig farms,-you protesting there? Those animals suffer as well.
These are animals too afterall, and some keep them as pets. Where is the outcry for them?
Hypocrites!!!

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16JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I like it, Scrooge. I like it. Why not boycott cars over roadkill? The list could end up being very long.

It seems to me with Vick it was proven that he ran a business for the sole purpose of making money from the dogs being killed, in the Yompton case that wasn't proven and since the business had been around for a while without incident wasn't established to have been the case.

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17imissmyBetsy(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Guys, road-kill is far different from this. The dogs were STARVED!! Come on!

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18pamewame(48 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Scrooge...didnt you see Proposition 2 in California...it passed in the election. Study up on the proposition, you will see that there was enough outcry for livestock etc to get it voted on.

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19pamewame(48 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

The prosecutor now is seeking tougher laws on animal cruelty. So what does he do....he pleas this out. The guy could of gotten more time than he will probably get. He could get 90 days on each count but the prosecutor pleas it out so he only gets 30 days...Way to go Mr. Macejko. Thats not wanting tougher laws...he just wants this case to go away. Shame on you!!!!!!!

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20sobeit(98 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

God will get him in the end. It's not a coincidence that Dog spelled backwards is God. He'll go down by the higher power for this.

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21pamewame(48 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Alot of Michael Vicks sentence is from lying to the grand jury. He probably got more time for that than the dog fighting.

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22AtownParent(561 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

That's it, four months, this is just wrong. We need to lobby our local representatives to put stronger laws on the books because obviously those who have been put in the position to prosecute do not care about helpless animals the way they should.

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23JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

"It's not a coincidence that Dog spelled backwards is God."

Wow. What's "norom" spelled backwards?

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24dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

You guys want an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. They don't even do that when it come to a human. You guys are sitting there basically saying off with his head. There are people who have kill multiple human and only get jail time and not death. I think the man should never own an animal again, but starve hiom while in jail? Come on. Even criminals who are serial killers eat three meals a day, and they killed humans.

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25luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Isn't Cleveland in OHIO?

Cleveland man gets 180 days in jail for kicking puppy
by Donna J. Miller/Plain Dealer Reporter
Friday October 31, 2008, 9:13 AM

CLEVELAND -- A 35-year-old Cleveland man was sentenced to 180 days in jail and fined $1,000 for kicking his girlfriend's puppy.

Municipal Judge Charles Patton imposed the maximum sentence for animal cruelty after viewing a video the girlfriend secretly made when she suspected Michael Brooks was abusing the puppy.

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26sobeit(98 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Wow. What's "norom" spelled backwards?

I believe it's Jeff Lebowski!

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27JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Seriously, that hurt.

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28GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Well, well, well, for all of you genius forensic experts that were able tell what those dogs died of from just a picture is it just possible that the Prosecuting Attorney made his decision after seeing the real facts in the case? Is it just possible the dogs didn’t really starve to death like you thought? You all said to look at those pictures real close. Well I did. I saw a puppy with dog food in it’s dish. You told me he wouldn’t eat because he didn’t have water. How do you know? Were you there? There was a dish for water. But I couldn’t see if it had water in it or not. It also seems really strange that dogs who supposedly starved were still producing feces. If a dog stops eating his bowels stop moving. Like right now. When I took my dog to have some surgery she missed just one meal and her bowels didn’t move for 24 hours.

You are all forgetting that these people have ALL the facts in the case the we do not. So stop judging them for their decision. The purpose of a trial is to gather the facts and see what really happened. I don’t think any of you care about the real truth. Maybe the facts are not what you think them to be.

ImissmyBetsy, Your comment that the judge was a failed lawyer. Let’s apply your logic else where. Does that mean that our President elect was a failed lawyer then failed Senator?

Voiceoftheanimals. So you want to run for prosecutor. Could it be that has been your agenda all along?
Could it be you couldn’t care less about the animals this just provides you with an opportunity to start or further your own career?

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29GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

PS JeffLebowski Your awesome.

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30luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Gsd, Well, well, well, then please tell us if he's so innocent and the facts are so different, why wouldn't this man demand a trial? Could it be you are writing this to defend your friend? Good Try!

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31dittodots(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

GSD, Exactly....if he was so innocent then he should have taken his chances and waited for his day in court.

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32dittodots(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Sorry that should have been for luvsdogs, not GSD

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33GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I thought it sounded more like I was defending the Judge, Prosecuting Attorney and Public Defender.
Dogs entrusted to his care died. That is a fact. For that he owes the owners restitution. It appears he is willing to take responsibility for that. Period no argument. But how they died should make a difference in what his sentence should be.If they died of disease he should not get the maximum. That would have been pretty much out of his control. If they were starved to death he should get the maximum. People who make the ruling in cases such as this must rule with cool heads based on facts not emotion. They can not allow their emotions to influence their decisions.

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34animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Restitution to who? The 4 dogs he killed what about the other dogs HE KILLED. Those animals did not die of disease. Stop protecting your friend and open your eyes.

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35GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

How do you know they didn't die of disease?

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36Katie(32 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

First of all, He was charged for 4 alive and well dogs that He owns, secondly, Attorney Hanni knew that He wouldn't get a fair trial. The way everyone is judging Him, I know it is true. No one will listen to the facts.
Ms. Meade is out to get Steve, that is why there was an accidental slip in the paper, OOPS!. Patty You probably shouldn't quote the Prosecutor wrong about the dogs being dead, it could cost You Your job. Now wouldn't that be a shame!!!!!

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37luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

If they were sick or had a disease it was his responsibility to take them to a vet and get them the medical attention they required not just let them lay there without proper care, water, food, shelter, laying in filth left to die. How they died at this point really makes no difference to most of us, they were in his care and they are dead. He did nothing until he got caught and that is a fact.

If an attorney does their job correctly and the truth be told of course he would get a fair trial so why cop a plea?

Enough of this nonsense!

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38GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

luvsdogs,
There are some diseases that can kill a dog in a matter of hours before you even realize they are sick. And there are some diseases that there is no medicine for. The Vet can could only give supportive care and most dogs still don't make it. And the disease is highly contagious and spreads rapidly. There are some diseases that can wipe out an entire kennel in a matter of days.

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39GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

If you really want to help dogs go to this web site and learn more about PETA (People for the ethical treatment of animals). http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ Also do something about getting your local animal charity to become a no kill facility.

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40sobeit(98 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

GSD- Quit defending your friend. If you don't think this guy did anything wrong, you're just as sick in the head as he is.

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41dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

GSD has a right to speak his mind whether he is talking about a friend or someone he does not know at all. I think all of you are expecting the judge to throw a book at him. It is not going to happen! They don't even throw the book at someone who has killed a human!!! You guys need to get on and realize things are not going to change until they change the laws. When it comes to PETA: they are a bunch of radicals! As for diseases without meds. I know my dog was sick. I had blood work done and there was no result saying why she was having seizures. They did put her on medicine, but her body got used to it and the seizures came back with full force. She ended up having two in a day. So please understand there are some cases in which there is no way they can help a dog. I am not defending Steven, nor do I know the guy at all. I am shocked someone could live with dogs in their back yard that are dead. It makes me sick.

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42animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

GSD,
Can you tell me what disease would make a 100 pound rottweiler lose 50 pounds overnight, before steve would notice they were sick?

Or can you tell me what disease would make an animal a corpse and lose its eyeballs over night, or before steve would notice they were sick?

I know your defending your friend, but enough is enough.

Steve, Katie,
And Steve get off it. Your as guilty as they come. Fair trial is bullsh*t. The no fair trial is bullsh*t, your telling me the judge wouldnt give you a fair trial? And I am sure Ms. Meade is out to get you just like everyone else too. Your delusional.

It doesnt matter who's dogs they were, what matters is that YOU starved them to death. YOU SICK FREAK!

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43Katie(32 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Ms. Meade/animallover,
If Steve and I were one in the same, don't You think He think of a better name than Katie? I know that You're out to get Him, or You wouldn't have miss quoted the Prosecutor. The 4 dogs that Steve was charged for were alive and well and owned by Him, also there were no letters sent out to the Owners, or Steve would have them.

I'm not Steve, but We are very, very close and would do anything for each other.

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44Katie(32 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

The name calling is very professional.

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45clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Maybe, Katie, you should get him a few books on how to care for dogs for Christmas, I am sure there are a lot out there. Also attach a box of Milk Bones, so he has something to munch omn while reading.

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46jpagani(7 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Ok I think the ones that are defending Steve are missing one big fact... THE ANIMALS WERE DEAD...and not for a short amount of time either, they were in his backyard dead for a long period of time. Also if he was running a business wasn't it HIS responsibility to notify the owners of the dogs that were dead of that fact? He was negilgent in all of this. He does deserve to be punished and I believe he deserves more than 4 months in prison. If he was a RESPONSIBLE business owner, let alone person, he would have contacted the owners of the dogs immediately upon their demise and disposed of the remains properly instead of letting the corpses rot in his backyard. I think that is the most dispicable part of all of this. He let those poor animals rot in his backyard without doing anything about it. Just let them sit there. So go ahead Katie and others, defend him all you want but in MY OPINION he deserves everything he gets however 4 months is not enough time and neither is 5 years of not owning an animal.

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47clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

JP, obviously you have just jumped on board about this issue, we dog lovers have been beating it to death. You need to start at the beginning......do a search on this you will have a real eye-opener.

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48animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Steve/Katie,

I am sure at this point you are one in the same and are completely delusional at the very least Katie is your alter ego. If you are different people you might as well be the same you both have the IQ of a jellyfish. And dearest Katie please do not leave your child, dog or even a goldfish in the care of this THING.

I assure you that I am not Ms. Meade, it is funny you thought someone else was Meade before. I guess the drugs wore off..

All I know is that those animals were starved to death by none other that THING. Remember THING did this to himself all by his crazy self.

There is NO defense.

GSD, we are still waiting for the name of that "terrible disease" which makes animals die overnight or in a week or turn into rotting corpses or lose over 50 pounds.

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49JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Random observation: Ever seen the film "Misery" with Jimmy Caan and Kathy Bates? When I read some of the posts on this thread I envision Bates' character from the film typing them...particularly the ones with excessive capitalization and terms like "crazy self."

Again, just an observation.

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50animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Jeff go observe somewhere else. Your just as crazy as this THING.

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51animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Animal cruelty is one of the early markers of psychopathic personality disorder (also known as sociopathic personality disorder). Most serial killers and many other violent criminals have a history of animal abuse, with animals often being used as a “rehearsal” for later crimes against people.

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52JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

No, I think I'll continue to express my opinions as is my right (and yours) -- thanks though.

On another thread related to this story someone actually wished death on another poster's family so that person could better understand how it felt to lose a pet (this post was quickly removed by Vindy staff). It has been suggested that a number of cruel and unusual fates befall the defendant, his family, friends and basically anyone else that has ever come in contact with him. If no one else finds those things pretty scary maybe I'm the one with the issue...

What happened here was criminal and the accused will do time. Hopefully the example of his punishment will help prohibit others from committing similar crimes. We get it -- lots of people are outraged but it's time to move on.

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53animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Yes you do have the right you do not have the right to insult me.

We will not just "move on". If it was something you truly loved would you just "move on"? Do you think the owners of these dogs could just "move on"? Moving on would suffice THING perfectly, get the attention off of him. Perhaps you should move on..

Well I did not make those comments about THING and many other people on here did not write that either.

The time he is getting is a joke. He killed/murdered 7 dogs. They lived, breathed, loved and suffered such an excruciating death. There is no excuse and punishment is not enough.

If those were children, he would get the death penalty. Well those were people's "children". So Jeff & Co. - MOVE ON>

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54JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Where in our rights are any of us above insult? If common sense is insulting to you then that's on you...I guess making assertions about another's IQ

"The time he is getting is a joke."

At issue here weren't children, they were animals! There is a clear and basic distinction between people and animals, regardless of this case. There is truly no reasoning with unreasonable people.

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55JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

(Sorry, clicked wrong button and posted unfinished!)

Where in our rights are any of us above insult? If common sense is insulting to you then that's on you...I guess making assertions about another's IQ is not an insult, though.

"The time he is getting is a joke." CLEARLY the defendant and/or his counsel have paid off the judge then, right? CLEARLY the judge was a bad lawyer and that's why he/she is now on the bench(?). These assertions are the talk of crazy people. Seriously.

At issue here WERE NOT children, they were animals! There is a clear and basic distinction between people and animals, regardless of this case. Any parallel between the two is insane; there is truly no reasoning with unreasonable people.

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56AtownParent(561 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

The time he is getting is a joke. I truly believe that animal cruelty laws in this country are ridiculously lenient. Often times pets are like children to some people. You can not discredit that by calling them crazy. People have true emotions for their pets, and consider them members of their family. While I do believe that some posters are taking this thing a little extreme with their attacks on posters who do not agree with them, their basic premise is legitimate. There needs to be stronger animal cruelty laws on the books.

As for disease bringing this, it is possible that a resilient strain of parvo found its way on to the property. With these dogs being outside, they could have contacted it after a heavy rain. But there would be evidence of it, the feces would have blood in it, and there would be vomit. And if these dogs died of disease, then the other ones who Animal Charities took in would also be susceptible and possibly contagious. That was never mentioned. The Animal Charities dogs were starved, making the assumption that the dogs outside were starved as well a pretty logical conclusion.

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57animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

It never came of of my mouth that the judge was paid off or he was a bad lawyer, it is just obvious to us and even the HSUS that judges and prosecutors do not care about animal cruelty, esp in Ohio. What about the last case where the same judge gave a $50 fine for killing her dog. The proof is astounding.

Yes they are animals, that needed food, water, shelter and special care. I do not think they are the same as children, but you Jeff are just a negative person and i can see that by all the posts you have made not only under this discussion.

I consider myself a reasonable person but I find what is going on here absolutely unreasonable. Just today on the louie b show they had someone on from HSUS they even said that this plea deal is not enough of a punishment. They even said that Macejko should have went for all 19 counts.

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58animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

GSD I am still waiting also! along with many many other people. Guess your still searching. Let me give you a hand, give up it does not exist.

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59scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

GGEEZZZ!!! I go away for a couple of days and look what happens! Glad to see Jeff and GSD are the voice of reason in my sted.
Voice and Animal- you both need to take a deep breath and relax. Take your dog for a walk in the woods-maybe dress yourself up in the Christmas spirit. I can thing of 8...no....9 different costumes (if you include the guy with the red nose)I think it do us ALL the world of good.
Fresh crisp wintery air has a way of clearing the mind.
Play nice now kids.

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60scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Oh, and pay no attention to those guys in the orange vests-they're just directing traffic :-)

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61animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Scrooge how is Jeff and GSD the voice of reason? GSD swears there is some mysterious incurable disease (crazy) and Jeff is just a negative person (you can see that by seeing his other posts in other topics).

Those dogs suffered an agonizing death at the hands of THING and justice is deserved to them and for their families.

Jeff, GSD, and Scrooge are probably all THINGS family or friends. We should ignore them and hopefully they go away. Like in another thread, they are called Trolls.

To the rest of us who actually care that animals were starved to their death please keep fighting.

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62JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Never met the man. Also I'm actually very positive...about the fact that there are many mentally imbalanced people posting to this thread (and most others on this site).

I was thinking about going away until I saw Scrooge's post about the orange vests...this can only get more interesting so I'll keep checking in.

Finally, who is Louie B?

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63dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Where are all of you when it come to a human who has been mistreated by another human? I do not see you being this outraged over the young man who was dragged through a drive thru and the down street for a couple blocks. You are hung up on a man who did mistreat animals and was sentenced by a judge. He was given a plea bargin which happens all the time. He pled no contest, and was given 4 months with and 5 years probation without owning any animals. You keep asking people to fight. I just think you are beating a dead horse here. I do feel bad for the owners of these dogs. But on the other hand I do not see how anyone can leave their "family member" for months states away for someone else to train. Learn to train your own animals. We always trained our own dogs, or took them somewhere that had classes for an hour or two, once or twice week. If we went out of town for a week, and took them to a kennel, we had someone check up on our dog. And we were gone for only a week. I think what Steve did was really wrong!, but I also see that he was given a sentence within the guideline of his crime.

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64JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

dmets,

Thank you. I agree literally 100%.

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65animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

dmets, I think it is terrible when people are mistreated but they have harsh penalties for those crimes and people can speak for themselves, animals cannot. If you kill a person it is a felony, if you kill an animal it is a misdemeanor - Ohio is one of the very few states where this law applies and hopefully this case will help that change.

First off the judge did not even accept the plea yet. Second of all it is 1-5 years of not owning an animal. Imagine you can kill 7 dogs and own more in a year, thats a disgrace. Besides who is going to regulate this? Nobody! He should be getting the maximum sentence not a half a** plea deal.

You do not know their situation so unless you do, do not judge. No matter their situation, he was paid to take care of their dog and the others.

Some of us "are hung up and beating a dead horse" because we actually care about the outcome of this case and we care about those dogs. If it bothers you and others so much stop reading and commenting here.

As I said before ignore the trolls and they will go away.

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66scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Animal and Voice, I love your passion for animals but I fear if I did "kiss your a**" I may catch that disease GSD was talking about.

Do you really think your rantings on this post will sway the judge?
Do you think your rantings on this post has swayed even one reader?
Do you have ANYTHING better to do?

get a life, move on, take a walk in the woods.

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67scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Dmets, I forgot to comment;
You are 100% right on. That is exactly what fired me up on this topic in the 1st place. People want to show more compasion when a animal is abused than when it happens to actual humans.
People have rights, animals don't. Sorry,

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68animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Scrooge, first off you should stop insulting the people who care and start insulting the dog killer.

Really nice, make fun of dogs that are dead.

Your so worried, about me getting a life and moving on. Why dont you move along and get a life on a new thread or keep your mouth shut.

I dont care if it sways the judge, i am pretty sure it swayed some readers and dont YOU have anything better to do?!

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69TheLostPatrol(755 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I heard he wore an Atlanta Falcons (#7) shirt to his arraignment.

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70pamewame(48 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Scrooge..your comment "People have rights, animals dont". Well those rights people have is to expect when you pay someone to train and care for you dog, thats exactly what you are suppose to get. Not a dead dog whose ashes are now in a tin. He was hired to do a job and didnt do it...thats fraud.

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71scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Um, the dog killer is going to jail, i think that classifies as an insult.
When did I insult you? Was it the "take a walk" comment? I'm sorry, that was a Joe Biden moment.
Don't recall making fun of dogs either.
I am on several other threads as well so I do have a life. besides, i was gone for a couple days-having a life, yet there you were, everyday, hmmmm

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72clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Ok, quit it already......bottom line, this Steve idiot killed dogs, that's a given...he got a slap on the wrist, that's another given in Y-Town, we do NOT like it and we will continue to complain and protest. We are not speaking for ourselves, we are speaking for the dogs. If you have a problem with that, go somewhere else. And , yes, I also posted about the young man who was dragged thru the drive-thru, that is on another post, he was not a dog, which we are discussing here. Here we are discussing what cruelty humans inflict on defensless animals, on that post,it is concerning what cruelty we inflict on one another, who have a choice in the matter.

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73ohwell(2 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Most of you people are a joke. You want to sit here and complain about ohio's animal laws, well why don't you do something about it help change the laws. As far as this case goes I beleive animal charity(or whoever investigated this) messed up. They are the ones who went onto his property without a warrant. If they would have followed all the laws then he most likely would be facing more punishment. Instead of insulting each other why doesn't everyone try to work together and change the laws. It seems everyone here does care about animals. I really don't think Steve should be hung, dragged, or beaten. He has rights too. From what I have have heard Steve never collected these dogs with the intent of abusing them. Vick did thats why he got what he did. You really can't compare the two.

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74ohwell(2 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Animal Charity’s two humane agents, Kyle Ziegler and Joe Borosky, illegally entered the property on Coitsville-Hubbard Road on Oct. 22, according to City Prosecutor Jay Macejko. And, as it turned out, Borosky was not appointed by the mayor to act as a humane agent in the city. As a result, the original 19 animal cruelty charges against the kennel operator were reduced to four.

If they would have followed the laws then Steve would be looking at more charges why don't you people talk bad about them?

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75dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Hey animallover you do realize he was only charged for four counts of animal cruelty? There are no counts for killing any animal. Yes it is sad he killed dogs, but he is being sentenced for what he was charged for. The judge can not take into consideration any of the other dogs. As for people having a voice for themselves. That is not true when they are dead, just like Andrew who was dragged under a car. So people should be raging the same for that poor young man who died a very terrible death! That is my point. On here you are not going to change any law for animal on vindy.com. You need to get off online and go actually do something instead of whining and complaining on a site they will not even read!

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76animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Like Clayor said "we will continue to complain and protest. We are not speaking for ourselves, we are speaking for the dogs. If you have a problem with that, go somewhere else"

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77scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Sad, really Sad

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78dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Nope i am not going anywhere. You need to go somewhere that has someone who will listen and change the laws. Noone on here will do that for you. Don't hide behind vindy get out there and actually make your voice heard then!

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79animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I am done getting off the topic. The point is the dogs are dead and they were starved to death by Steve Croley. If you dont like what we are discussing too bad. There are plenty of people who read this actually care about animals.

I am not sure what a pre-sentence investigation involves, but the judge ordered one. I still have to wonder what happens to that financial statement. I for one do not want to pay for this man's defense, esp when it is known he has the money.

GSD still waiting for your mysterious disease!

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80dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Well animallover, you don't have a choice. The public must pay for a person's public defender if they can not afford one. And I would really like to know how you know the man has money? Are you his accountant or banker? The other point I have is that Steve may have starved these dogs, but he is not charged for straving all these dogs. He has four counts against him.

Also I am saying on here your voice is not going to heard by someone who can change the laws. You need to go the right people faace to face to voice your opinion to them. Do not hide behind vindy!!!!

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81animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I thought everyone would like to know about
Ohio Humane Lobby Day- in Columbus
2/12/2009 from 9:00 am - 4:00 pm
here is the link
http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/dec/04...

I know I will be there. I will also be at Croley's next court date on January 22, 2009.

During this time people should be supportive of the victims and stop attacking the people who are trying to speak for them. Those dogs were starved to death and left there to rot.

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82animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Sorry here is the correct link:

https://community.hsus.org/humane/eve...

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83GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Goodness I did cause a fuss didn’t I? Well I have a life apart from this blog. We have been busy with many families out there who need special help this time of year. I encourage everyone to leave your computers. Go Christmas shopping. Buy some toys for the Marine’s Toys for Tots. Get some toys for the children at the battered women’s centers. You’ll feel better about yourself and others. Take your dog for a power walk. Voice, since you have all the answers I would have thought by now you would have realized I was talking about Parvovirus. It is a VIRUS. There are no medications that will cure a viral infection. Vets can only give supportive care and are usually unsuccessful. Rottwielers are one of the breeds that are more prone to the disease. Even vaccinated dogs can get it. They can die within 48 to 72 hrs and there are some new strains. Often owners don’t realize their pet has parvo until too late. And I never said it would make a dog loose 50 lbs. Those were your words not mine. But you’ll have some come back I am sure. You are so obsessed with this situation it is becoming increasingly clear that you have a personal axe to grind with him beyond the dogs. You say you are all worried about the cruelty to animals. Yet when I mention the cruelty happening at Animal Charity it falls on deaf ears. When I mention the website petakillsanimals.com showing that in 2007 PETA took in 1,997 dogs; adopted 17; killed 1,815. They have a 90.9% kill rate with a 0.85% adoption rate. Again no one cares. I have been trying to raise peoples awareness to cruelty all around and no one cares. voice you are so filled with hate and venom for one man that you can’t see anything else. (Hatred is like an acid it eats the vessel that contains it.)Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.

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84clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

In defense of Animal Charity, they are a wonderful organization as are Angels For Animals, neither of which are in the business of cruelty. These are all loving, caring people with only the interest of the animals at heart.To slam either is a disgrace. You should be ashamed of yourself.Donate to these organizations for the holidays, Toys For Tots get plenty, these people get very little. Or better yet, GSD, maybe you would like to donate to Steve's defense fund. That should make you proud.

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85GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

So Clayor tell me. How did they put York down if he was too agressive to handle? To me that is cruel. If I call an organization to rescue an animal I want to make sure they have a no kill policy. I want to make sure they have people who know how to rehabilitate aggressive dogs. So you won't buy toys for human children and you condemn those of us who do. Interesting.

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86GSD(22 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

By the way. Since he has a public defender we are all donating to his defense aren't we?
What makes you think we haven't given to Animal Charity? Just because I want to see them change to a No Kill policy doesn't mean I won't still help them. Yes they do a lot of good but it kills me to know that most rescue organization, not just them, put dogs down that can be rehabilitated. I feel this might be a good time to have them rethink some of their policies. I never mentioned Angels for Animals they are a great organization.

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87petlover(7 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

For those of you that think these were just dumb animals worthy of being written off please take a moment to watch this video that was on the MSNBC yesterday.
Makes it all the sadder to realize these poor dogs knew what was going on.
May have to do a copy paste into your browser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liQN05...

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88ads(109 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

First off it is disturbing that so may of you just want to attack each other. Belittling people are getting us no where in this case.
Yes I agree, all of us who feel the cruelty laws are to leninet need to put are work elsewhere, not on this post. Contact the people who CAN get them changed.
I will not address each of you by user name but you will know who you are by my comments.
All living creatures have rights. And animals are NOT just animals, they are living breathing creatures as we all are! We all deserve care, respect and proper treatment. Steve gave them none of these.
If these dogs had PARVO, he would have known long before they died. Under vet care there could have been hope. Yes, I have seen dogs recover from parvo 1st hand. So if Steve was observant in doing his job he would have noticed this and should have contacted a vet, but instead he let them suffer and die. So if it was starving or disease he neglected his job and duties and the animals suffered. And how can he pay restitution, you can not bring back the dead. His sentence is ridiculous, 4 months, probation and no animals for that period. He should never again be able to work with or have animals. And he should be in jail for allot longer! Try to remember the people invlved in this have lost a pet close to their hearts, regarless if theywere there 1 day, 1 month, 1 year and where aggressive or not, they were cared by someone and it hurts to lose those close to you! So since this guy was not respectful to the owners maybe 3 of you on this post should try to!

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89dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Fact: Only charged with four counts of animal cruelty. That is all the courts and judge will look at. Not the 7 dead dog, and all 12 that were starved. Do you understand my point? Also how do you know all the things you listed as finction? Are you the lead investigator? How do we know you are not feeding people a bunch of bull just to fuel the fire?

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90animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Parvo would not make a dog lose 50 pounds or make a dog rot and lose its eyeballs. So your telling me that Steve did not notice the dogs ribs and bones sticking out. Or he didnt notice that the dog was rotting. He didnt notice there was feces everywhere? Give me a break!

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91dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I am not saying Steve did not see anything you listed. I just stated the fact we all do know to be 100% true. Do I think he should be charge with more counts and a stiffer sentence? Yes I do. But all I am saying is the court and judge will only look at the four counts against him, not any of the other dogs that were dead or starved. The people who went there and traspassed on private property really are the ones who dropped the ball. It is not hard to get a warrant. They could have even waited and watched the place til it was obtained.

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92scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

KIDS,KIDS, Let's all play nice here!
Geez, leave for a couple days and things are as heated as ever. dmets, GSD are exactly right with their comments.
Do we need tougher laws? maybe (I personally think no), but does that bring the dogs back? NO.
Prevent this from ever happening again? NO
Does the fact that the property was entered illegally add to the leniency of the plea deal? Absolutly.

Seriously, aren't you all tired of b1tchin about the same old things for weeks now?

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93animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

anyway the judge and court arent the ones that "wont" look at the other charges. It is that idiot Macejko, if you look up ohio animal law, it states any person can go in without a warrant.

All you negative people, if you dont like us complaining, stop looking!!! Simple as that!

For the ones who dont think there should be tougher laws, you do realize Ohio is one of 5 states that do not have animal cruelty as a felony! Probably animal abusers yourselves.

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94DRDAVE1965(80 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

BOY, ANIMAL LOVER....STATING THAT THE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU ARE ANIMAL ABUSERS MAKES YOU SOUND A LITTLE MILITANT.......NOT GOOD IN HELPING YOUR CAUSE.

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95animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I would again like to point out that 45 states in this country have harsh animal cruelty laws, I think it is time for Ohio to join the rest of the country. Aren't we apart of the United States?

THE DOGS ARE DEAD, BY THE HANDS OF ONE MAN. EVERYBODY STOP TWISTING EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID. ATTACK HIM, DON'T ATTACK ME OR ANYONE ELSE WHO IS SPEAKING FOR THE DOGS THAT HAVE LOST THEIR LIFE.

IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THE NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE, THEY ARE NEGATIVE EVERYWHERE THEY POST. IT IS VERY SAD.

GSD - Parvo would not make a dog lose 50 pounds or make a dog rot and lose its eyeballs. So your telling me that Steve did not notice the dogs ribs and bones sticking out. Or he didnt notice that the dog was rotting. He didnt notice there was feces everywhere?

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96dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

aniamllover: i did say the laws do need to be changed. I think it should be a falony. But for now it is not, and even of the laws were changed today nothing could be done to Steve. He has already been charged. I have had either a dog or cat most of my life. I love animals too. This can be the case that helps change the laws. It needs to be brought to the attention of the right people. Our state people, not lawyers, judges, or Macejko. You should also not judge people saying they are probably animal abusers because they do not agree with you. You do not know anyone on here to judge them.

voiceoftheanimals: You did get the facts right. What I am curious about is where you found all you other statements to be fiction. That is all.

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97janna(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Well, for what it's worth, I agree absoluitely wholeheartedly with EVERYTHING Arlia says.
I have been following this discussion. And want to add my voice to those who are speaking out for the animals who can no longer defend themselves.
Has anyone here actually sat and closed their eyes and imagined what it feels like to be hungry and thirsty?
I believe many of you have. But many others, probably have not.
You talk here of giving toys to poor children. Hopefully these same children have never felt exactly what it feels like to have an empty belly and to be so parched that it hurts to open their mouth. The sheer physical pain that goes with the hollowness of the guts and stomach after 1, 2, 3 days, nay WEEKS, of starvation...
I don't wish to be any more graphic than that as this will cut through the heart of those who lost a child in fur at the hands of this excuse for a human being.
But please - just put yourself in the place of those dogs - as someone else said, living breathing feeling creatures. All part of God's creation, as indeed are we.
My hope for the dogs is that they didn't suffer too long. But judging from some of the photos, I believe that at least some of them, suffered agonies.
HOW can anyone who believes themself to be humane, give the excuse that the Rescuers should not have gone straight in there and done what they could to prevent even more suffering??
How can you believe that a Law that allows dogs to die, can be a GOOD Law??

These dogs had a right to food and water and shelter. These are BASIC rights. This "man" denied them those rights, deliberately and knowingly. He was fully aware of what he was doing/not doing. Why are so many of you defending HIM????

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98dittodots(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Ohio is behind the times on almost everything. And yes, the laws need to be changed.

I don't think the dogs died from Parvo. I unfortunately had a dog die from the virus. I purchased a dog from the Humane Society. When I brought Lexi home I knew immediately something was wrong. I had this dog for a total of 6 hours. You know what I did? I took her to the animal hospital to get checked because something didn't seem right. Unfortuntely it was too late. Any responsible person would have acted in the same manner.

What Steve did was shameful. If the dog(s) were sick then Steve should have done something about it. There is no excuse.

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99animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Your right I dont know them to judge them, but apparently they have the right to judge and attack me, others and the families of these dogs. Perhaps I was should not have said that, but I am sick of these people attacking us because we care about the animals. Hey and by the way that was the same person who told me to dress up as a deer and get shot. Remember that..

Voice, you are right the Facts are the Facts. And the pictures do not lie.

GSD- Parvo would not make a dog lose 50 pounds or make a dog rot and lose its eyeballs. So your telling me that Steve did not notice the dogs ribs and bones were sticking out. Or he didnt notice that the dog was rotting. He didnt notice there was feces everywhere?

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100dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Does anyone know who exact to write letters to for getting them to change the laws? I was thinking Tim Ryan, but not 100%. I'm sick of stating the same things over and over on here. I am going to take the first step and write a letter to the person who needs to hear the concerns I have about the law against animal cruelty. So if anyone can think of anyone else. I will wirte to them too!

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101clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

For the record, I never said I wouldn't donate to kids, I said, Toys For Tots gets plenty, donate to an animal cause, they get little, which they do, but of course some of you wouldn't know that because the animals of which we speak are non-entities to you. Janna, very well put.We appreciate your input.I think the point here, as it always has been, it that Steve is a dog killer, plain and simple, and we don't approve of the fact that he basically got away with murder. To some of you it is meaningless, to the rest of us it is murder. We can agree to disagree. Dmets, I don't know if that would be a state law or city law that needs to be changed, start at the top and work down if necessary.

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102pamewame(48 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

dmets...whoever is your state representative for your district is the one you need to contact. There is an online directory for the whole state of Ohio. Just google state rep for ohio. It'll bring it up for you.

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103dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Thank you! I am writing a letter cause it does need to brought to their attention!

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104ads(109 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

It is a state law. You need to start with our local represenatives and move up. I have already done this.
It also stated in one article, Macejko is working with Mayor Williams to encourage the state legislators to change our laws also. Sad, but Ohio is one of the few states that don't consider animal cruelty a felony. But like someone else said, we are behind on allot of things. Hopefully with everyone who is so concerned on this site + pleople they know, the letters should start flocking in. Let's make something good from all this bad! Next we work on getting a ASPCA in our area.

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105ads(109 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Everyone, I just recieved this from the ASPCA, Get on board and let our voices be heard where they should be.

Dear Ohio Animal Advocates,

Currently pending in your state’s senate, Ohio House Bill 418 is important animal welfare legislation that will:
• increase the penalties for certain acts of animal cruelty;
• mandate psychological counseling for juveniles who commit animal cruelty; and
• give Ohio’s courts the power to include pets in protective orders.

Sadly, animals often are used as pawns in domestic disputes. Sixty percent of female victims of domestic violence have had a pet killed by their abuser(s)—and up to 40 percent of battered women delay going to a shelter because they fear what will happen to the pets they must leave behind.

Many states have already passed laws allowing pets to be included in court-issued orders of protection. This is your chance—help Ohio become the next state to take this important step in the fight against domestic violence and animal abuse.

What You Can Do
HB 418 has already passed the Ohio House and now has to pass the Senate to become law. However, this must happen by the end of this month—if the bill doesn’t pass by December 31, it dies.

Please call your Ohio State Senator now!

Visit the ASPCA Advocacy Center to learn more and to find your Ohio state senator’s phone number.

Thank you, Ohio, for joining the fight against domestic violence.

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106dittodots(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Arlia...thanks for the information!

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107scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Couple FACTS for you people out there;
Bill has been in the House floor over a year (8/07).
Crimes would still be varying degrees of Misdemenors.

I'm all for the bill, heck who really wouldn't. the way I read it is no where near the severity you would like but it is truly a first step.

So why hasn't the Senate brought it up for a vote????

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108ads(109 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Baby steps will take us places. We need to get on board with the other 45 states that have harsh animal cruelty laws. One day at a time my friend!
Not sure about why they haven't brought it up.

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109tripodziphany(2 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I have been living in Youngstown for many centuries now and my family has been in Youngstown as far back as any of you could even imagine. Once again, I am sickened and ashamed at our city. Judge Douglass should retire and take his animal hating with him. To think that he will only get 4 months in jail and a $1,000 fine for killing 7 dogs and left 12 others starving...that is sick. Our law need to be changed and this should be the catalyst that changes it.

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110scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Sure, pissem both off so the give him an even more lenient sentence. Go ahead and write.

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111clayor(281 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Who cares if they get pissed off???????????? ..It is their job to uphold the law, maybe the dogs were a bit pissed off when they were starved, assuming they would get fed. They can also be turned into the Ohio Bar Association for not doing their job properly.Then they will have to answer to them, not us.

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112dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

So i did some research and found some info on pet-abuse.com. I found it interesting cause on the website it shows which states animal cruelity is considered a felony and which it is considered a misdemeanor. I found it interesting that Ohio is listed as a state that see animal cruelty as a felony. It say is changed in 2002. It shows maximum jail is a year with fines up to $2,000. So I am now doing more reseach to see if the site is right or wrong.

I also found this on ovdo.com's web. It says Ohio has new animal welfare law. This was signed by Governor Taft. Here is the part that is interesting, and I think would apply to the case with Steve:

Animal cruelty and domestic violence

"Each incarnation of the bill has included increased penalties for animal cruelty with felony penalties for second and subsequent offenses. Each has also included the authority for courts to order counseling for animal owners if appropriate."

"Goodman's bill went much further - it added provisions that require humane agencies and social service agencies to work together if investigations of animal abuse or neglect uncovered evidence of human abuse or neglect or if investigations of domestic violence uncovered evidence of animal abuse or neglect."

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113luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

dmets - i found this on the Humane Society site, there is a map of the USA which states Ohio is 1 of the 5 states that it is a felony when it is a second or more offense.
map: http://www.hsus.org/acf/cruelty/publi...

I also found this on the humane society's site which clearly states the first offense is a class 1 misdemeanor, with a maximum 6 months in jail and $1,000.00 fine:

959.13 Felony only applies to companion animals and on the 2nd offense. First offense is a class 1 misdemeanor, with a maximum 6 months in jail and a $1000 fine.
"Harassing a service dog or police dog” is a felony of the 3rd degree and the offender must pay vet, replacement, and training costs

959.02 No 1st degree misdemeanor $1,000 180 days 1st degree is ordered for “injuring” an animal whose value is
over $300. This applies to the property of another.

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114dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I just figure I would poat that info. They have do something about it, now that just have to make as the first offense not the second.

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115revzeke(4 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

... Let's stop for just a second or two and consider that Prosecutor Macejko could NOT fully prosecute in this case because of the procedural incompetence of the two "animal control" officers involved --- THEY did NOT obtain a legal warrant before breaking and entering the HC-K9 property...
... In the three weeks prior to this case, these two morons were at my door 5 times over a neighbor's complaint that my (4) 5-month old kittens attacked & killed her dog (a raccoon did the deed in question)... On each of these 5 occasions, I asked if they had a search warrant, & demanded that they leave my property, if they weren't going to do things legally... That was 5 reminders in 3 weeks prior to their failure to obtain a warrant for HC-K9...
... I truly want to know why these guys still have jobs --- especially considering that the one had not even been properly appointed to serve in the assigned capacity and was wearing an unauthorized uniform and illegally carrying a firearm (sounds very much like an "impersonating a police officer" charge would have been in order)...
... Animal Charities NEEDS to clean house !
... None of us can expect justice to be served when the authorities involved have NO respect for the system that is in place... BUT, what else should we expect ? This wreaks of old-time Mahoning Valley political corruption and incompetence...
... Keep a big 2X4 near that new broom --- you might have to knock some sense into a few "defective uniforms" if they come to YOUR door...
... Know your rights and demand accountability...
... The Prosecutor & Judge did NOT have much choice this time around !

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116janna(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Revzeke,
Just because they were wrong in the instance you described, doesn't mean that these officers are wrong in EVERY case.
They were duty-bound, I am assuming, to investigate your neighbour's complaint? and this they did.
I am glad that it wasn't your kittens who were at fault and very sorry about her dog.
But it is your neighbour you should be holding to account for this error, not two people who were trying to get to the bottom of a complaint.
I cannot see why this makes them morons?
If you had somebody overnight throw a brick at your car and dent it, and you chose to ask around the neighbours to see if any of them knew or had seen anything, does this make you a moron? Would you expect them to get angry and start telling you that you are wrong to accuse them of throwing that brick??
Of course not! they would (should) see it as simply what it is - trying to find out information and get to the truth.

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117JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Voice-

You write like a 5th grader and appear to have the same amount of common sense as a 5th grader's younger sibling. Very basic common sense will tell you that if a mechanic doesn't fix your car properly it is not the fault of the guy who washed your car beforehand. (See Revzeke's post above.)

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go complain to my neighbor for telling me that it is going to rain tomorrow...that makes the rain his fault, right?

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118animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Enough with the personal insults. Keep on top of the judge and prosecutor..

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119luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

dmets ty for the info and post - yes they have to change the laws and we have to keep the pressure up. I've written many letters, encouraged my co-workers to do the same, with every hope that Ohio animal laws will be changed and bring Ohio into the 21st century. The more I dig the more I see how backwards we truly are. I do wish Vindy would have kept this on the main page so more people would see it, this morning I had to search to find this article on the vindy.com site. We need to keep this front and center people, keep the pressure up or nothing will change and these monsters will keep getting away with a smack on the hand and there is no doubt they will do it again and again. How many more poor animals must suffer before cruelty to animals is considered by Ohio a serious crime with serious punishment? We must STOP Animal Cruelty and STOP letting monsters like Croley get away with this.

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120janna(11 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

dmets, I hope so much that the site you found is correct...and if so, what is going wrong that this case is being treated as a misdemeanor and NOT a felony?
I still think this sounds like some kind of cover-up. It is being swept right under the carpet but THIS IS NOT RIGHT.
We are not JUST discussing animals here.
We are also dealing with fraudulent issues (the misappropriation of people's money and the failure to render a service that was being offered and for which payment was taken).
And we are also dealing with extreme distress caused to members of the public as a result of this fraud.
Even to those who seem to not care about the dogs, because "they are just dogs", surely the human element of this cannot be glossed over??

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121animallover(86 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

I have looked into this quite a bit and Ohio treats animal cruelty as a misdemeanor. This is such a disgrace. Those poor dogs, and what a wonderful holiday season for the families huh! Guess nobody cares about them.

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122ads(109 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

That's why every on this board needs to write letters to the people who can change Ohio's laws. It is evident many people care about the families and animals involved. Look at the petition site, they are almost at 2000 signatures and this board proves there are caring people out there.

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123luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 5 years, 7 months ago

Thinking and praying for all the animals that suffered so and their owners on this Christmas Eve. God Bless.

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124janna(11 comments)posted 5 years, 6 months ago

I thought of all these poor families all through Christmas. I had a lovely Christmas with my dog but there are several out there who didn't have this privilege, because it was taken away from them, suddenly, unexpectedly, horrifically.

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125ads(109 comments)posted 5 years, 6 months ago

Not that it will ease their pain but there are many animals in shelters waiting for great homes maybe adopting one can ease some of their heartache.
Saving one animal will not change the world but surly for that one animal the world will change forever!!

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126luvsdogs(70 comments)posted 5 years, 6 months ago

Arlia can you find out if HB418 passed? I remember you stated it had to be done by Dec. 31, 2008. Please let us know. Thank you.

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127ads(109 comments)posted 5 years, 6 months ago

when I pull up HB418 on line I am getting different agenda's, so I am not sure if it did or not. I'll try and do some research.

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128ads(109 comments)posted 5 years, 6 months ago

the aspca web site says it passed.

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129janna(11 comments)posted 5 years, 6 months ago

Does anyone know exactly what the court hearing on Thursday involves??
Is it just sentencing, or will there be another hearing in full?

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