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Boardman residents to canvas for city status



Published: Fri, August 1, 2008 @ 12:06 a.m.

By Denise Dick

The plan stemmed from Youngstown’s proposal for a Joint Economic Development District.

BOARDMAN — Over the next several weeks, residents may be getting knocks at their doors from fellow residents interested in the township’s becoming a city.

John Howley, a township resident, said that he and a handful of others plan to collect the signatures — at least 2,500 — on petitions from township residents who are registered voters by going door-to-door.

The petitions say that the signers want township trustees to begin the process of becoming a city. The petitions will be presented to trustees, he said.

“I think that all of the trustees, if they see the signatures and know that people are really interested in this, they’ll do the right thing,” Howley said.

Trustee Kathy Miller said she believes incorporation is something that must be pursued.

“I think we should have started working on this already,” she said.

Becoming a city would make Boardman eligible for state and federal grants not available to townships, Miller said.

Howley said his group is in the early stages of organizing, and it’s born out of Youngstown’s proposal for a Joint Economic Development District with the township.

The city’s proposal calls for the city to charge a 2 percent income tax on those who work in the portions of Boardman and Austintown that receive Youngstown water. That’s about half of Boardman and almost all of Austintown.

The townships could place their own 0.25-percent income tax on those same people.

In exchange, the city would reduce its income tax from 2.75 percent to 2.25 percent, a move that would put more money in the pockets of those who work in the city, including those living in the two townships.

Also, Youngstown would reduce the surcharge on its water customers in the two townships from 40 percent to 20 percent.

Although Mayor Jay Williams has said that annexation of the two townships is not his goal, that remains a fear of some.

“In no way do we want to be annexed to Youngstown, and we don’t want to be part of a JEDD,” Howley said.

If township residents are going to pay an income tax — a result of annexation or a JEDD — Howley believes it would be preferable for that money to go to Boardman as a new city.

“The city isn’t coming back, I don’t believe, and they’re trying to bring in money on the backs of the residents of Austintown and Boardman,” Howley said.

He acknowledged the additional expenses of more road maintenance and additional elected representatives associated with incorporation but said he doesn’t believe those costs would be prohibitive.

“People say that we’d have to pay a mayor, but we’d be paying a mayor anyway” if annexation or a JEDD becomes a reality, Howley said.

Last October, trustees received a proposal to study the steps required for incorporation.

The proposal was prepared by Kent State University’s Center for Public Administration and Public Policy at township Administrator Jason Loree’s request. KSU had said it would charge $19,410 for the study.

Trustees took no action on the proposal.


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1Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

Boardman residents, many tax-o-phobic, loath to load themselves with new costs. Incorporation still means a tax increase. The steps required for incorporation is a mind-boggling process of red tape and deadlines and the township administration knows this.

It would be easier if the JEDD and annexation talk would just disappear and let the proposed levy take its course.

IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT - "Any attempt to improve on a system that already works is pointless and may even be detrimental."

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2YO_Pride(1 comment)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

This is hilarious! Austintown and Boardman residents want to become a city to terminate any affiliation with city of Youngstown-- and we all know the REAL reason why. -- What a day in hell it would be (to them) if the high-class residents in these townships stood side-by-side with the mid-to-lower class residents of Youngstown. I'm confident in my belief that if Mayor Williams proposed a plan to bring more money into Boardman and Austintown (as if they don't already get the bulk of the money that comes into the city anyway), the residents there would have no complaints. These townships have been in place longer than Jay Williams' seat in the mayor's office and now that he wants to hold them accountable, for only claiming their affiliation/connection to the city of Youngstown when it's favorable for them, they want to rise up. The residents there NEED to pay for the water they use from the city of Youngstown, they USE IT!!! It's a shame that Mayor Williams has to basically threaten them to spark some action from them and what a shame that even their actions are negative in regards to the city they are connected to, whether they wish to be or not. They want to bond together and fight to become a city instead of pulling together to unite the city that is already established. What a joke! I stand behind Mayor Williams' plan and hope that the efforts of the Austintown and Boardman residents results in a "slap in the face" to them. "Bring in money on the backs of the residents of Austintown and Boardman"-- since when did the money delegated for the city of Youngstown come out of the pockets of Boardman and Austintown residents? Don't we all (including the residents of the city of Youngstown) pay taxes? This article should be in the Saturday comics!

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3Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

Young _____, moved to Youngstown and bought a pit bull from a neighbor for $100.00. The neighbor agreed to deliver the pit bull the next day. The next day he drove up and said, 'Sorry son, but I have some bad news, the pit bull died.'

_____ replied, 'Well, then just give me my money back.'

The neighbor said, 'Can't do that. I went and spent it already.'

_____ said, 'Ok, then, just bring me the dead pit bull.'

The neighbor asked, 'What ya gonna do with him?

_____ said, 'I'm going to raffle him off.'

The neighbor said, 'You can't raffle off a dead pit bull!'

_____ said, 'Sure I can Watch me. I just won't tell anybody he's dead.'

A month later, the neighbor met up with _____ and asked, 'What happened with that dead pit bull?'

_____ said, 'I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two dollars a piece and made a profit of $898.00.'

The neigbor asked, 'Didn't anyone complain?'

_____ said, 'Just the guy who won. So I gave him his two dollars back.'

_____ grew up and works for the government.

Pretty much sums it up.

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4apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

I don't understand Yo_Prides post. We township residents ALREADY pay for the water. In fact we subsidize the water for city residents through a surcharge that is basically highway robbery. Now the city (Williams) wants even more from the suburbs. He wants us to subsidize the income taxes that are choking off any possible development in Youngstown. More robbing the wealthier to give to the poor. What he'll wind up doing is dragging Boardman and Austintown down with a sinking ship.

Youngstown, get your own house in order without stealing from the suburbs.

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5NachoCheese(163 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

It's ABOUT TIME someone gets moving on this. The point is people are going to pay one way or another - why not pay to YOUR city under YOUR control instead of paying the blackmailing failing city? Boardman can become a city and then have certain choices about how they want to proceed from there - additional costs? perhaps (and probably) - have you ever heard the saying nothing ventured, nothing gained? Boardman pays for police now, will pay for police later, fire now, fire later, roads now, roads later, parks now, parks later ... the obvious difference? Currently there are trustees (3) and some township officials ... as a city, there could be a mayor or a city manager and some council members (REPLACING the current system of trustees, administrators, etc.) so MUCH of the cost of being a city is ALREADY being borne by the residents of the township - what would change is HOW this expense is collected, distributed, and the titles of some of the positions. Additional expenses? probably so - additional benefits - YOU BET! Freedom from blackmail of the cancerous neighbor at the borders? PRICELESS!!!

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6Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

NachoCheese wrote: 'It's ABOUT TIME someone gets moving on this. The point is people are going to pay one way or another...'

You mean SOME people are going to pay one way or another. Let us not forget about the tax dodgers. The tax burden lays upon the shoulders of honest citizens anf if they work in the city they get to dodge potholes along the way. Change is not always the answer.

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7NoBS(1940 comments)posted 6 years, 2 months ago

The suburbs should have become cities 20 years ago. This is long past due. Townships can only collect property taxes, while cities have many other avenues open to them. A sales tax, for example, would allow those who don't live in the township, but who do use the services - police, fire, etc. - to help pay for those services.

Cities can apply for grants and other money, too.

If I'm going to be forced to pay city taxes, I'd much rather keep those taxes right here, where we have some say over how they're spent.

I see the Mahoning Valley Sanitary District has reformed itself into Meander Water. So you suppose they see the writing on the wall, and are doing this so as to attract some new blood to its "Member Cities"?? What would Jay do if the cities of Austintown and Boardman because member cities of Meander Water, and bought their water direct? That would be Youngstown's demise.

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8cityguy(109 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I think, though I'm not certain, that it's not as easy as just saying okay we are a city now--state guidelines prohibit incorporation of back-to-back cities--so, the areas that are the proposed JEDD zones would not be allowed to be part of the new city anyway. I may be wrong on this but the small amount of reserach I've done seems to point in this direction.

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9NoBS(1940 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Cityguy, just look to our northwest, at Cleveland and its surrounding areas. They're all cities, back to back and up against each other.

If they can do it, we can do it.

Yes, I know there are a bunch of political hoops to jump through, but the benefits far outweigh the costs.

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10cityguy(109 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

You mena like Mayfield Heights, etc.? Didn't realize they were cities but I think you are right.

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11tookie(64 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Incorpation will be very expensive for Boardman and mean higher taxes for Boardman residents. Why not look at ways for Boardman and Youngstown to work together for the good of both communities. It's called collaboration. Akron has done it successfully with its suburbs. The Akron area is prospering. The townships there have benfited from JEDDS and are actually asking the city for other ways to collaborate. Boardman and Austintown should be looking for the best deals for economic development in working with the city. There's a saying, "A rising tide lifts all boats." Let's get with it and start working together rather than the same old "us vs. them," which is preventing progress in this area.

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12YoungstownMom(46 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I say let Boardman become a city, maybe then we can stop hearing them complain how bad Youngstown is. By the way, become a city and pay for your own water. Leave Youngstown's water alone.

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13NoBS(1940 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

tookie, if what Youngstown was proposing in the way of a JEDD was at all reasonable, people would be looking at it. But the only reason people are calling it a JEDD is because that's what Jay called it to begin with. I'd call it "extortion" if I'd gotten to name it.

One more time, Akron gave the majority of the tax money to the unincorporated area that had the undeveloped land the city wanted to develop. What part of that resembles what Jay wants to do? What's "joint economic development" about simply wanting to levy a new city tax on people who don't work in the city, and therefore would get ZERO benefit from their new tax burden?

YoungstownMom, thanks, we will get our own water. Since the MVSD has reinvented itself and is looking to sell more water, it must be looking for new "member cities." The city of Boardman will be happy to become a member city. Oh, that 40% water surcharge that is all that's keeping Youngstown going? Wave bye-bye to that. Hope you like the going-out-of-business sale the city will have.

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14cityguy(109 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

And where do you suppose all of those Ytown folks you are so desperate to avoid will go? You guessed it, Boardman. Notice today's news-- the Forbes list of "dying cities" Youngstown is defined as Youngstown-Boardman-metro area. Also, the "city" of Boardman can't just go ahead and join the new water district because Youngstown owns the water lines--I agree that William's JEDD as proposed was a bad idea but if the two areas do not cooperate don't be fooled into thinking the Youngstown you all fear will not spillover into Boardman--just look at home prices in N. Boardman now and with the foreclosure bleeding still not coming to an end, prices will fall further--that means investors, rentals, etc.

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15NoBS(1940 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, cityguy, that's because Youngstown is dragging all of us in the surrounding suburbs down with it. And yes, the city of Boardman could just go ahead and join the Meander Water Company's member cities. Youngstown in a year or two will be so desperate for money that they'll sell those precious water lines for a penny a foot, or maybe even less. Youngstown may not even own the lines - did you notice how Mayor Jay tried that line on Liberty Township Administrator (and former Youngstown Mayor) Pat Ungaro, who told political neophyte Jay Williams to stick his claims - the city does NOT own the Liberty water lines. Same thing might happen here in the 'burbs, once push comes to shove. And tell me, smart guy, who owns the water tower on Afton Ave. that all the lines Youngstown claims to own? Uh, that would be Mahoning County. NOT the city of Youngstown. How'd THAT happen?!?! Maybe Youngstown doesn't own those water lines after all, if they don't own the water tanks the lines are attached to!

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16NoBS(1940 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Hey, Ed-ja-ma-cation Voter,

If Boardman does get off its collective butt and become a city, we won't be saddled with the same incompetents we have now in leadership roles. That's why they're dragging their feet - it's the end of their power trip.

Meander Water, as delivered through Youngstown's (claimed) pipes for a mere 40% more than our neighbors to the north pay for the same water out of the same pipes, is an asset, to be sure. But if the City of Boardman applied to and became a member of the Member Cities of Meander Water, we could all save ourselves a large piece of money every quarter, and still get the same water.

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17cooks50(20 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Hey NoBS.

If you hate the city so bad and think that its a separate entity, then stop posting on a newspaper website based in the city and post on a boardman newspaper site...oh I forgot there isnt one. The mindset of the people on here drives me crazy. The JEDD isnt about the city vs the suburbs, its the opposite. Its a joint effort to create a better economy. But you idiots on here fail to see that.

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18kblair1055(42 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

City or township, you will still get the pleasure of dealing with the southside or your "northside" crime that is spreading into your "city." Welcome to the real world City of Boardman!

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19apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

That's funny, I keep hearing that the crime is spreading into Boardman and yet the stats don't indicate that to be true. Boardman hasn't had a murder for years, has almost no violent crime and is still a "nice place to call home".

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20metz87(884 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

With 40,0000 people Boardman has almsot half the population of Youngstown and there are cities with a lot less people then that. They are the silly ones.

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21kblair1055(42 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

"That's funny, I keep hearing that the crime is spreading into Boardman and yet the stats don't indicate that to be true. Boardman hasn't had a murder for years, has almost no violent crime and is still a "nice place to call home"."

You missed the point. No matter how far you burry your heads in the sand you will be right next to Youngstown and will still have to deal with the crime issues. Robberies in north boardman, thefts. Shall I remind you of not too far in the recent past where a gentelman named Waldron attempted to rob the Walgreens on Midlothian at gunpoint and was shot and killed by YPB and BPD. Thank God for the PO-PO!

Until we address crime and economic issues with a collective effort, this place will continue to go down hill, to include Boardman. The costs of running government will continue to rise and will be inefficient. Keep lying to yourselves. The cancer in Youngstown is spreading to your “nice place to call home”

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22kblair1055(42 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

He must be canvasing the area!!!! HA!

BOARDMAN — A delivery driver encountered a man who was out on a late-night stroll without his clothes.

A woman told police she was loading her delivery truck about 11 p.m. Wednesday at Krispy Kreme, Boardman-Poland Road, when she saw a naked man. At first, she thought the man, who was near a tree, was merely shirtless, but when he moved from the tree, the woman realized the man wasn’t wearing pants either.

She called her boss and told police that when the man heard her say into the phone that there was a naked man, the man took off running, the police report said.

Police searched the area but didn’t find the man.

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23kblair1055(42 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

A nice place to call home!

BOARDMAN The owner of a South Avenue car lot reported the theft of nine catalytic converters from vehicles on the sales lot.

The owner of Affordable Cars 4 U reported that thefts occurred between Aug. 2 and Wednesday. The estimated value of what was taken is $1,400.

Several thefts of catalytic converters have been reported in Youngstown over the last few weeks.

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24apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

Oh my God, stolen catalytic converters in Boardman! We need to hire 500 new cops. 2 purses stolen at the Walmart on South Ave, that's 200 more officers needed. A perp tried to rob the Walgreens store on the Youngstown Boardman border and was dropped by the best of the best from YPD and BPD. Give them all a 4% raise and take home cars.

So Youngstowns crime is going to bleed into Boardman and Austintown! It happens everywhere folks. Cleveland crime bleeds into Beachwood and all the other suburbs.

The answer is NOT to extract more tax dollars. That keeps business and jobs away and causes blight and crime to increase. The answer is NOT for Youngstown to rape the suburbs of JEDD dollars to fund an inefficient, bloated, and overpaid public sector Youngstown. The answer is NOT for Boardman to be forced into becoming a city through JEDD threats from a mayor who has been a major disappointment.

Cooperation you say? Sure, let's cooperate. JEDDS for NEW development makes sense. Streamlining local governments through sharing of services makes sense.

But, alas, there is too much infighting and protectionism of fiefdoms for that to happen, especially here in the valley.

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25cityguy(109 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

I agree--the Brookings Institute has labeled this area the worst for regional cooperation and also the most in need of regional cooperation--you hit it right on the head here--the trustees, council, etc., are all just trying to protect their power and their pockets--let's try just dissolving Youngstown all together and see what happens! I moved to the three years ago--I believed in it and its new mayor--now I'm trying my best to move out. Tired of the trash, the blight, the Canfield landlord that has effectively ruined my street, and the response from the city when neighbors complain that they've seen worse! I'm throwing in the towel, and hopefully, with any luck, I'll be changing my screen name.

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26NoBS(1940 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

cityguy, come on out to Boardman! You won't hear gunfire any more, and you can sleep with your windows open and still have all your stuff when you wake up.

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27NachoCheese(163 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

cityguy - the Ohio revised code does allow back to back cities as you say IF they meet certain other criteria that have to do with population quantity, population density, per capita income, etc. - Boardman and Austintown both qualify, so the archaic three-mile limit that prevents other townships from exercising this right would not apply to Boardman and Austintown.

noBS - the cities in Cuyahoga County (and other areas) exercised their right to become a city before the three-mile limitaiton was put into law.

personally I think the three-mile limit should be scrapped. What kind of law is it that gives your neighbors say-so over what you can and can't do if you otherwise qualify and follow the law?

Boardman should incorporate NOW - control your own desitny. NO JEDDS!

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28MCIGUY37(9 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

As Boardman becomes a city, we will put boarders up all the way around our city and EVERYONE will have to go through a security checkpoint at all boarders to enter. If you're address is Youngstown (proper) you won't be allowed in. This will stop the "bleeding" of crime into our "nice place to call home".

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29MCIGUY37(9 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

AND VOTE NO FOR WRTA!!!!!!!!!!

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30metz87(884 comments)posted 6 years, 1 month ago

WOw,jsut like the Berlin Wall? even I have to amdit that is extreme.

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